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Posted by: JiminyJones

I'm kind of a newbie in training and specifically in nutrition so bear with me here. I see a lot of recipes (mostly for shakes) including a lot of peanut butter. My question here is why? It's high in calories and, well, people are looking for easy calories (for bulking purposes obviously), i get that, but it's also really high in fat.

I know that eating fat doesn't necessarily make you fat. Heck, you need to eat fat, it's good for you; nevertheless, eating a lot of fat CAN make you fat, cant it? (by 'make you fat' i mean increase your body fat, not specifically speaking about mass). Shouldn't you try getting calories from foods that don't have an astronomical amount of fat in them?


Posted by: tucker01

a portion of pb isnt really that much fat. plus they are good fats


Posted by: fufu

Total calorie consumption if what you need to concern yourself with with gaining weight. I eat a ton of fat every day (olive oil dressings, meat fat, fish oil, walnuts, peanuts, etc). I am the leanest I've ever been. Fat has been demonized, and it isn't correct. I personally value getting enough fat in a day than carbohydrates.

There is nothing inherent about fat that makes you gain weight more than carbs of protein. Sure, they have more calories per volume than carbs and protein, but they are also more filling and that is just a matter of caloric control.

10 calories of fat isn't going to make you gain weight more than 10 calories of carbohydrates or protein.


Posted by: JiminyJones

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Originally Posted by fufu View Post
Total calorie consumption if what you need to concern yourself with with gaining weight. I eat a ton of fat every day (olive oil dressings, meat fat, fish oil, walnuts, peanuts, etc). I am the leanest I've ever been. Fat has been demonized, and it isn't correct. I personally value getting enough fat in a day than carbohydrates.

There is nothing inherent about fat that makes you gain weight more than carbs of protein. Sure, they have more calories per volume than carbs and protein, but they are also more filling and that is just a matter of caloric control.

10 calories of fat isn't going to make you gain weight more than 10 calories of carbohydrates or protein.
You mainly speak about calories it your reply. I was trying to stress that that's not my concern. Calorie-wise, fat is not a problem. The only thing is, not all fat is digested - some sinks in your veins and some is just stored as fat; that's what my question was, and that's why i specifically said that i was talking about fat and not weight. Won't eating a lot of fat increase the amount of fat in your body?


Posted by: fufu

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Originally Posted by JiminyJones View Post
You mainly speak about calories it your reply. I was trying to stress that that's not my concern. Calorie-wise, fat is not a problem. The only thing is, not all fat is digested - some sinks in your veins and some is just stored as fat; that's what my question was, and that's why i specifically said that i was talking about fat and not weight. Won't eating a lot of fat increase the amount of fat in your body?
I directly answered your question.

I said 10 calories of fat will not have any more affect on weight gain than 10 calories of carbs.

You aren't grasping the metabolic pathways of dietary fat, it doesn't just "sink into your veins" and get stored as fat. No, that would result in an embolism. But that is completely out of the question, regardless. When fat is utilized through the blood after being digested in the small intestine, it doesn't just get stored as fat. It functions to maintain cell health and various other micro-biological structures in the body. Apidose fat is different in structure than dietary fat, dietary fat doesn't have the proper molecular structure to go straight to body fat, like I said, there are metabolic pathways that dictate such things.

Fat has a bunch of functions in the body, that is why we eat it. Even when you are in a caloric excess, fat doesn't function any differently in weight gain than carbs or protein, at least nothing significant given normal biological circumstances.

By the way, if fat is in your blood, it is already digested. All of the undigested fat goes onto the large intestine to be shit out through your colon.


Posted by: Merkaba

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Originally Posted by JiminyJones View Post
You mainly speak about calories it your reply. I was trying to stress that that's not my concern. Calorie-wise, fat is not a problem. The only thing is, not all fat is digested - some sinks in your veins and some is just stored as fat; that's what my question was, and that's why i specifically said that i was talking about fat and not weight. Won't eating a lot of fat increase the amount of fat in your body?
Goddam.



Another example of someone asking for advice then not paying attention when its delt out. The point is made that eating alot of fat can make you fat, but so can eating alot of carbs and/or eating alot of protein. PB is in shakes many times because its good fat and when you're busting ass in the gym you need more than alot of people tend to get. Care to tell us how fat doesnt get digested yet just "sinks in your veins"? I'm eager as hell to hear about this new finding.......shoot.


