|
|
|
|
Originally Posted by AKIRA
I eat bananas, blueberries, strawberries, watermelon, meh..thats about it.
Veggies? Shit, broccoli is easy, but asparagus still puts up a fight. Spinach was mentioned to me. It was suggested to replace lettuce in my subs with fresh spinach leaves. Dont know what this will do, so some insight is needed. What about cooked spinach? |
|
Originally Posted by AKIRA
I eat bananas, blueberries, strawberries, watermelon, meh..thats about it.
Veggies? Shit, broccoli is easy, but asparagus still puts up a fight. Spinach was mentioned to me. It was suggested to replace lettuce in my subs with fresh spinach leaves. Dont know what this will do, so some insight is needed. What about cooked spinach? |
|
Originally Posted by KelJu
You have to steam asparagus for a long time. It helps.
|
|
Originally Posted by JailHouse
Why not grill it?
|
| lmao! cheerios? |
|
Originally Posted by P-funk
What the hell is wrong with cheerios? They aren't awful and you can easily figure them into your diet. I hate bodybuilding voodo.
|
|
Originally Posted by Stewart20
Let's say you eat a clean diet with good ratios of carbs, proteins and fats, and take a multi vitamin every day. By clean I mean you eat brown rice, sweet potatoes, chicken, lean beef, turkey, cheerios, eggs, milk, etc. Are you getting all you need from these foods and the multi, or are you missing something?
I understand you eat veggies and fruits to get the vitamins from them, as well as being assured you are eating foods that are "good for you", but let's say you don't really eat them daily, does the vitamin assure you get what you need, vitamin wise? |
|
Originally Posted by AKIRA
What about cooked spinach?
|
|
Originally Posted by KentDog
Keeping this comment separate from the "real food over supplements" argument in which we all agree real food > supplements, I do not feel you need to consume fruits and veggies daily to be in spectacular health. Often times when I budget myself for food costwise, I don't eat a lot of fruits or veggies.
I am thinking back to a few years ago when I was in the best shape of my life, and I do not recall eating hardly any vegatables but did eat the occassional apple or pear. I am getting back into pretty good shape now and I rarely eat fruits or vegetables. Care to explain why fruits and vegetables are so "essential" or "vital" to a healthy diet? And how much are we talking about? If I rarely eat fruits or vegetables, are you saying that my diet is not "healthy?" I can run a 7-minute mile with no problem and box five three-minute rounds without gassing out. I have kept my strength up in the gym with no decline while cutting/maintaining. I feel very healthy. |
|
Originally Posted by KentDog
Keeping this comment separate from the "real food over supplements" argument in which we all agree real food > supplements, I do not feel you need to consume fruits and veggies daily to be in spectacular health. Often times when I budget myself for food costwise, I don't eat a lot of fruits or veggies.
I am thinking back to a few years ago when I was in the best shape of my life, and I do not recall eating hardly any vegatables but did eat the occassional apple or pear. I am getting back into pretty good shape now and I rarely eat fruits or vegetables. Care to explain why fruits and vegetables are so "essential" or "vital" to a healthy diet? And how much are we talking about? If I rarely eat fruits or vegetables, are you saying that my diet is not "healthy?" I can run a 7-minute mile with no problem and box five three-minute rounds without gassing out. I have kept my strength up in the gym with no decline while cutting/maintaining. I feel very healthy. |
|
Originally Posted by Stewart20
Thank you for adding this. this is pretty much what I wanted to say in creating this post. I mean, I am not entirely pleased with my diet not containing much of the fruit and veggie group, but on the whole, my diet is generally real good in terms of clean foods. I am more concerned with getting proper amounts of good carbs, proteins, and good fats, as opposed to where they come from.
I can see how veggies can be a tool if you are looking to cut or suppress appetite, but as far as the nutrients go, yes I am sure eating veggies and fruits to get the vitamins from them is better than taking a vitamin, but still, how much and how many veggies would you really need to eat to get the same amounts of each nutrient in a good multi vitamin? |
|
Originally Posted by AKIRA
I eat bananas, blueberries, strawberries, watermelon, meh..thats about it.
