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Posted by: Smudge

Hi all,

Have been reading this forum for a good while but have always been a background lurker, but have finally got the courage to post.

Ive been working out for roughly 5 years and have been taking it serious for the past 3years. In the past ive taken sus, deca, d-bol etc and had some really good gains from them.

After a bit of advice from my friend (that has now moved away........nice of him!) I have just bought some wildcat cypenan 400 (25ml) and also some wildcat trenolic 100 (20ml). I was wondering how i should take these, do i need to front load on any of them? How many jabs should i have a week and how much should i put into every jab?

Im sorry if it seems too many questions for my first post but since my friend moved away i havent got any one to ask. Im looking to bulk over the next 6 - 8 weeks.

Many thanks for your help and your time in reading this message.

Again - any help would be greatly appreciated.

Posted by: kicka19

Posted by: Smudge

Sorry?

Posted by: ROID

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Originally Posted by kicka19

I'm sure he means well.

That information is easily accessed. Look up steroid half-life. That will give you an idea of injection intervals.

What is the ester attached to the Tren ? acetate, enathate(slp) ..? I'm not familiar with the brand.

Eitherway, from my go around with Tren it is hands down superior to any other substance. It also came with the greatest side effects for me including sleeplessness along with night sweats, acne, high blood pressure, and anxiety. Other than being restless the other negatives were minor. This was at a dose of 700mg/week. It may effect you in different way. If I had the chance to reconsider using tren, I would have never touched it. Oh well, i've been bitten by the tren bug and somehow i've justified myself in using. If you choose the same path be prepared for some negative effects along with some very impressive positive effects.

Posted by: largepkg

As far as I'm concerned tren is the devil! I ran one cycle and yes the strength gains were on the level of superman status but I paid a severe price. Along with severe elbow tendinitis I also tore my labrum some time after the cycle.

For me the potential for injury and the sides that were mentioned don't justify it's use.

Posted by: ZECH

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Originally Posted by ROID

You used too much. A first time user can get by with 50mg, up to 75mg eod.

Posted by: ROID

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Originally Posted by dg806

You used too much. A first time user can get by with 50mg, up to 75mg eod.

That was my third go around over a 28 month period @ 8 weeks per cycle. Although even in the beginning , looking back, i did start too high @75mg ed. If I ever choose to use tren again it will only be @50mg ed.

Posted by: VictorZ06

75mg ed is my sweet spot. At 100mg ed, I just start getting mad at the sky. ha

Posted by: Smudge

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Originally Posted by VictorZ06

75mg ed is my sweet spot. At 100mg ed, I just start getting mad at the sky. ha

So what are we saying? 50mg per week? Is that for just tren or 50mg of both so its a 100mg? Split into 3 intervals? Monday, Wednesday and Friday? Sorry for asking so many questions, since my friend has gone i have no one to ask and i want to get this sorted properly.

Does any one know of anything i could read to help me with my info on cycles?

Posted by: VictorZ06

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Originally Posted by Smudge

For tren, I would advise starting at 50mg eod and see where that puts you. If you can handle more, do so. It took some time (trial & error) for me to find my optimal dose without going nuts. I can handle 100mg ed, I just become very on edge and I can loose my temper real quick.

At too high a dose you turn into the HULK. I shit you not. With the little AAS experience that you have, I would run both the test and tren like this (assuming you have tren ace).

12 weeks

1-12 test cyp @ 400-600mg ew (pin MWF)
1-10 tren ace @ 200-300mg ew (pin EOD)

I usually dose my tren to be about half of what my test dose is...same with EQ and deca.

Be sure to run anti-e and HCG during your cycle and have a well planed PCT. Don't sweat about asking questions, learn as much as you can bro.

Is your tren ace? How much have you ran in the past, what doses? How much test do you normally use? These answers can better help figure out a proper dose for ya. Do you have PCT planned out?

BTW, if you have tren enan, it's gonna be more of bitch to gauge.

Posted by: Smudge

Many thanks for your reply. Its really helped me loads.

My tren is tren acetate and its the first time ive run tren and cyp together. Will i get good gains using these? In the past ive 250 - 300mg a week and had some good gains off it.

I havent got a PCT sorted out. I was thinking of getting some after xmas now, i havent started this course yet, so thinking of doing so first week of Jan and then buying some PCT the same time.

Posted by: KungFu

Never heard of wildcat but if it real you will get good gains if its not well you know the rest

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Originally Posted by Smudge

Many thanks for your reply. Its really helped me loads.

My tren is tren acetate and its the first time ive run tren and cyp together. Will i get good gains using these? In the past ive 250 - 300mg a week and had some good gains off it.

I havent got a PCT sorted out. I was thinking of getting some after xmas now, i havent started this course yet, so thinking of doing so first week of Jan and then buying some PCT the same time.

Posted by: VictorZ06

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Originally Posted by Smudge

IF you ran 300mg a week and didn't suffer from any sides, I'd up the dose to 400-500mg. You will most certainly get good gains out of this program granted your diet is proper and that you train correctly. If you feel awkward on 400-500mg, or if you get some of the sides bad and can't deal with it, drop it back down to where you are comfortable at.

One thing I STRONGLY suggest is that you get ALL your anti-e and PCT products in hand before you start your cycle. I've heard of too many guys not being able to find any clomid, nolva, hcg, adex...nothing because the source was out of stock and they didn't buy all their shit before they started. You don't want this to happen, start when you have everything in hand bro. Good luck!

Posted by: Smudge

many many thanks for your help on this one. I really do appreciate all your input. Ill keep you updated with it all when i start early January. Again, thank you.

Posted by: ROID

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Originally Posted by Smudge

With an acetate you need to inject at least EOD. I prefer everyday based on my calculations. In all honesty I really think you need to do a lot more reading before you attempt anything. You're asking some very basic questions and there is enough information on any anabolic forum to educate yourself enough to make your own decision. I would just leave the tren off for this cycle and stick to test.

Look up steriod half-lifes for a good starting point.

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