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Posted by: Robert D.

egotistical, immature little bitch.

Posted by: dg806

Wait, what? I thought you liked Jay?

Posted by: P-funk

where was he shipped to?

what a baby!

Posted by: Robert D.

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Originally Posted by dg806

Wait, what? I thought you liked Jay?

I did until this crap.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

I hope he goes to the Jets. 25 TDs and 18 INT, I wouldn't mind 2 free wins against the Jets.

BTW, he is severely overrated, his passing stats are padded by his lack of running game. I like how they always blame it on the defense. As far as I remember, it wasn't the defense that threw almost 20 INTs and fumbled that ball Hoculi blew the call on.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

Josh McDaniels should be fired for the way he's handled this. A head coach with no experience is a lot easier to replace than a franchise quarterback.

I do agree that Jay Cutler needs to get over himself, but that does not change the fact that McDaniels completely botched this up.

Posted by: soxmuscle

IAB, why?

Do teams not have the right to try and upgrade where they see fit?

McDaniels pondering the idea of acquiring Matt Cassel and trading Cutler for picks isn't wrong.

In fact, I would probably make that trade. Get a 1st and a 3rd from the Jets for Cutler, trade your 2nd rounder for Matt Cassel.. they get an extra pick, that was higher than the 2nd rounder they gave up and get a quarterback whose more than serviceable and will most likely be pretty darn good.

I see where Cutler is coming from but the right thing to do would be to come out and prove the doubters wrong.

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

IAB, why?

Do teams not have the right to try and upgrade where they see fit?

McDaniels pondering the idea of acquiring Matt Cassel and trading Cutler for picks isn't wrong.

In fact, I would probably make that trade. Get a 1st and a 3rd from the Jets for Cutler, trade your 2nd rounder for Matt Cassel.. they get an extra pick, that was higher than the 2nd rounder they gave up and get a quarterback whose more than serviceable and will most likely be pretty darn good.

I see where Cutler is coming from but the right thing to do would be to come out and prove the doubters wrong.

teams do have the right to upgrade. cassel is not an upgrade. franchise quarterbacks that can be around for 10+ years come along how often? mcdaniels will last 3 years with denver. maybe. without cutler this is a 4-5 win team. denver has taken a step backwards this off season. this goes to the top. i blame bowlen.

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

Josh McDaniels should be fired for the way he's handled this. A head coach with no experience is a lot easier to replace than a franchise quarterback.

I do agree that Jay Cutler needs to get over himself, but that does not change the fact that McDaniels completely botched this up.

Posted by: soxmuscle

cassel at quarterback, while being able to add an extra first round talent to your roster.

i love cutler but the drop off from him to cassel + 1st, 3rd round pick is an upgrade.

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

cassel at quarterback, while being able to add an extra first round talent to your roster.

i love cutler but the drop off from him to cassel + 1st, 3rd round pick is an upgrade.

thats not what they would have gotten in that trade. it was a 3 way trade and they would not have gotten cassel plus a 1st and 3rd for cutler. and in no way would i trade cutler for cassel and 2 picks. the draft is a crap shoot. they could easily have wound up with a 1 year wonder in cassel and 2 busts that eat up cap space

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

I've got no problem with them trying to get Cassel. I just think Denver has gone about the entire process quite terribly. Honestly, they could not have screwed this up anymore than they have. They lied to Cutler right from the start and their efforts to mend the relationship have been half assed at best. I don't know why McDaniels is getting a free pass here. He's got no head coaching experience and the organization is basically saying they'd rather have him than Jay Cutler. The odds are pretty good that Cutler would have been around a lot longer than McDaniels, given the three to four year tenure of head coaches staying with one team. Like I said, it's easier to replace an inexperienced coach than a good quarterback.

Posted by: soxmuscle

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

how the eff do you know what they would have gotten in a trade?

no teams came calling the Patriots until after the deal with the Chiefs had been agreed upon.

based on what the Chiefs gave up and whats being rumored as the starting point in any package for Cutler, the Broncos would be be better off with Cassel at quarterback and upgrades at other positions.

this isn't a Super Bowl team as presently constructed with Cutler. I, for one, take my chances with Cassel and upgrade on the defensive side during the draft with the 12th and 17th (Jets pick) picks in the first round and a couple other conditional picks in later rounds.

Posted by: soxmuscle

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Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

I've been impressed by McDaniels over the years, way more so than I was with Weis or Crennel as far as head coaching potential.

That said, I do see where your frustration comes from on this matter.

This should have never became public...

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

That said, I do see where your frustration comes from on this matter.

