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Is Donovan McNabb really that stupid?

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Posted by: I Are Baboon

He doesn't know the overtime rules in the NFL?

Rich Hofmann: NFL overtime rules? Don't ask McNabb | Philadelphia Daily News | 11/17/2008


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"No, I didn't know that," McNabb said at his postgame press conference. The 10-year veteran said he was not aware that one overtime is all you get in the NFL in the regular season until the final play of that overtime, when the Eagles tried an unsuccessful Hail Mary pass. He said, "When the play was called, I kind of figured, 'I guess there's ties in the NFL.' "

He said, "I've never been a part of a tie. I never even knew that was in the rule book. It's part of the rules and we have to go with it. I was looking forward to the next opportunity to get out there and try to drive to win the game."

Then McNabb compounded his error by not knowing the postseason overtime rule. Those games do play to a conclusion for obvious reasons, but McNabb said, "I hate to see what happens in the Super Bowl or I hate to see what happens in the playoffs. You have to settle with a tie."





Posted by: ReproMan

Ya know, I had the sleep timer on the TV and I was nearly out when I heard that. Thought I had dreamt it..



Posted by: largepkg

Yes, he's dumb as a stump. The main reason is the man has been in the league for 10 years now and a tie has happened a couple of time during that span. Also, what fucking 10 year NFL veteran retard is going to admit that to the press?



Posted by: I Are Baboon

I am honestly amazed that any NFL player, let alone one of McNabb's stature, is unaware that the game ends in a tie after one overtime. How fucking clueless do you have to be???





Posted by: IronAddict

You know, I hate to say this, but maybe Limbaugh was right.



Posted by: min0 lee

A lot of players these days have no clue about history of the game, some of these guys just play the game never having read it's history.



Posted by: IronAddict

^^^So true. Many of these modern day atheletes don't know who Lynn Swann is. Many of these guys just play for the huge salaries. I don't blame them, but man, at least know your craft! Can you imagine a cop not knowing when to use deadly force!



Posted by: zombul

I amazed that the players aren't informed of this atleast when they go into overtime. I guess it's expected they know.



Posted by: lifterjaydawg

He is done in Philly, and Reid should go as well.



Posted by: soxmuscle

Yes.

He was benched because of how stupid he is.



Posted by: Triple Threat

Is he still eating Chunky soup?



Posted by: bio-chem

I think you guys are jumping the gun a little bit. McNabb is still a viable qb in the league. It's not like the offense suddenly got better when kolb replaced him.



Posted by: IainDaniel

he had a 13 QB rating before he got pulled yesterday.



Posted by: bio-chem

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he had a 13 QB rating before he got pulled yesterday.
brett favre, john elway, dan marino, peyton manning have all had bad days. fans are way to quick for calling for a player/coaches head in my opinion. If fans had their way professional sports would end up looking like the french revolution



Posted by: IainDaniel

His inability to scramble and move like prior to his ACL injury is why he isn't as effective.



Posted by: I Are Baboon

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His inability to scramble and move like prior to his ACL injury is why he isn't as effective.
Plus he's dumb. And probably gay.



Posted by: Doublebase

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And probably gay.




Posted by: min0 lee

It's Donovan's Birthday today.

Donovan Jamal McNabb (born November 25, 1976 in Chicago, Illinois)



Posted by: soxmuscle

Mom runs a photography studio in the Chicagoland area. McNabb and his wife purchased their wedding photos from my moms studios/photographers.

To make a long story short, if there was an A, B, and C package --after signing a 100+ million dollar deal-- McNabb bought the C package.

Cheap bastid.



Posted by: Dale Mabry

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And probabkly gay.
Was he drafted by the Yankees too?



Posted by: P-funk

Ask Rush Limbaugh



Posted by: ReproMan

Donovan is actually 16th all time in career passer rating.

