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Bull F*cking Sh*t

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Posted by: Witmaster

So I fill out the online regestration the below listed link. I was going to purchase the ebook. Like an idiot, I assume, hey, it's an Ironmag sponsor. I can trust it.



Well today I find dozens of spam emails from Supplement companies I've never heard of in my email. Bull Fucking Shit. I should have known better.



Posted by: lnvanry

not to sound like a prick bro, but how did you not expect that? Anytime you give any source your email, expect a few spams in the inbox. Thats why gmail is so nice...it filters the shit for you



Posted by: DaMayor

You should've bought Lyle's book.









Posted by: Prince

Quote:
Originally Posted by Witmaster View Post
So I fill out the online regestration the below listed link. I was going to purchase the ebook. Like an idiot, I assume, hey, it's an Ironmag sponsor. I can trust it.

Well today I find dozens of spam emails from Supplement companies I've never heard of in my email. Bull Fucking Shit. I should have known better.
Tom Venuto is 100% against spam, so I find this EXTREMELY difficult to believe, not calling you a liar, but I would have to say Burn the Fat was not the source of your spam. I have been working with Tom for the past 5 years and that is not how he operates.

I plan to test this myself by creating a new email account and signing up for the e-course today, I will report back tomorrow in this thread.

I also plan on emailing Tom personally and passing this info on to him and I will report back his response.



Posted by: Prince

Quote:
Originally Posted by DaMayor View Post
You should've bought Lyle's book.

he did not buy the BFFM ebook, he said that he signed up for the free 12 part e course that I have links for.



Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince View Post
Tom Venuto is 100% against spam, so I find this EXTREMELY difficult to believe, not calling you a liar, but I would have to say Burn the Fat was not the source of your spam. I have been working with Tom for the past 5 years and that is not how he operates.

I plan to test this myself by creating a new email account and signing up for the e-course today, I will report back tomorrow in this thread.

I also plan on emailing Tom personally and passing this info on to him and I will report back his response.




Posted by: Prince

I just created a new email account and signed up for the 12 part e-course, so far I received the confirmation email, and then the first intro email after I confirmed my subscription.

I also sent an email off to Tom Venuto about this matter.



Posted by: DaMayor

Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince View Post
he did not buy the BFFM ebook, he said that he signed up for the free 12 part e course that I have links for.
ooOOOoH......


damn speed reading.



Posted by: Prince

here is a screen shot of my new test email account, as you can see there are two emails in it so far, the confirmation email and the intro email, I will post a screen shot tomorrow as well.



Posted by: IainDaniel

Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince View Post
here is a screen shot of my new test email account, as you can see there are two emails in it so far, the confirmation email and the intro email, I will post a screen shot tomorrow as well.
Gmail is pretty good at sorting out spam, though.



Posted by: Prince

Quote:
Originally Posted by IainDaniel View Post
Gmail is pretty good at sorting out spam, though.
yup, it will put it right in your spam box, all I use are Gmail accounts anymore, they don't block any emails, they just send it to spam, so if what he is saying is true tomorrow morning my spam box in this account should be full of crap. I am 99.9% sure there will be no spam in there tomorrow, but I take accusations like this seriously which is why I am going to this much trouble to prove him wrong.



Posted by: Built

That's awesome, Prince - thank you so much for doing that.



Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by Built View Post
That's awesome, Prince - thank you so much for doing that.
agree or disagree with his views I've always though prince has a great business mind for taking care of his customers and putting out a quality product. thats probably why i get my creatine from here and will start to order my protein as soon as im out of my current tub



Posted by: Prince

thanks guys!



Posted by: Prince

FYI - one thing to add, if signing up does put your email on a mailing list it is via AWeber.com, that is the list manager being used.



Posted by: Witmaster

Thank you for looking into this, Prince. I was probably a tad bit over zealous in my original post.

I honestly have no idea how my email address would have been hijacked by hack supplement companies.

If your test turns results in no spam that I'll have to assume I was wrong.

Strange though, the only thing I have done online with my email has been to register the 12-part series.



Posted by: Prince

Quote:
Originally Posted by Witmaster View Post
Thank you for looking into this, Prince. I was probably a tad bit over zealous in my original post.

I honestly have no idea how my email address would have been hijacked by hack supplement companies.

If your test turns results in no spam that I'll have to assume I was wrong.

Strange though, the only thing I have done online with my email has been to register the 12-part series.
after looking into it further and seeing that he is using Aweber its very possible that they "hijack" the email addresses, if so that is messed up...I will let you know what happens tomorrow. I know how "anti-spam" Tom is, so I would have to assume he does not realize anything like this is happening.



