Originally Posted by lucifuge

I caught the fight on youtube...
he won by luck IMO.
I doubt he keeps the belt for long.

Originally Posted by Doublebase

Its your opinion but its wrong.

Originally Posted by lucifuge

Couture's leg buckled for some unknown reason and that was it.

Originally Posted by A Black Guy

It's called getting hit very hard in the head.

You should try it sometime.

Originally Posted by lucifuge

I dunno though, he backed off, looked fine, stepped back in and just fell down... looked odd.

Originally Posted by A Black Guy

Doesn't look odd to me.

Originally Posted by CORUM

yep punch to the back of the head (behind the ear) befor ethat lesnar couldnt do anything with that 220 pound old guy, "Randy has to move around a 270 pound guy" (lesnar's words) didnt look like randy had much problem moving him around or getting up after being taken down. all the lesnar nut huggers, where will you be when he loses the belt??? he is strong, but randy was handling him just fine, as i am sure others will be able to also. plus watch old lesnar's heart breaking in between rounds!!!! it looked like he was about to cry, because he couldnt control randy. but i will say one punch changes everything, so we will say lesnars has a punchers chance at any fight. a win is a win!!!!

Originally Posted by CORUM

anybody read matt hughes book???? lesnar tried to go to militech camp and hughs rolled with him and choked him out in no time!!! and that was using there wrestling back ground. if a guy that lesnar out weighs by about 100 pounds can choke him out there is problems for him in the HW division.

Originally Posted by CORUM

i would like to see a rematch between lesnar and randy. and i do not think lesnar improved much since the herring fight!!! i just dont see it!!! he tried to do the samething he did with herring, control him! when that didnt work he started throwing some punches, and he has a punchers chance!!! i mean shit like randy said "he a big sum bitch"

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

I would like to see him fight Gonzaga next.

Originally Posted by A Black Guy

I don't think he gets a fight before the Mir/Nog winner, so you'll have to wait.

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Yeah. I kinda figured that.

I don't see Nog losing to Mir. Nog will certainly be a good test, heavy hands, strong jaw, and serious BJJ skills.

Originally Posted by ReproMan

We've seen Lesnar improve exponentially in just 3 fights in the UFC. Against Mir he showed his lack of experience and being prepared for fighting on the big stage, he went a little crazy and got caught. Against Herring we saw him mature immensely, controlling the fight and doing what he needed to do to get 3 rounds of work in. Against Couture we saw a marked improvement in his stand-up, his ring control and his patience. What would happen when Brock fights a guy that he can't keep down? Would he panic and expend too much energy? Well we just found out, against one of the sport's all-time greats no less. While I agree Herring and Couture were good match-ups for Brock, Brock's sheer size/strength and athletic ability make him a bad match-up for anyone. Especially as he continues to expand his game.

Lesnar won the first round on all 3 judge's scorecards, and was getting the better of the stand-up in the second. His corner told him between rounds to focus on snapping his punches instead of winding up haymakers, and wouldn't you know, he comes out and lands a standing elbow that visibly rocked Randy early in the 2nd. He's big, he's strong, he's fast, he puts the gym time in, he's a quick study, and he's humble enough to listen to every word his trainers tell him and put it into action. The sky's the limit for Brock.

Originally Posted by ReproMan

We've seen Lesnar improve exponentially in just 3 fights in the UFC. Against Mir he showed his lack of experience and being prepared for fighting on the big stage, he went a little crazy and got caught. Against Herring we saw him mature immensely, controlling the fight and doing what he needed to do to get 3 rounds of work in. Against Couture we saw a marked improvement in his stand-up, his ring control and his patience. What would happen when Brock fights a guy that he can't keep down? Would he panic and expend too much energy? Well we just found out, against one of the sport's all-time greats no less. While I agree Herring and Couture were good match-ups for Brock, Brock's sheer size/strength and athletic ability make him a bad match-up for anyone. Especially as he continues to expand his game.

Lesnar won the first round on all 3 judge's scorecards, and was getting the better of the stand-up in the second. His corner told him between rounds to focus on snapping his punches instead of winding up haymakers, and wouldn't you know, he comes out and lands a standing elbow that visibly rocked Randy early in the 2nd. He's big, he's strong, he's fast, he puts the gym time in, he's a quick study, and he's humble enough to listen to every word his trainers tell him and put it into action. The sky's the limit for Brock.