Other notables:
20. Jim Jelly
22. Roger Staubach
33. Troy Aikman
37. Warren Moon
39. Bart Starr
45. John Elway
54. Johnny Unitas
110. Terry Bradshaw

He might be an idiot and a cheap son of a bitch, but a bad quarterback he's not. It's kinda hard not to be under a microscope as a QB when your team passes almost 70% of the time.

I think Andy Reid's job should be in question before Donovan's. That fat son of a bitch can't keep his kids from doing crystal meth, let alone having grown men follow an offensive scheme he drew up on a fuckin Double Cheeseburger wrapper. Some of the worst crunch-time decision making in the game over the past few years has come from Andy Reid and company (Marty Mornhinweg is actually tops on my list).. Benching Donovan in a game you had a chance to win, then renaming him the starter 2 days later is just another one on the long list.



Posted by: soxmuscle

^ good post.

McNabb really hasn't been that bad this year. Injuries have plagued the Eagles this year, not McNabb.



Posted by: Doublebase

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^ good post.

McNabb really hasn't been that bad this year. Injuries have plagued the Eagles this year, not McNabb.
and bad coaching.



Posted by: I Are Baboon

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He might be an idiot and a cheap son of a bitch...
That's all we're saying.

You don't bring your team to four straight NFC championship games by sucking.



Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by ReproMan View Post
Donovan is actually 16th all time in career passer rating.

Other notables:
20. Jim Jelly
22. Roger Staubach
33. Troy Aikman
37. Warren Moon
39. Bart Starr
45. John Elway
54. Johnny Unitas
110. Terry Bradshaw

He might be an idiot and a cheap son of a bitch, but a bad quarterback he's not. It's kinda hard not to be under a microscope as a QB when your team passes almost 70% of the time.

I think Andy Reid's job should be in question before Donovan's. That fat son of a bitch can't keep his kids from doing crystal meth, let alone having grown men follow an offensive scheme he drew up on a fuckin Double Cheeseburger wrapper. Some of the worst crunch-time decision making in the game over the past few years has come from Andy Reid and company (Marty Mornhinweg is actually tops on my list).. Benching Donovan in a game you had a chance to win, then renaming him the starter 2 days later is just another one on the long list.
passer rating is a horrible indication of how good a quarterback is if you are comparing across generations of quarterbacks. if you want to compare contemporaries with it then fine, but any list comparing bart star and johnny unitas with daunte cullpepper is an exercise in the absurd IMO



Posted by: ReproMan

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passer rating is a horrible indication of how good a quarterback is if you are comparing across generations of quarterbacks. if you want to compare contemporaries with it then fine, but any list comparing bart star and johnny unitas with daunte cullpepper is an exercise in the absurd IMO
Ok, let's do it this way then:

Here are a few stats from Bart Starr, Johny Unitas, and Donovan McNabb in random order. Tell me which career stats belong to which QB:

A. 65% win percentage, 58% completion percentage, 1.65 TD per game avg
B. 60% win percentage, 57% completion percentage, .96 TD per game avg
C. 64% win percentage, 54% completion percentage, 1.56 TD per game avg


Source site: Pro-Football-Reference.com - Pro Football Statistics and History



Posted by: bio-chem

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Ok, let's do it this way then:

Here are a few stats from Bart Starr, Johny Unitas, and Donovan McNabb in random order. Tell me which career stats belong to which QB:

A. 65% win percentage, 58% completion percentage, 1.65 TD per game avg
B. 60% win percentage, 57% completion percentage, .96 TD per game avg
C. 64% win percentage, 54% completion percentage, 1.56 TD per game avg


Source site: Pro-Football-Reference.com - Pro Football Statistics and History
again back to the same argument. you can't compare those stats across those generations. The league and the game were/are different. 54% completion percentage then is way the hell better than a 58% completion now.

Who has the rings? who changed the position? who changed the sport? donavan McNabb is a great quarterback in our time. not of all time though



Posted by: ReproMan

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again back to the same argument. you can't compare those stats across those generations. The league and the game were/are different. 54% completion percentage then is way the hell better than a 58% completion now.

