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Originally Posted by IainDaniel
How are the shoulders now? What did you have done?
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Originally Posted by Pirate!
I haven't experienced improved recovery yet, unfortunately. However, my libido has gone way up. My test levels are already in the upper end of natural range from TRT, but this topical DHEA is making a noticable difference in that department.
It's pretty early on, but I can say that 1-T does not give me the instant gratification of a good oral, like H-Drol. Then again, oral 1-ad took weeks to do it's magic. |
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Originally Posted by Pirate!
I'm in caloric defecit of ~500 calories per day. The fat is coming off nicely, and I'm having a slight improvement in definition.
No performance increase on this diet, but I'm going to add more carbs/calories next week for my shock week. I feel really good. |
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Originally Posted by PreMier
have you noticed any weight gain, or strength increases (even ever so slight?)
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Originally Posted by Primordial
We are noticing guys are dropping a lot of bodyfat while on 1-T… like its acting more as a cutting than a bulker…
Did you happen to get your BF checked prior to starting Pirate? -Eric |
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Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563
That is odd because my experience with 1-TU was something like 18lbs gained in 6 weeks. I gained a ton of strength too. I wasn't dieting to but, but I cant say I ate anymore then normal either.
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Originally Posted by dg806
These two are not even close. Just remember, Totally different compounds.
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I am pissed Nutrex has stopped making that product in every country. I would drive up to Canada on a weekend to stock up on that stuff without a doubt if it was still sold. I had a great 1TU experience.|
Originally Posted by flashinglights
Wow, this stuff has to go through 2 enzymatic conversions for it to work?
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Originally Posted by flashinglights
60 bucks is a lot to pay. I sure wouldn't risk paying that much for something that might not work when I coul get havoc or superdrol for half the price.
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Originally Posted by Pirate!
If a product is effective and a healthy alternative to harsh orals then $2.50 a day isn't really all that much.
Having said that, I don't have enough in my budget to buy a second bottle and run at a higher dose. I think this dose is too low for me. I'm going up to 6 pumps a day for the remainder of the cycle. |
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Originally Posted by Mags
If this 1-T turns out to be as effective as we all hope, is it worth throwing it in with my H-drol cycle, or is there no real need for it? Also, how severe are the sides on this? I did oral 1-Test ages ago and it kicked the piss out of my hair. I'm prone to MPB so it's no surprise, but will this 1-T be just as harsh?
Cheers. |
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Originally Posted by Primordial
Weve had a very low incidence of side-effects reported from the 1-T. The worst probably being reduced libido after a few weeks… and maybe some acne. It’s not going to cause problems with the liver though since its non-methylated.
Hdrol and 1-T should be a great stack. I know guys have been doing very well with epistane (havoc) and pplex with 1-T. BTW, we just launched our NEW YEARS sale… check it out Primordial Performance -Eric |
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Originally Posted by Mags
Does the reduced libido mean lack of interest in sex, or a more physical effect where it's tougher to get a rod on? I'm keeping tuned to this log as I'm quite keen to give this a whirl when running the Hdrol.
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Originally Posted by Mags
Firstly, at 4 pumps a day/27 applications, one tube of 1-T should technically last for approximately 4 weeks, is that correct? If so, is this going to be enough time to see optimum gains, or would a 6-week duration be more effective?
Secondly, if I have a four-week supply of 1-T, whereabouts should I fit it into my 8-week Hdrol cycle - start, middle or end? Lastly, I was planning on running 100mg Hdrol ED. Is it still worth running this higher dose if I'm going to incorporate the 1-T? Thanks. |
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Originally Posted by Mags
Yeah, I assume a higher dose and a longer duration would yield better results, but the dose and duration I'd use with 1-T is dictated by cost. With a snowboarding holiday coming up, I can only afford 1 tube, so wanted to know if one would be effective. Also, I was only gonna run four pumps a day as I'd want it to last the full four weeks, and because I thought I wouldn't need to go too nuts if I was running high doses of Hdrol alongside it. Ideally, two tubes would be good, but I wanna wait and see how this product works out before I buy one let alone consider stretching to buy two.
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Originally Posted by Primordial
If you grab the twin pack and apply the 10% off discount SPONSOR10 you can save about $25.
The 4 pumps per day with only 1 bottle would be a good stack with the Hdrol. Id probably use it during the first 4 weeks. -Eric |
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Originally Posted by Primordial
If you grab the twin pack and apply the 10% off discount SPONSOR10 you can save about $25.
The 4 pumps per day with only 1 bottle would be a good stack with the Hdrol. Id probably use it during the first 4 weeks. -Eric |
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Originally Posted by flashinglights
Is a SERM recommended with this product? I can't imagine it not, if it really does cause a 10-15 pound increase in lean mass. If I could run this without a serm I'd pay the 60 bucks. Otherwise it's Epistane/Nolva
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Originally Posted by Pirate!
Starting Monday, I'm going to add 50 mg/day of H-drol on lifting days to assess how well these stack.
I've noticed some headache/neck tension in the middle of the night about 3 nights a week since I've been on 1-T. 800 mg ibuprofen sets it straight everytime, though. 1-T estergels were way worse in this regard. |
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Originally Posted by flashinglights
Is a SERM recommended with this product? I can't imagine it not, if it really does cause a 10-15 pound increase in lean mass. If I could run this without a serm I'd pay the 60 bucks. Otherwise it's Epistane/Nolva
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Originally Posted by Primordial
If you are saturated prohormone/steroid user then 1-T isn’t going to put on another 15lbs, but if you are fairly sensitive to the effects of androgens and can ramp up the diet it’s a very real possibility. [there are some awesome 1-T logs going on at AM, PP, OLM, ect]
And no, you really don’t need nolva with 1-T. The Testosterone Recovery Stack is more than enough for PCT. I really don’t advise nolva or clomid use anymore. If you know how to use hCG correctly during a longer cycle, then there is no need for these SERM’s. -Eric |
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Originally Posted by Pirate!
