here is the run down.. i thought i had some hcg and i do but its been mixed and at least three months old. now it has been in the fridge, but i dont think its good anymore. i was wondering if there is any home remedy's that might help get my natural test back a little quicker. i have been takin some nxlabs t3 which is a test booster. but i feel that there is something better out there
Posted by: VictorZ06
Use what you have. It's starts to break down 60 days after it's been mixed in the fridge. You won't get the full effect, but it's better than nothing. Besides, not everyone uses it during PCT. I use it while on and for post. Did you use it while on cycle? How heavy was your run?
Posted by: yoxtheox
no i didnt use it because i was on a "light cycle". 250mg deca 250 sustanon for eight weeks
Posted by: VictorZ06
There is some stuff called orathin out there that claims to be an HCG alternative. I think it's BS and wouldn't waste my time with it though. HCG is easy to come across...you shouldn't have too much trouble tracking some down. Good luck bro.
Posted by: ZECH
You need nolva, clomid or torem. HCG is used mainly on cycle.
Posted by: VictorZ06
Still, at the doses you were running, HCG would have helped, be it light or not. Don't forget to use it next time, at those doses...500iu (or 250iu 2X ew) every week would have helped. I use HCG in my PCT as well.
I'd look into adex as well. Nolva could make things worst, it has for some. Good luck.
Posted by: quark
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Originally Posted by VictorZ06
I use HCG in my PCT as well.
Interesting. I agree with using on cycle but how long are your cycles? A normal 12-14 week cycle + say 2 weeks before you start pct + pct of even only 4 weeks seems like a long time to be on hcg... right or wrong?
Posted by: VictorZ06
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Originally Posted by jchappj
Interesting. I agree with using on cycle but how long are your cycles? A normal 12-14 week cycle + say 2 weeks before you start pct + pct of even only 4 weeks seems like a long time to be on hcg... right or wrong?
This is a very long argued debate that has been around for a while. I usually run 14 week programs (with at least 1 gr of test in it) and I hit HCG at 500iu every week (have done e5d as well). Different methods work for different people, and the type of cycle also plays a significant role on how and how much HCG you should use.
Some will hit it e5d. I've experimented with HCG on many occasions during PCT. Bottom line is to get back to normal as soon as possible. I have run identical cycles with several different methods of PCT but I'll explain the HCG part.
When I hit my last shot of AAS, I take 2500iu of HCG. This lets my body know that my cycle is ending and it's time to get back to normal. The following week, I will take 1000iu (or 2X500iu ew...have also done 1500iu) until my PCT is complete.
My PCT is usually 4 weeks using clomophine (clomid). Comparing blood work that I had done after some of these cycles, I noticed my body reaching normal levels much faster when I used HCG during post as well. My balls hardly shrink at all while on and during post, and I run rather heavy programs. My sex drive also does not change during post while using HCG during PCT.
Also, to help in the aid of my PCT, I will cut any long acting esters 2-3 weeks before my cycle is done. For example, if I'm running test e, I will switch to prop at the end so that there is less test in my system come PCT.
Same with deca, that lingers for a very long time, I just cut it all together 3 weeks before my cycle is over. I'll replace it with some winny to harden things up at times.
Some use it during PCT, some don't. If you run a very light cycle, you may not need to. I've been in the game for over 10 years so my cycles are heavier than most. What works for me may not work for you.
I can say for sure that using at least SOME HCG during post is certainly a plus in my book.