Who has the rings? who changed the position? who changed the sport? donavan McNabb is a great quarterback in our time. not of all time though
Not sure where you're getting this "greatest QB of all time bullshit", I never said anything about that...

Last time I checked though, winning games @ a high percentage was a pretty good indicator of talent, no matter when and what you play.

Look, I'm not saying that Donovan is one of the greatest QB's of all time (never did, never will). But what I am saying to the people that think he's complete shit is to look at the stats. His numbers compare with anyone in the history of the game.

You can't argue with the fact (well you can I'm sure) that he's won 65% of the games he's started, unless winning games doesn't transcend generations either which I'm sure we're bound to hear next...



Posted by: bio-chem

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Not sure where you're getting this "greatest QB of all time bullshit", I never said anything about that...

Last time I checked though, winning games @ a high percentage was a pretty good indicator of talent, no matter when and what you play.

Look, I'm not saying that Donovan is one of the greatest QB's of all time (never did, never will). But what I am saying to the people that think he's complete shit is to look at the stats. His numbers compare with anyone in the history of the game.

You can't argue with the fact (well you can I'm sure) that he's won 65% of the games he's started, unless winning games doesn't transcend generations either which I'm sure we're bound to hear next...
I think Donovan is a top 5 guy of his generation of quarterbacks. He is a great quarterback who is hardly washed up. I'm not calling for his head at all. I think he is still a great quarterback in the league and the eagles should leave him as a starter and weather this storm.

Michael Vick had a high winning percentage as well. comparing McNabb to some of the greatest qb's of all time is just a joke. he doesn't stand up to an Elway, Marino, Favre, Unitas, Manning. regardless of what statistic one wants to use.



Posted by: ReproMan

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I think Donovan is a top 5 guy of his generation of quarterbacks. He is a great quarterback who is hardly washed up. I'm not calling for his head at all. I think he is still a great quarterback in the league and the eagles should leave him as a starter and weather this storm.

Michael Vick had a high winning percentage as well. comparing McNabb to some of the greatest qb's of all time is just a joke. he doesn't stand up to an Elway, Marino, Favre, Unitas, Manning. regardless of what statistic one wants to use.
How about all of them?

You just named probably 5 of the 10 greatest QB's of all time, of course he's not on their level when it comes to awards in the trophy case, and once again, nobody is saying he is. However, his career stats on paper are just as impressive, and you'd have to be a complete idiot (or in your case just an argumentative fuck-head) to say otherwise. But since you contend that stats don't matter, the NFL might as well just stop keeping them, right?



Posted by: bio-chem

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How about all of them?

You just named probably 5 of the 10 greatest QB's of all time, of course he's not on their level when it comes to awards in the trophy case, and once again, nobody is saying he is. However, his career stats on paper are just as impressive, and you'd have to be a complete idiot (or in your case just an argumentative fuck-head) to say otherwise. But since you contend that stats don't matter, the NFL might as well just stop keeping them, right?
all right you stupid cunt. pull your head out your ass. I don't have a problem with donovan mcnabb. ive already said he is a good quarterback that should remain the starter. and i like stats just fine when they are put into perspective. (something you are absolutely incapable of grasping). i find "on paper" stats to be asinine. like i said, michael vick has a pretty high winning percentage as well, but i wouln't put his name on any list.

up until now i agreed with your point, i just felt the rational you were using to prove your argument was flawed. now i realize you are just a dumb ass. thats fine. now that it has been established it will be easier to deal with you.



Posted by: IainDaniel

a little sand in the vagina in this thread.



Posted by: ReproMan

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all right you stupid cunt. pull your head out your ass. I don't have a problem with donovan mcnabb. ive already said he is a good quarterback that should remain the starter. and i like stats just fine when they are put into perspective. (something you are absolutely incapable of grasping). i find "on paper" stats to be asinine. like i said, michael vick has a pretty high winning percentage as well, but i wouln't put his name on any list.

up until now i agreed with your point, i just felt the rational you were using to prove your argument was flawed. now i realize you are just a dumb ass. thats fine. now that it has been established it will be easier to deal with you.
You're such a loser.