Posted by: JiminyJones

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Originally Posted by Merkaba View Post
Goddam.



Another example of someone asking for advice then not paying attention when its delt out. The point is made that eating alot of fat can make you fat, but so can eating alot of carbs and/or eating alot of protein. PB is in shakes many times because its good fat and when you're busting ass in the gym you need more than alot of people tend to get. Care to tell us how fat doesnt get digested yet just "sinks in your veins"? I'm eager as hell to hear about this new finding.......shoot.
By not replying to the latest message i was trying to say "thank you, i got the info I needed and I'm satisfied", but since you so eagerly and aggressively demanded my response, well, there it is: I don't really know what the process involves, nor do i know which types of fat participate in it, but it's common knowledge that eating a lot of fat foods (well, mostly speaking about older individuals, of course) clogs up your arteries by slowly narrowing the available space in them for blood to go through, increasing the chances of a heart attack. That's what i meant by "sinks in your veins". Nevertheless, thanks for the heads up on my preposterous behavior.


Posted by: Merkaba

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Originally Posted by JiminyJones View Post
By not replying to the latest message i was trying to say "thank you, i got the info I needed and I'm satisfied", but since you so eagerly and aggressively demanded my response, well, there it is: I don't really know what the process involves, nor do i know which types of fat participate in it, but it's common knowledge that eating a lot of fat foods (well, mostly speaking about older individuals, of course) clogs up your arteries by slowly narrowing the available space in them for blood to go through, increasing the chances of a heart attack. That's what i meant by "sinks in your veins". Nevertheless, thanks for the heads up on my preposterous behavior.
Your behavior is not preposterous. Its just classic. Older individuals of course have signs of artherosclerosis because they are older and they have been building up over years of poor ore less than stellar nutritional and physical programs. I dont think you first said anything about older individuals because thats a situation that would change the whole angle of the thread. Your response is dont know because its a false presumption. There are various fats and they exhibit various benefits and dangers and consumption of fats needs to be considerate of the types of fats. The media has made the correlation that fat intake equals fat in the body when its just not that simple.

Its no big deal, its just that if you ask for help, be ready to interpret it. Sorry for being a bit hostile. At least around here if you ask you'll eventually get a good answer....usually.


Posted by: fufu

lol

Well, I usually don't perceive no repsonses as a thank you...but anyway, you're welcome.

Yes, lipid based membranes in the blood can collect in arteries and induce heart attacks. However, that is dependent on several factors.

1.) genetic predisposition
2.) level of daily exercise
3.) level of overall nutrition (consider heart attack preventative nutrients, etc)
4.) level of the types of fats that you consume, mono/poly unsaturated fats put you at less of a risk, or can reverse the negative processes that induce heart attacks. Saturated fat (in high levels) and trans fat have different molecular structures and function very different as nutrients. They can put you at risk for heart attacks if all the other factors aren't proper.
5.) personal lifestyle choices (drinking, smoking, etc.)

Gauging whether or not you are at risk for a heart attack by just the amount of fat you eat is impossible. It can prove to be quite a lesser factor when compared to the others. There is a lot to consider.

Peanut butter is fine to eat. I don't think anyone has ever got a heart attack from simply eating too much peanut butter. Not all fats are created equal.


Posted by: marcuz29

I think peanut butter does have good fats in it. Since it is not an animal product, peanut butter can be able to help us.


Posted by: Ben dur



look chief

we dont just scoop out a spoonful of peanut butter and slop it into our pork fat protein shakes...

in most all recipes it is a measured amount of peanut butter, to supply a balance amount of dietary fat...

a shake made from whey protein is a very fast absorbing meal
adding peanut butter balances out the fat to protein ratio, slowing the absorption of protein somewhat, and supplying the body with a healthy amount of fats for good health.


my diet is comprised of roughly 1000 calories from fat each day
am i in bad health?
lets get out the calipers and test our body fat
bet mines lower, if not its certainly in a healthy range

want a show of cardiovascular health
lets go for a run
i covered 3 miles in just over 19 minutes today

dietary fat (particularly from peanut butter) do not negatively effect the cardiovascular system or body fat when consumed in proper proportion


Posted by: Merkaba

Get em Ben


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