Veggies? Shit, broccoli is easy, but asparagus still puts up a fight. Spinach was mentioned to me. It was suggested to replace lettuce in my subs with fresh spinach leaves. Dont know what this will do, so some insight is needed. What about cooked spinach? |
|
Originally Posted by Merkaba
Well for one, how much of that rock of a vitamin is your body absorbing?
Plus there are other things like phytonutrients and enzymes that youre getting, not to mention the fiber. You might feel great. But how do you know youre not harboring a growing tumor in your gut or another impending disease? We all know that veggies and fruits have way more benefits than Centrum or GNC vitamins Well because one spinach leaf has about twice the nutritional value of a head iceberg lettuce. (not literally but iceberg has little nutrition) |
|
Originally Posted by fufu
Regardless of fruit being nessecary for optimal health, don't you like eating it anyway? I personally love fruit. Would you see it as a task to consume it?
|
|
Originally Posted by Stewart20
, does the vitamin assure you get what you need, vitamin wise?
|
|
Originally Posted by KentDog
Keeping this comment separate from the "real food over supplements" argument in which we all agree real food > supplements, I do not feel you need to consume fruits and veggies daily to be in spectacular health. Often times when I budget myself for food costwise, I don't eat a lot of fruits or veggies.
I am thinking back to a few years ago when I was in the best shape of my life, and I do not recall eating hardly any vegatables but did eat the occassional apple or pear. I am getting back into pretty good shape now and I rarely eat fruits or vegetables. Care to explain why fruits and vegetables are so "essential" or "vital" to a healthy diet? And how much are we talking about? If I rarely eat fruits or vegetables, are you saying that my diet is not "healthy?" I can run a 7-minute mile with no problem and box five three-minute rounds without gassing out. I have kept my strength up in the gym with no decline while cutting/maintaining. I feel very healthy. |
|
Originally Posted by Stewart20
Oh I love fruit, don't get me wrong. I think my original point was to ask if it is necessary to have x amount of fruit and vegetables daily to have optimum health benefits, or can you go a couple days without them, then have some here and there, etc. I just find it expensive to find good fruit around me, and now that my son is starting to eat stuff like this too, it gets to be a lot, and if I could only serve one of us, he is getting the good stuff.
I am trying to get better, I am starting to incorporate at least one piece of fruit and some type of vegetable daily. Unfortunately, my selection for vegetables right now consists of potatoes, sweet potatoes, corn and beans. Fruit is an apple or banana. A good start? |
|
Originally Posted by BabySteps
Understood, but...
First of all, how old are you? Hell, anyone can be in great shape when they're young enough. How many of us could eat anything we wanted and never gain a pound and have endless energy when we were young? Second, just because you feel OK today and have energy doesn't mean that lack of fruits and vegetables will not have a negative impact on your body down the road. Like it or not, fruits and vegies have been proven over and over to repair cells, fight disease, etc. Why do you think most diseases appear in middle age? Years of neglecting to eat right and exercise. Just a thought... |
|
Originally Posted by Merkaba
Phytonutrients
I think this is one of those situations that doesnt have an answer. Whats the question is there a certain amount of fruits and veggies we should eat? I don't think we can eat enough veggies. But mentioning cost as a deterrant sheds more light on the situation. Potatoes corn and beans is alot of starch in my yes...but better than non at all indeed. I think one could write a book on broccoli and spinach and other leafy veggies though. If you read about them you will want to include them in every meal. I agree it does get expensive and you just have to do what you can. I get a big bag of broccoli florets from sams for like 5 bucks. The equivalent would cost me 20 bucks in the supermarket. I'm actually eating a bowl of cooked broccoli now! I dont eat veggies with every meal but I really try nowadays. My grandad just got a colostomy bag yesterday due to a rectal cancerous mass resulting in removal of part of his rectum. I don't have specific statistics but I've read how digestive cancers are more prevalent. Hey, will shoving copious amounts of fibrous greens keep me from getting the same, who knows, but I know I've tried one aspect of prevention, among others. |
|
Originally Posted by KentDog
Good points and something to think about. Though I'm not one of those who can eat whatever I wanted and not gain a pound, I do agree that there is extensive research out there supporting various health benefits of consuming fruits and vegetables.
