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Posted by: premo

hi guys gonna post this in 2 sections as it is about AS and cardi/training

i tore my rotator cuff tendon and havent been able to train for 2 months
i can do light bicep and tricep nthing else but even that may agravate it!!!!

i have been told by a specialist to not train except cardio for next 2 months while he treats it, he said i may be able to come back sooner but only with treatment a nd rest

this is the worst day in my life as i feel like i will loose years of good muscle
i wiegh 224ibs but my bf is prob 18 to 20%
so here are my questions

i can use this time to get ripped but want to keep as much muscle as possible untill i can train again.

do i just diet and walk for cardio? so i dont loose too much muscle?
can i take an AS to help me not loose while im not training or will this make me fat?

Posted by: Gazhole

Dont take a steroid, it will be a waste of money without the training there.

Just concentrate on keeping your work capacity up with running/biking/etc.

If you're not training, you will more than likely lose muscle no matter what you do. If you arent using it, your body will get rid of it. The sooner you accept that, the better.

Enjoy the rest time, concentrate on recovering from the injury, and use the time to figure out WHY the injury happened in the first place.

Was it poor form? Read up on correct technique.

Was there too much pressing in your program? Read up on proper program design.

Was it a flexability issue? Research how to improve flexibility for when you come back.

Did you warm up properly? Research how to do that properly.

For now thats all you can do. Use the time to further your knowledge on diet and training so that you can make sure this never happens again, and prepare in such away that your diet and training will be spot on for when you come back, in order to get back to your previous level as fast and safely as possible.

Injuries suck, but recurring injuries suck like Paris Hilton.

Posted by: Merkaba

Great post by Gaz.

There's no way around injuries. And you DO NOT want to push a rotator cuff. You're probably gonna lose some muscle. Life is a bitch. Try to learn what you can from the situation, if it had nothing to do with you, then take time to read research and rest up.

Posted by: P-funk

- don't take the AAS for this.

- which muscle is torn....ask your doctor that....and don't settle for a bullshit "rotator cuff tear" answer. if he can't tell you which one...then see a different specialist.

- what is he doing to make it better in 2 months?

- is it a full tear? partial tear?

Posted by: premo

he said that i have torn the tendon in the shoulder. i have not been able to train forlast 2 months and will not be able to fr a few more he says. but he said if i give it total rest for next month we maybe able too add some exercises etc in the mix or rehab

if i keep my protein high will that save me loosin to much??? im depressed man

i think i caused this injury by over traiing and going too heavy on shoulders and chest

Posted by: premo

what would you do

eat si i dont loose size, but add fat as im not lifting

or rip but look and feel skinny

will creatine or glutaine or anything hekp

Posted by: Gazhole

Nothing will help, if you're not using what you eat youll just excrete it in some way.

Its a harsh truth, but youll just have to work back up to your current level later on.

Learn from your mistake and dont do it again, but for now theres not much you can do except recover from your injury.

Posted by: Gazhole

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Originally Posted by Merkaba

Great post by Gaz.

There's no way around injuries. And you DO NOT want to push a rotator cuff. You're probably gonna lose some muscle. Life is a bitch. Try to learn what you can from the situation, if it had nothing to do with you, then take time to read research and rest up.

Thanks man.

Speaking very much from experience and what people told me when i did my back in. Still not up to speed now, i look at the weights im using and get rather annoyed :P.

Slowly ramping the leg work up again thought, and loving every minute.

Posted by: Valias

These last few weeks have been the first time i've posted here in over a year (probably 2 if i look at the pictures etc).

I too know the pain (more so psychological heh) when it comes to injury. One thing i must stress is, don't even do those little bicep or tricep curls, in the grand scheme of things, it will more than likely do more harm than good. I wish you the best of luck, and one thing which is cool, when you get back into training you'll put it back on faster than the first time.

Btw Gaz, that really was a good post, if only i read something like that around 2 years ago.

Additionaly Gaz, do you think he could do any kind of leg / lower work which would be rotator cuff free and keep his body at least partially anabolic?

Posted by: GoLdeN M 07

Not to sound like an idiot and I am serious about this but taking fish oil will help maintain muscle mass. There have been many studies shows that it maintains muscle mass in times of muscle disuse and injury..

and if im gonna be harrassed by kenju or anyone for mentioning fish oil, do a damn google serach and then talk to me.

Posted by: Gazhole

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Originally Posted by GoLdeN M 07

Not to sound like an idiot and I am serious about this but taking fish oil will help maintain muscle mass. There have been many studies shows that it maintains muscle mass in times of muscle disuse and injury..

and if im gonna be harrassed by kenju or anyone for mentioning fish oil, do a damn google serach and then talk to me.

We get it - you think fish oil is awesome, and it may well be, but give it a fucking rest.

Im completely serious about this, its bad enough when you post 10+ threads on this subject, but keep it out of other peoples threads. I wont ask again.

