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Posted by: r00kie

I read here that sust results in less water retention and gyno compared to test E/test C

How To Use Sustanon, Dosage, Side Effects

Is it true? what is the reason?

Thanks.

Posted by: VictorZ06

Sust is not really meant for BB. I'd stick to just one type of test.

Sustanon is used in testosterone replacement therapy for male sexual problems for example:

* after castration or a similar problem called eunuchoidism
* impotence caused by hormonal disorders
* decreased sex drive
* infertility caused by low sperm count
* bone loss caused by low hormone levels
* when the pituitary gland cannot work as well as it should (hypopituitarism); this can cause decreased sexual ability in males.

It is also given to patients to induce masculinisation in female-to-male transsexuals.

Posted by: kicka19

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Originally Posted by VictorZ06

Sust is not really meant for BB. I'd stick to just one type of test.

Sustanon is used in testosterone replacement therapy for male sexual problems for example:

* after castration or a similar problem called eunuchoidism
* impotence caused by hormonal disorders
* decreased sex drive
* infertility caused by low sperm count
* bone loss caused by low hormone levels
* when the pituitary gland cannot work as well as it should (hypopituitarism); this can cause decreased sexual ability in males.

It is also given to patients to induce masculinisation in female-to-male transsexuals.

I disagree, i have never used sust and personally stick with E n prop but sust is easily used for BB, it is still test and works the exact same way, just differet esters clumped 2gther

Posted by: largepkg

Test is test. I've used them all and see no appreciable difference.

Simply a matter of how long it takes to enter and leave the system.

Posted by: VictorZ06

Due to the combination of small, medium and long acting esters, the compound is not easily controllable.

So for use as one would use another long-acting testosterone, I find sustanon to be poor value. The price is roughly the same so I really don't see the affinity people seem to have for it. Respectively cypionate and enanthate are much better choices. I can understand the need for a fast-acting component to front-load and kick-start gains, but even then, testoviron (200 mg testosterone enanthate and 50 mg testosterone propionate) is a much better choice.

Sustanon 250 is a unique blend of 4 different esters of testosterone. The principle purpose of attaching an ester to a steroid is to make it more lipophillic, so that when injected intra-muscularly it can remain in the adipose tissue longer and is released in the blood-stream over time. The longer an ester, the more lipophillic it is. Sustanon 250 contain 1 short, 1 long and 2 medium length esters that are all delivered over time, which gives a quick release, but a durable one as well. You may think that this is a positive thing, and to patients requiring testosterone therapy this probably is, but to a steroid user its really not. For use as a long acting testosterone, sustanon is a poor choice over enanthate of cypionate. For the purpose of front loading, sustanon may be an excellent choice to kick start a mass building cycle with other testesterons in the mix at a later date within the same cycle. It takes a long time for all its blend of 4 testosterone esteres to fully activate.

I have been BB for 12 years now and have been using AAS for almost 10. I have run 14 week programs with sustanon before, and I was not as happy with my end results. Test is test, I agree...but this stuff is really a pain in the ass to use because of all the different esters and half lives.

You can also google some of this info so you can see for yourself. Don't get me wrong, it's not bad stuff....there are just many better options out there to pick from depending on what your goals are. I won't wast my time with it again to be honest.

Posted by: r00kie

Yes I agree that Sustanon contains different esters that released over time. But isnt that a good thing? Why is that a pain?

Posted by: VictorZ06

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Originally Posted by r00kie

Yes I agree that Sustanon contains different esters that released over time. But isnt that a good thing? Why is that a pain?

For one, it's a pain because you have to hit it ED or EOD because of the short acting esters (prop). Where as with enanthate, you could get away with 1 or 2 shots a week. And second, it takes over 4 months to clear sust from your system, so recovery will be much more intense and difficult. You won't begin to recover natural HPTA function until months after your last shot with sustanon.

If you are going to be pinning ED/EOD I would much rather use prop. And for BB purposes, having 4 different esters is not to our advantage. How did you plan on using sustanon?

Take a look at this article, might shed some light.

Steroid Encyclopaedia Blog » Blog Archive » So You Want To Use Sustanon 250 huh???

Also, run a search about the "sustanon flu". Some may call it a myth, but it made me feel like shit at times. Men have reported: cases of impotence, chronic priapism, epididymitis, inhibition of testicular function, oligospermia, and bladder irritability. Some people that take Sustanon 250 have reported "flu like" symptoms as well. These symptoms include a higher than normal fever, stomach aches, being tired, etc.