To answer your question, I'm 23. The main thing I question is similar to what I think Stewart is asking, and that is whether the same health benefits of fruits and veggies can be obtained from a clean diet w/ good amounts of p/c/f along with basic supplement usage (multivitamin, fish oils, and whey protein) without eating fruits and vegetables regularly. I don't believe there are studies out there that nail the question of optimal amount (afterall, they need to be balanced in your diet as well; you add in calories from fruits and veggies and you must subtract from other foods, with the exception of no calories veggies). |
when you are on a diet the vegetables and fruits provide you vitamins and minerals.
|
Originally Posted by KentDog
Good points and something to think about. Though I'm not one of those who can eat whatever I wanted and not gain a pound, I do agree that there is extensive research out there supporting various health benefits of consuming fruits and vegetables.
To answer your question, I'm 23. The main thing I question is similar to what I think Stewart is asking, and that is whether the same health benefits of fruits and veggies can be obtained from a clean diet w/ good amounts of p/c/f along with basic supplement usage (multivitamin, fish oils, and whey protein) without eating fruits and vegetables regularly. I don't believe there are studies out there that nail the question of optimal amount (afterall, they need to be balanced in your diet as well; you add in calories from fruits and veggies and you must subtract from other foods, with the exception of no calories veggies). |
|
Originally Posted by Merkaba
Phytonutrients
I think this is one of those situations that doesnt have an answer. Whats the question is there a certain amount of fruits and veggies we should eat? I don't think we can eat enough veggies. But mentioning cost as a deterrant sheds more light on the situation. Potatoes corn and beans is alot of starch in my yes...but better than non at all indeed. I think one could write a book on broccoli and spinach and other leafy veggies though. If you read about them you will want to include them in every meal. I agree it does get expensive and you just have to do what you can. I get a big bag of broccoli florets from sams for like 5 bucks. The equivalent would cost me 20 bucks in the supermarket. I'm actually eating a bowl of cooked broccoli now! I dont eat veggies with every meal but I really try nowadays. My grandad just got a colostomy bag yesterday due to a rectal cancerous mass resulting in removal of part of his rectum. I don't have specific statistics but I've read how digestive cancers are more prevalent. Hey, will shoving copious amounts of fibrous greens keep me from getting the same, who knows, but I know I've tried one aspect of prevention, among others. And of course with kids its taste. try various recipes and veggies to try to get them to eat more stuff. I used to hate broccoli and okra. Now I don't love broccoli but I can eat it and almost ignore it, but okra I can eat by the pound. My girlfriends little three year old niece somehow loves "bocky" and "zukenny". If thats your kid in the avatar my girlfriend and i were talking about how cute he is. |
The boy can eat 800 bananas a day, but not touch anything else in the fruit or veggie department
|
Originally Posted by Merkaba
haha.....I like bananas but not that much. When I was in college I would get them from the lunch bar and eat two or three a day religiously. I swear 99% of my farts never smelt! i think it had something to do with the bananas. Cause after I graduated and stopped eating them as much it was back to the same old same old killer gas.
|
|
Originally Posted by Merkaba
haha.....I like bananas but not that much. When I was in college I would get them from the lunch bar and eat two or three a day religiously. I swear 99% of my farts never smelt! i think it had something to do with the bananas. Cause after I graduated and stopped eating them as much it was back to the same old same old killer gas.
|
|
Originally Posted by min0 lee
Bananas do the same for me also..
|
|
Originally Posted by mike1989
i bananas too
|