There's no flaw to my rational, I was making the simple point that Donovan is better than most give him credit for AND YOU AGREE WITH ME YOU FUCKING IDIOT!!! But because you don't find merit in stats, my rational is flawed? You are such a pompous cocksucker.

I don't expect any less from you though. You do this every time you're wrong. You attempt to destroy the credibility of the person you're arguing with by insulting them, telling them their facts are somehow inadmissible, then sprinkling more bullshit on top all in hopes that somehow you can divert attention away from you being wrong.

Choke on a dick fuckface.



Posted by: P-funk

eh. i think mcnabb is over-rated.



Posted by: ReproMan

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eh. i think mcnabb is over-rated.




Posted by: min0 lee





Posted by: bio-chem

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a little sand in the vagina in this thread.
hahaha



Posted by: bio-chem

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You're such a loser.

There's no flaw to my rational, I was making the simple point that Donovan is better than most give him credit for AND YOU AGREE WITH ME YOU FUCKING IDIOT!!! But because you don't find merit in stats, my rational is flawed? You are such a pompous cocksucker.

I don't expect any less from you though. You do this every time you're wrong. You attempt to destroy the credibility of the person you're arguing with by insulting them, telling them their facts are somehow inadmissible, then sprinkling more bullshit on top all in hopes that somehow you can divert attention away from you being wrong.

Choke on a dick fuckface.
and im the one who name calls? you're argument is absolutely flawed. there are plenty of crappy quarterbacks who have a high winning percentage. (ive already given an example) and hall of fame quarterbacks with a low QB rating. there are also qb's with an amazing qb rating that in no way deserve hall of fame consideration. QB rating throughout the league is always going up. qb's of the 70's are lower than the 80's which are lower than the 90's and lower than today. what you are doing is comparing apples to oranges without acknowledging it for the sake of your own argument. in conclusion you are a dumb ass.



Posted by: ReproMan

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and im the one who name calls? you're argument is absolutely flawed. there are plenty of crappy quarterbacks who have a high winning percentage. (ive already given an example) and hall of fame quarterbacks with a low QB rating. there are also qb's with an amazing qb rating that in no way deserve hall of fame consideration. QB rating throughout the league is always going up. qb's of the 70's are lower than the 80's which are lower than the 90's and lower than today. what you are doing is comparing apples to oranges without acknowledging it for the sake of your own argument. in conclusion you are a dumb ass.
Michael Vick is one of the most gifted athletes to ever play in the NFL. He is so gifted in fact, he literally put the whole team on his back and carried them to the playoffs. He's probably the worst example you could have come up with actually, and his winning percentage is still 10 percent less than McNabb's, with considerably less time played.

I've already conceded to the fact that passer rating isn't the best way to go about valuing a QB which is why I presented the other stats. Not quite sure why you're still bringing this up...

Of course there are some shitty QB's with decent winning percentages, but they were on good teams with very different philosphies. Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson come to mind immidiately. They were asked not to lose games, allowing defense and a solid running attacks to win ballgames, opposed to what Andy Reid has asked of Donovan. There is just no arguing a QB's winning percentage when your offense passes almost 70% of the time!! Donovan has won 65% of the games he's started and was asked to carry most of the workload his entire career without anyone to even throw to for the bulk of it.

How people consider him overrated, and how you consider that comparing apples to oranges I guess is too much for this dumbass to comprehend..



Posted by: bio-chem

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Michael Vick is one of the most gifted athletes to ever play in the NFL. He is so gifted in fact, he literally put the whole team on his back and carried them to the playoffs. He's probably the worst example you could have come up with actually, and his winning percentage is still 10 percent less than McNabb's, with considerably less time played.