Posted by: Gazhole

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Originally Posted by Valias

Btw Gaz, that really was a good post, if only i read something like that around 2 years ago.

Additionaly Gaz, do you think he could do any kind of leg / lower work which would be rotator cuff free and keep his body at least partially anabolic?

Thanks, lol.

The problem with a lot of leg work such as squats and deadlifts is they put a lot of pressure on the shoulder for stabilization.

In squats - for holding and stabilizing the bar, and in deadlifts its pretty obvious because the arms are heavily involved since you're holding the bar.

This activity MIGHT be fine, but only his doctor knows the extent of his injury so it's hard to give any sort of advice about it, yknow?

I would err on the side of caution and stick with cardio.

Bodyweight squats/deadlifts will be fine though, as the shoulders wont be involved hardly at all compared to their weighted counterparts.

Perhaps some leg circuits might help:

Lunges
Squats
Jump Squats
Jump Lunges
Deadlifts
One Legged Deadlifts
Hops
Calve Raises
Hyperextensions
1 Legged Hyperextensions

Etc etc, all without any sort of additional resistence, with higher reps and lower rest intervals, might be a good idea.

Posted by: GoLdeN M 07

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Originally Posted by Gazhole

U think my point in this thread is to re explain how awesome i think fish oil is? This guy has a problem and I am advising him a good solution? Is that not what a forum is supposed to do? HELP people..?
I dont think fish oil is a miracle supplement, but it holds many incredible benefits and it should be takne advantage of, and this guy wants a way to maintain muscle mass and many many studies have shown that fish oil does maintain muscle mass in times of disuse. I'm only trying to help, im not trying to piss anyone off.

You said that there is no way to maintain muscle mass during injury, and I know that there is a way.

Posted by: P-funk

if you are so knowledgeable about fish oil and muscle retention...could you please explain the dosage that an individual needs to use in order to maintain muscle mass? What do they use in the research studies you alluded too?

patrick

Posted by: Gazhole

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Originally Posted by GoLdeN M 07

Look, theres nothing to discuss here.

Every bit of "advice" you give lately is related to fish oil. Basically every thread you have posted in recent memory is related to fish oil.

Your advocation of fish oil is now akin to that of a medievil quack doctor prescribing leeches for every known ailment, and any merit to your claims is drowned out by their sheer volume.

Other members have voiced this sentiment lately, but you apparently havent taken the hint. Let me say it clearly:

Please shut up about fish oil.

If you have anything useful to contribute to this thread/forum dont be afraid to join in the discussions, and this is in no way a personal attack on you, but so god help me i am sick of seeing you spout this bullshit without any conclusive evidence or relevant explanation.

Posted by: GoLdeN M 07

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-funk

if you are so knowledgeable about fish oil and muscle retention...could you please explain the dosage that an individual needs to use in order to maintain muscle mass? What do they use in the research studies you alluded too?

patrick

Well you can just google it by typing fish oil and muscle mass and it will show you plenty of studies, blogs and experiments.

But one that I can remember is the use of rats. There were 2 groups of rats, one being fed fish oil and one not being fed fish oil. Both groups of rats had their hind legs hindered so they would not be used which would result in significant atrophy on the legs. The rats with fish oil had much reduced catabolic rates.

I'm not too sure about the dosage, but I think at least 1.5-2 grams of epa/dha is good.

I do have a lot of knowledge about fish oil, but Im not perfect on every aspect of it, so I would appreciate it if the attackes would stop because I am just trying to help. Thats it..Im offering help... Im not showingmy amazement of fish oil.

Posted by: GoLdeN M 07

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Originally Posted by Gazhole

But this guy has a problem that fish oil could actually provide great assistance to. Does he not deserve help?

Posted by: Gazhole

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoLdeN M 07

I do have a lot of knowledge about fish oil, but Im not perfect on every aspect of it, so I would appreciate it if the attackes would stop because I am just trying to help. Thats it..Im offering help... Im not showingmy amazement of fish oil.

Thats cool, and well done for putting the time in to research this stuff properly, but you are going overboard with it. Just lay low with the fish oil stuff for a while, because it does seem like every single post you make is about it.

Im slightly worried you are going to be attending Fish Oil Anonymous in the future.

But no, sorry if my last post was harsh, but just chill out with this stuff a bit, yeah?

Posted by: GoLdeN M 07

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Originally Posted by Gazhole

Dude..bottom line, when I posted about fish oil in this thread, it was not a part of my fish oil obsession rampage... this is something that could really HELLPPP this guy and he deserves help.. how many times do I have to say this... if u wanna think of this post I did on fish oil, think of it as a cuincidence because Im helping this guy..this is seperate from all the past threads I had involving fish oil and how awesome I think they are, this is called HELPING A PERSON IN NEED OF HELP.

with all due respect, please just understand that. Forget about the past

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