When I tried sustanon on a heavy dose, I felt really groggy and I did get stomach pains. I would get "pumps" at random times, the pump feel you want at the gym, I would sometimes get it before bed. Not fun. I almost felt like I had an ulcer using this stuff. Some, have had no problems at all with it. We all react differently to different substances.

There are many articles floating around out there that can further explain why sust is not the best choice of test to use. It was even covered here on this board a few times, run a search.

Posted by: r00kie

Thanks man!

Posted by: sendit08

A friend of mine and I recently got into a discussion on how we think would be the best way to use sust.
I had put this in my own thread but nobody replied so i thought i would put it in this thread since it gels right into the main topic.
so here it is...
his plan : 250mg twice per week for 8 weeks.
my theory (he wants an 8 week cycle) : 250mg every other day for two weeks... then two weeks off allowing the longer lasting esters to do their work ... then repeat that once more and after the two weeks off he can start PCT. It also seems like since the minority of the substance is shorter lasting esters it should be taking more frequently at the begining of a cycle.
Which way do you think is better and why?
I realize that they both may work but we kind of got into a
"who's idea is better" debate

Posted by: r00kie

"who's idea is better" depends on which idea results in a more uniform/consistent test levels.

For example, if a guy is injecting 500mg/week of test E (say 14 days half-life), his body will use (500/4=125)mg in 1st week. (375+500)/4 mg in 2nd week and so on.

You could do the same math for sust and see for yourself.

Posted by: VictorZ06

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Originally Posted by sendit08

his plan : 250mg twice per week for 8 weeks.
my theory (he wants an 8 week cycle) : 250mg every other day for two weeks... then two weeks off allowing the longer lasting esters to do their work ... then repeat that once more and after the two weeks off he can start PCT. It also seems like since the minority of the substance is shorter lasting esters it should be taking more frequently at the begining of a cycle.
Which way do you think is better and why?
I realize that they both may work but we kind of got into a
"who's idea is better" debate

I would not advise either of the plans, especially your friend's. Sust at 250mg 2X a week is a waste of gear. The shorter acting esters will dissipate and will be out of his system. Sust HAS to be hit ED/EOD for it's full effect as I stated above as well as in the article I posted.

During any cycle, you don't ever want to stop/pause taking test unless it's a long lasting ester like enan and you want to cut it shorter at the very end so that you don't have all that test in your system during PCT. (I do this with deca) Also, if I'm running enan, I will switch over to prop for the last 3 weeks...recovery is twice as fast and my blood work has proven this to me. Reason being enan is out of my system, and prop only takes a day or so to leave, letting me start PCT with closer to normal levels.

Now, if for some reason (and I can't think why) you want to take a 2 week break during your cycle, use prop because once again you will be wasting a good portion of the sust. Only part of it will be working, the shorter acting esters will have stopped taking effect.

This is the advantage of using short acting esters, you can control it on the fly. Same applies to tren A and tren E.

The best way IMHO to run sust is to use it to frontload (still rather use prop), and two weeks later switch over to enan or cyp...and at the last 2-3 weeks, switch back over to prop. It's always best to end/close your cycle with short esters. You don't want all that AAS still in your system come PCT. Others may have different opinions, just ask for some reasoning behind their thought. There was a graph made that showed a comparison of t levels in ones system comparing prop, enan, sust, and cyp. I can't find it, if you come across it...post it up. Be safe and good luck.

Posted by: ironbull

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Originally Posted by VictorZ06

It is also given to patients to induce masculinisation in female-to-male transsexuals.

so what your saying is sustanon is only good for trannys???

Posted by: VictorZ06

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Originally Posted by ironbull

so what your saying is sustanon is only good for trannys???

No, I stated several of it's legal and intended purposes. That was one of them.

Posted by: yoxtheox

my god..use what works best for you. i have read just about all you can read about steroids. one person says one thing and some other person says another. maybe there both right..maybe there both wrong. who cares ..half of the people that right this stuff never even done a cycle.

Posted by: diablomex

ive done sust before,and i didnt get much out of it.i got more out of doing some prohormones.and i think that maybe ,what someone said before its true,see what works for you but safely.but, damn it hurts the pocketbook,when it doesnt.

Posted by: r00kie

yeah man. another constraint is time. since we can do only max 2-3 cycles per year, its important that we get it right. sad that consistent info is not available.

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