Posted by: Witmaster

Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince View Post
after looking into it further and seeing that he is using Aweber its very possible that they "hijack" the email addresses, if so that is messed up...I will let you know what happens tomorrow. I know how "anti-spam" Tom is, so I would have to assume he does not realize anything like this is happening.
Regardless, I probably should have just PM'd you the matter rather than just flame out in an open rant.

Thanks for addressing the concern. I'm still a satisfied customer.



Posted by: Prince

I use a similar service called Getresponse.com for my newsletters, I am now curious if they hijack my email addresses and sell them, I think I will test mine next.



Posted by: IainDaniel

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Originally Posted by Witmaster View Post
Regardless, I probably should have just PM'd you the matter rather than just flame out in an open rant.

Thanks for addressing the concern. I'm still a satisfied customer.
Don't you know we like the drama



Posted by: Prince

Well, I stand corrected!!!

Since I started my test this morning at 8am I have now received 6 spam messages and they are definitely part of Aweber.com because the spam wants me to sign up for their newsletters. So, my thought on this is Aweber.com sells off ALL email addresses that come in on all customer accounts to other Aweber customers that want to buy legit email addresses. This is pretty messed up in my opinion since companies are paying to use this service in the first place.

I sent Tom another email since I have confirmed the spam, still waiting for his response, knowing Tom he is not aware of this and will not be too happy about it.



Posted by: Prince

I just set-up a new email account so I can test my own service which is through Getresponse.com, it's a paid service so if they do this same crap as Aweber.com I am going to be pissed!



Posted by: KelJu

Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince View Post
Well, I stand corrected!!!

Since I started my test this morning at 8am I have now received 6 spam messages and they are definitely part of Aweber.com because the spam wants me to sign up for their newsletters. So, my thought on this is Aweber.com sells off ALL email addresses that come in on all customer accounts to other Aweber customers that want to buy legit email addresses. This is pretty messed up in my opinion since companies are paying to use this service in the first place.

I sent Tom another email since I have confirmed the spam, still waiting for his response, knowing Tom he is not aware of this and will not be too happy about it.


I am pretty impressed by both your call to action and your honesty in the matter. Keep up the good work!



Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
I am pretty impressed by both your call to action and your honesty in the matter. Keep up the good work!




Posted by: Prince

Tom Venuto's email response:

Quote:
Rob,

If this is true it is beyond disturbing,
its earth shattering. Aweber has
the most stellar reputation
in the industry. Its hard to believe
they would be the responsible party.

But maybe there is some way their
system is compromised, or my website
is compromised. The latter is unlikely
my webmaster has us behind some
very serious firewalls.

What I need from you is copies of the spams
and then I will get on the phone with the big
wigs at Aweber tomorrow.

Thanks for the heads up.




Posted by: The Monkey Man

Hail Prince and IM for this resolution!

Thats 100% friggin stand-up IMO

CHEERS!



Posted by: tallcall

Prince and Tom for President/VP 2008! Standing up for the little guys.



Posted by: Prince

UPDATE:

I did not receive any more spam as of this morning in my test email account for Aweber.com (email service Burn the Fat is using).

Great news! I decided to test my own email service Getresponse.com and I received zero spam messages in my test email account thus far.



Posted by: PreMier

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Posted by: Prince

I sent an email to Aweber, they responded but either they did not understand what I was accusing them of or they think I am a dumbass, so I responded with a more detailed and clear email of what they are doing and that I have verified it.



Posted by: Prince

Aweber's bullshit response to me:

Quote:
We do not sell, rent or distribute email address of or subscribers or our customers. This is something that we have laid out inside our privacy policy, which I have included below. In our 10 years of business, there has not been any type of security issue with our system, and using the procedures we have in place, we prevent this from ever occurring.

If you wish, I can certainly unsubscribe you from the lists in our database that you are susbcribed to, but as for the list in our account, there has been no breach or access that has occurred.




Posted by: dg806

That has to be a lie. How else could this have occured?



Posted by: Prince

Quote:
Originally Posted by dg806 View Post
That has to be a lie. How else could this have occured?
no doubt, I know Tom is not do anything on his end, so there is no other explanation for it.



Posted by: dg806

Anything I sign up for now goes to a yahoo, gmail or other email account just for this purpose. I don't trust anyone anymore.



Posted by: IainDaniel

Quote:
Originally Posted by dg806 View Post
Anything I sign up for now goes to a yahoo, gmail or other email account just for this purpose. I don't trust anyone anymore.
Ditto.



Posted by: danzik17

I've been on Venuto's mailing list for something like 3 years now and have not received any spam from him or any supplement companies.








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