Originally Posted by CORUM

DOMS, REPROMAN good points! but about him not being able to keep a guy done, he couldn't keep Randy down!!! and i seen it in him it was breaking him down mentally after the first round!!! that said if someone like randy pushes him past the second, then third round we will see this guys mental toughness (maybe i should have been using that instead of heart) i think he will break. but once he is pushe into the deep rounds it will make him stronger mentally, i just don't think he is there yet. yes he went three rounds with herring, but herring just took an ass whoopin for three rounds. he couldn't do anything!!! randy would get taken down, get back up, get into a small exchange with him and then back out!!! that shit will wear on you!!! when a guy will stand in there mix it up to let you know he aint scared to trade with you then move around. so you take him down and he stands up and trades with you again. that is mentally tiring. i think if he has the same scenerio as he did with randy but it goes into deeper rounds he will not be able to handle it. just think if you was so much bigger then a guy and he would trade a few with you and you take him down and he just gets back up, what would that do to you mentally???? especially when deep in your mind you know all you have is size and strength and no technique, none of your strengths are working. i say give him awhile and brock will be something, i think a big difference between him and big tim is brock has the potential and tim is just a lug!!!

Originally Posted by CORUM

i find it funny he doesn't want to train at any camp cause what i heard from a lot of people that he is week and pretty much quits easy. but of course that was two years ago, he is probably getting more comfortable.

Originally Posted by ReproMan

Brock is a wrestler, a grinder, just like Randy. Being a former NCAA champion, he understands what it's like to compete multiple times a day, even when he's exhausted. Like Randy, Brock has has tremendous heart. While I agree Randy's only chance in that fight was to wear Brock down, take him into deep water and break him down mentally, I sure a shit didn't see any signs of it, in fact I saw the exact opposite. A defeated fighter wouldn't have gone back to his corner and done exactly what his trainers told him to do. He would have quit, much like Gonzaga and Tito did vs. Randy. Ultimately, Brock proved that Randy was simply denying the inevitable every time they clinched. The longer Randy kept Brock in close, the less chance he had of getting KO'd by him, which was the gameplan, but Brock proved to be too big, strong and long. And of course Randy was going to keep getting up, it's Randy Couture!! Brock was prepared for that. Hell even Herring got back up to his feet on a few occasions! You'd think that would have bothered Brock more than Randy getting up considering Herring's complete lack of a wrestling pedigree and takedown defense. But in both cases, he kept plodding along.

In the end, nobody is saying that Brock is the be-all end-all mixed martial artist at this point of his career. But what people are saying is that he's so freakishly athletic, his physical gifts more than compensate for what he lacks technically. Once he gets a few more years of training under his belt....

Originally Posted by DOMS

I agree with most of what you said, but Brock appeared to already be huffing and puffing near the beginning of round 2. For obvious reasons, his gas tank isn't that big.

But when you hit like a sledge hammer, I guess you don't need to.

The really funny thing (in regards to him being freakish) he had to struggle to make 265!

Originally Posted by CORUM

reproman he has been to more camps than just miletich, he went to just about every top quality training camp, but didn't stay at any of them!!! and not just brad imes, little 200 pound hughes also. at least brad was closer to his size but damn you out weigh hughes by about 100 pounds and he ended you QUICK???? are you serious??? he should at least controlled hughes since he was a GREAT wrestler. but whatever he has improved since two years ago. and liek DOMS said he hits like a sledgehammer, he has a punchers chance with ANYONE

Originally Posted by AKIRA

I was waiting for you to chime in. I grow tired of defending someones ability with internet experts. Err, experts who hardly even come into the MMA thread, no less.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

because having a lot of posts in an online forum makes you an MMA expert?

Originally Posted by CORUM

REPRO they were the most vocal about it. brad imes who is he anyway?? lol

Originally Posted by CORUM

nobody was arguing what ifs!! i think your the one bringing brock/randy back up. i believe it was said and done with. my argument was let him do something that is worth mentioning before people start riding his nuts!!!! if you hit like a sledghammer you will always have a chance at any fight, that doesn't mean your anything special. look how many people talk shit about chuck that all he can do is get a lucky shot and knock people out. (i've heard it on this forum many times, even though im never on here ) so what has brock shown us that is worth talking about??? one knock out compare to how many other people have had???