Starting Monday, I'm going to add 50 mg/day of H-drol on lifting days to assess how well these stack.
I've noticed some headache/neck tension in the middle of the night about 3 nights a week since I've been on 1-T. 800 mg ibuprofen sets it straight everytime, though. 1-T estergels were way worse in this regard. |
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Originally Posted by Mags
How long would I need to run HCG then? The duration of the cycle, or towards the end? Also, if anyone knows where I can grab some could you PM me?
Cheers. |
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Originally Posted by Primordial
You won’t need hCG for only a 6 week cycle.. Id say anything longer and it would be a good idea though.
-Eric |
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Originally Posted by PreMier
are you using hcg at all?
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Originally Posted by Pirate!
I've still got a half of a bottle to finish. I would recommend this product to people who understand that it's not a serious mass builders. It's a safe an effective way to add some mass, lose some fat, and feel great with no adverse health effects.
If you are used to the instant gratification of a cycle of harsh orals every couple months, you may be disappointed with it. Ideal scenario is this: 1) You've been hormone free for 3+ months or are a newb to prohormones. and 2) You go through 2 bottles, using HCG while on. With the above and the right diet, many will find 1-T greatly assist a recomp. I like it alot, although it isn't a big mass builder. The only sides have been benefits for me while on TRT. |
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Originally Posted by Pirate!
Well, I finished the cycle a good while ago. A rough estimate would be that I gained and kept up to two pounds of muscle and lost 3 pounds of fat. Felt great with zero sides and bloodwork was fine.
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Originally Posted by Pirate!
The most profound benefit for me was the nutrient partitioning and a little hardening. I wan't disappointed, and I think a higher concentrate would have yielded better results. I had to apply a ton of lotion. It's a good option for newbies, but I've done a fair amount of gear in the past.
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Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563
it won't be long before that is discovered and ruined. And the reality is if such a great product gets made we won't know about it....
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Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563
1-TU and other old PS are a thing of the past. I think these supplement companies are grasping at straws trying to make a near steroid product. For the poor return on investment aspect of these compounds I wouldn't even consider taking them. There is no such thing as near gear anymore, and I think the laws governing this has made it near impossible to make something like the old PS ever again. It will have to be some crazy breakthrough in science that creates the next breed of steroids, and it won't be long before that is discovered and ruined. And the reality is if such a great product gets made we won't know about it...sport athletes will use it for years before anyone tries to market it to the general public for consumption.
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Originally Posted by Primordial
19-nor (TREN) is pretty damn real and is a very potent anabolic. (only requires one conversion to become dienolone which has the same anabolic and androgenic binding affinity as nandrolone... although it tends to be more characteristic of trenbolone)
Odds are it will be banned within the next 6 months… but then again, its been on the market for awhile and its been clean thus far… -Eric |
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Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563
That is like saying 1-AD is just as good as taking 1-T...can you compare the two just because 1-AD is supposed to turn into 1-T? I took both and they are nothing close to the same at all.
Until someone that has taken tren before takes TREN and confims this product comes even close to the real thing I have to just label as mentioned before. If dienolone is similar to nandrolone, but plays out like trenbolone I have to question how this product didn't come from a shot in the dark that happened to do something. |
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Originally Posted by Primordial
Dienolone's structure is right inbetween nandrolone and trenbolone, but since it doesnt aromatize, its a bit more like trenbolone.
Dienolone is a readily available steroidial intermediate used in China to produce trenbolone. They just attach anther double bond to it to enhance the androgen/progestin binding affinity. (to make it as strong as possible for those heifers) Ive used both trenbolone and the 19-nor dienolone precursor and I can say without a doubt that it is comparable… but obviously not as powerful as tren… but still plenty powerful to make very considerable gains. -Eric |
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Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563
I have never used tren due to the high risk of increased anxiety. I have issues with anxiety/panic without gear so on most compounds I do get increased anxiety. Some worse then others but with the side effect being common with tren I have never used it. Do you have an opinion if "tren" the supplement has the same anxiety side effects as the real deal? If not maybe I would give it a run for 6-8 weeks to see what results are noted. I have not been very motivated to do another AAS cycle, but might try and keep an open mind.
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Originally Posted by Primordial
I’ve actually never head of trenbolone causing “anxiety”, but I know it causes “aggression” and “sensitivity to things that make you annoyed”… and our 1-T TREN seems to have the same effect…. Buts its not like an uncomfortable nervous anxiety time feel…. Its more of a motivation to do stuff type feel.
Hell if you are anxiety prone you may want to consider the Sustain Alpha. The 7,8-benzoflavone has some great anti-anxiety benefits. -Eric |
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Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563
2mg xanax seems to work wonders for my anxiety...best benzo I know of
Is that an anti-anxiety supplement, or PH/PS type drug? I had heard trenbolone isn't a good steriod of choice for anxiety prone people. I had issues even on 150mg EOD of test propionate, and quite a bit actually on 500mg EW of Enanthate/300mg deca. I am not sure why the steroids increased my anxiety, but it did. All gear use was before taking anything to control anxiety. I assume I could control the anxiety much better now. |
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Originally Posted by Primordial
Yeah, the Sustain Alpha is a PCT / testosterone boosting product… but it just so happens to have some great anti-anxiety effects.
-Eric |
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Originally Posted by abomb555
i'm a HUGE fan of the TRS !!!
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