Originally Posted by Merkaba

You look like a moron every time you run back to your back to look at that shit routine you're reading out of a mag that promises to add 30 lbs to your bench this month while increasing your sexual prowess and pheromone signatures.

Originally Posted by Minhkey

lol wow, my gym doesn't seem to have any of the annoying types you guys mentioned. No one even talks to each other unless they are friends! It's pretty sweet, but sometimes I want to ask advice and am too intimidated because of what you guys all say about people who ask you stuff.

Originally Posted by GOtriSports

No fat girl, I do not have any idea how much time you should spend on the elliptical.

Originally Posted by tomuchgear

only thing that bothers me and truly just erks me. dont be a freakin dick. if you are taking a damn two minute rest break let my jump in. i will unload the bar for ya. that and rack your freaking weights.

Originally Posted by largepkg

I tend to disagree with you on this one. Anything that requires someone else to either change rack positions or rack/unrack weight from the bar I'm using will not get to work in with me. I'm generally very focused when in the middle of a set and the last thing I want is some douche bag changing rack positions and weight in the middle of my set.

Now if you want to use the flat bench for DB's presses or the like no problem. Same for any machine I might be rarely using.

Originally Posted by largepkg

90-120 seconds is my normal rest interval. Sometimes longer when doing sets for power. The problem I have is, when I squat I have the rack set at my positions. I'm 6'4'' and generally go fairly heavy. For someone to work in with me would require them to change my rack positions and weight. this would take well over two minutes between changes on top of the fact that it would throw my rhythm off.

As for reracking the weight you use I agree.

Originally Posted by tomuchgear

fair enough didnt think much bout the rack position. sucks being over six foot doesnt it. your rest breaks are really that long? huh most guys i see that do that are slacking off lol. if youre really busting ass then i could understand it. i am talking bout the blue tooth junkies and all that. that and when it comes to my training rest whats that lol.

Originally Posted by largepkg

No slacking here. I get in and get out. I workout alone and leave the phone in the car and the Ipod turned up.

If your squatting, dead lifting, or any other compound movement with the proper intensity I can't see how you could go less than 2 minute intervals.

When I do squats and deads I usually do 2-3 working sets at max intensity. If I tried to do another set after only a 30-60 second interval I'd fall flat on my face.

Originally Posted by GOtriSports

Generally I feel the same way, however I do my very best to keep my rest times as low as possible so I am getting a slight cardio workout as well. I always workout with a buddy of mine though so I do a set, then he jumps right in then I jump right in ect. So it does not feel like there is a long rest time when in reality it is about 60-90 seconds.

That being said I still cannot stand people that take 2+ minute rests on a machine. Im sorry but other people need to use the damn squat rack too. If you want to take a 2 minute break fine but let me work in with you because I will be done before your darn 2 minute rest.

Originally Posted by GOtriSports

Generally I feel the same way, however I do my very best to keep my rest times as low as possible so I am getting a slight cardio workout as well. I always workout with a buddy of mine though so I do a set, then he jumps right in then I jump right in ect. So it does not feel like there is a long rest time when in reality it is about 60-90 seconds.

That being said I still cannot stand people that take 2+ minute rests on a machine. Im sorry but other people need to use the damn squat rack too. If you want to take a 2 minute break fine but let me work in with you because I will be done before your darn 2 minute rest.

Originally Posted by Merkaba

60 to 90 seconds is only 30 seconds away from 120 or 2 minutes. Some of us don't want a cardio workout with the iron, thats a totally different workout purpose and an automatic reduction in output. I routinely take 2 to 3 on heavy squats and deads and when I come out of a set I think most people would want to wait a little longer if you know what I mean. I know its a totally ego based thing but I get my feelings hurt when some dude is mean mugging me, then comes over right after I've finished to do half the weight with half the intensity and half the form.

Originally Posted by Built

Why do you care about getting cardio while you lift, GOtriSports? What are your training goals?

Originally Posted by largepkg

No slacking here. I get in and get out. I workout alone and leave the phone in the car and the Ipod turned up.

If your squatting, dead lifting, or any other compound movement with the proper intensity I can't see how you could go less than 2 minute intervals.

When I do squats and deads I usually do 2-3 working sets at max intensity. If I tried to do another set after only a 30-60 second interval I'd fall flat on my face.

Originally Posted by Built

But if you do cardio while you lift, you won't be lifting optimally. I would think you'd have better success in reaching your goals if you limited your cardio and focused on short, intense, heavy workouts and careful diet.

Not saying not to do cardio, but don't use a shoe to pound a nail into a wall, know what I'm saying?

Originally Posted by danzik17

I don't know how true that is for some of us - I'm going to try throwing cardio into the mix 2-3 days a week and see how it works out. I'm genetically inclined to be a fatass (goddamn endomorphic genes) so I have to diet my ass of just to maintain weight. I've never been able to drop to single digit BF on diet alone so far. I do remember reading something in Venuto's book about some body types just plain needing the cardio as an incentive to drop the fat.

Originally Posted by Merkaba

How many calories what macs (estimates) were you running when you couldnt drop weight? Did you keep the fat up?

Originally Posted by danzik17

I've never been able to drop to single digit BF on diet alone so far.

Originally Posted by danzik17

I don't know the exact macros except for my most recent diet since these were spread out over a pretty good amount of time, usually 4-6 months each.

Originally Posted by Built

There is EXACTLY one way to lose weight: consume fewer calories than you require.

To help hang onto muscle - so you drop fat instead - now that one's a tricky one. The more cardio you do, the more muscle you'll drop.

Re diet: those are some llooooowwww calories. How much do you weigh?

Originally Posted by Built

Stupid question that I may have asked you before, but I'll toss it out - have you had your hormones checked? (thyroid, testosterone)

Originally Posted by DiGiTaL

Here are a few thats been pissing me off so much lately:

- Put the fucking weight in place after you used it. I dont have time to run around the gym find where the other 30lb dumbell is. Same goes squats and benchpresses.

- As mentioned, dont take an hour to do 2 sets of squats. Other people need to do shit too.

- I dont give a shit you can curl 50s, I have a different routine and different goals.

- My weight is my problem.

- Walking on the treadmill for 20min is not cardio.

- I dont come to the gym to socialize. (I hate some of these highschool kids).

- You can bench 140, great, now lets see you do that with dumbells. You Cant, so stfu.

- Kids that give you advice. "I have 5 protein shakes a day and a shitload of BurgerKing and it made me huuggee!" is an example.

Repeat: Put the fucking equipment back in place, I honestly spend so much time finding the weights and bars. And when you do your squats, take the weight off and put it back..holy fuck you guys should see the gym I workout. Im so close to make a complain about it all.