I've already conceded to the fact that passer rating isn't the best way to go about valuing a QB which is why I presented the other stats. Not quite sure why you're still bringing this up...

Of course there are some shitty QB's with decent winning percentages, but they were on good teams with very different philosphies. Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson come to mind immidiately. They were asked not to lose games, allowing defense and a solid running attacks to win ballgames, opposed to what Andy Reid has asked of Donovan. There is just no arguing a QB's winning percentage when your offense passes almost 70% of the time!! Donovan has won 65% of the games he's started and was asked to carry most of the workload his entire career without anyone to even throw to for the bulk of it.

How people consider him overrated, and how you consider that comparing apples to oranges I guess is too much for this dumbass to comprehend..
WOW. I understand now. You suck Donovans dick. dude what ever works for you



Posted by: min0 lee

I thought politics was a rough topic.



Posted by: P-funk

jeez...you guys are getting to personal over this.

anyway, the reason i think he is overrated is because people seem to give him a ton of credit when he hasn't been able to string together consistent seasons....he is injured, then he is healthy but the team is playing mediocre, then he gets injured and garcia comes in a navigates the team pretty well, then donovan comes back and they are okay but he gets injured again.

I think if he was healthy for a significant amount of time, we would be able to see what a great player he potentially could be (or could have been), but because things seem to be so up and down in his career, I think that he is more of a "could have been" type of player and people tend to give him the benefit of the doubt.



Posted by: xjohnnyjohnsonx

i think he needs to leave the chunky soup commercials alone and read the NFL rule book



Posted by: IainDaniel

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I think that he is more of a "could have been" type of player and people tend to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Cause he is black



Posted by: soxmuscle

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Cause he is black
I'm glad you brought this up:

Blacks can't win Super Bowls



Posted by: soxmuscle

I don't even understand whats being argued here.

If McNabb and some other stars have similar stats, why can't you argue that they had similar careers?



Posted by: Doublebase

Another blow out? We shall see.



Posted by: P-funk

thanksgiving football has been boring as shit this year!



Posted by: IainDaniel

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thanksgiving football has been boring as shit this year!
All those games were shit. I at least hoped for a decent game between Arizona and Philly, however I know that any west coast team that has travelled east to play hasn't won this year.... so I wasn't too optimistic.



Posted by: shiznit2169

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All those games were shit. I at least hoped for a decent game between Arizona and Philly, however I know that any west coast team that has travelled east to play hasn't won this year.... so I wasn't too optimistic.
They said last night that west coast teams traveling to the east coast are a combined 0-15 this year. Wow.



Posted by: I Are Baboon

The sports forum could use more non-MMA heated debates.

Red Sox vs Yankees ain't much of a debate anymore since the Yankees suck so horribly these days.



Posted by: Doublebase

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Originally Posted by I Are Baboon View Post
The sports forum could use more non-MMA heated debates.

Red Sox vs Yankees ain't much of a debate anymore since the Yankees suck so horribly these days.
Lets talk about the Detroit Lions.



Posted by: IainDaniel

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Lets talk about the Detroit Lions.

Will they win a game?



Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Will they win a game?
Their remaining schedule:

Minnesota
at Indianapolis
New Orleans
at Green Bay


I predict they will beat Green Bay week 17.



Posted by: IainDaniel

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Their remaining schedule:

Minnesota
at Indianapolis
New Orleans
at Green Bay


I predict they will beat Green Bay week 17.

HAHA.... that is what I keep thinking... and I am a Green Bay fan



Posted by: bio-chem

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passer rating is a horrible indication of how good a quarterback is if you are comparing across generations of quarterbacks. if you want to compare contemporaries with it then fine, but any list comparing bart star and johnny unitas with daunte cullpepper is an exercise in the absurd IMO
CHFF: Welcome to the Golden Age of Passing - NFL - SI.com



Posted by: ReproMan

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Nobody disagreed with you on this point. But returning to a thread a week later to pat yourself on the back further backs my point that you're a complete douche bag.








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