Quite honestly, I really couldn't give two craps how this ends either way. I just have an opinion, that's all. I do enjoy the off season drama though!

Posted by: soxmuscle

In other news, did you see Brett Favre was invited to Browns camp?

Posted by: Robert D.

Jets Are Interested in Cutler
By GREG BISHOP
Published: April 1, 2009

Count the Jets among the teams interested in trading for Jay Cutler, the disgruntled Denver Broncos quarterback. A Jets employee confirmed the team’s interest on Wednesday morning, although the team has officially declined to comment.

Cutler became available late Tuesday after the Broncos released a statement that they were accepting trade offers for their quarterback. The team’s relationship with Cutler has been deteriorating since they looked into trading for Matt Cassel, who ended up going from New England to Kansas City.

“Numerous attempts to contact Jay Cutler in the last 10 days, both by head coach Josh McDaniels and myself, have been unsuccessful,” Pat Bowlen, the Broncos’ owner, said in a statement. “A conversation with his agent clearly communicated and confirmed to us that Jay no longer has any desire to play for the Denver Broncos. We will begin discussions with other teams in an effort to accommodate his request to be traded.”

Cutler’s agent is Bus Cook, who also represents the retired quarterback Brett Favre. It was Cook and Mike Tannenbaum, the Jets’ general manager, who put together the trade that brought Favre to New York last August.

Coach Rex Ryan has said repeatedly that he is content with heading into the 2009 season with the current crop of quarterbacks on the Jets’ roster — Kellen Clemens, Brett Ratliff and Erik Ainge. Only one of those quarterbacks, Clemens, has played in an N.F.L. regular-season game.

Clemens acknowledged last week that the Cutler-to-Jets rumors have been distracting. Other Jets, like safety Kerry Rhodes, were critical in their comments of Cutler, although Rhodes said he would accept Cutler as a teammate.

The team did not immediately return telephone calls seeking initial comment.

Cutler represented the Broncos at the Pro Bowl after last season, in which he passed for 4,526 yards and 25 touchdowns along with 18 interceptions. The Broncos, however, failed to make the playoffs.

The question now is what the Broncos will want in return for Cutler. The Jets hold the 17th pick in the draft later this month, but would most likely need to involve a third team to get a deal done. The Broncos are believed to want a proven quarterback and draft picks.

One team with two quarterbacks is the Cleveland Browns, but they are coached by Eric Mangini, whom the Jets fired after the season ended. Tannenbaum, though, has a proven track record in pulling off deals this time of year. Two years ago, he acquired running back Thomas Jones in a trade. Last year, it was defensive tackle Kris Jenkins and then Favre.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/sp...tml?ref=sports

Posted by: calalily1972

I don't know who to blame for all this. Cook, Cutler or McDaniels. I'm just tired of seeing all over ESPN and NFL Network.

I say let him go to the Jests and pull a Favre and ruin his career.

Posted by: sara

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Originally Posted by Jodi

I don't know who to blame for all this. Cook, Cutler or McDaniels. I'm just tired of seeing all over ESPN and NFL Network.

I say let him go to the Jests and pull a Favre and ruin his career.

JODI!! good to see you!

Posted by: soxmuscle

FoxSports:
"Denver's asking price is reportedly "greater" than a first- and third-round pick."

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Interesting.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

I heard on ESPNRadio this morning that Denver wants two first round picks as a starting point and are not interested in the #1 overall from Detroit.

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

I heard on ESPNRadio this morning that Denver wants two first round picks as a starting point and are not interested in the #1 overall from Detroit.

praise GOD. Mathew Stafford does nothing for us right now.

Posted by: soxmuscle

Apparently, Denver has asked teams to only text them because they've been bombarded with phone calls and proposals and their having trouble doing their due diligence on each offer.

Denver is going to get a ton for him.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

Denver is going to get a ton for him.

I agree, because there are several teams that really want Jay Cutler. It's inevitable that whoever gets him will have to overpay. It's going to be like the Herschel Walker trade all over again in the sense that Denver is going to get a ton.

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

can you really overpay for a proven franchise 25 year old qb?

Posted by: AKIRA

Bah. I think he should stick to bodybuilder. Hed look like an asshole out there.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

Bah. I think he should stick to bodybuilder. Hed look like an asshole out there.

Are you drunk?

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

can you really overpay for a proven franchise 25 year old qb?

Sure you can if a bidding war ensues.

Posted by: calalily1972

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Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

He isn't worth it. Let the Jest way overpay like they did last year for a QB

Posted by: soxmuscle

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

can you really overpay for a proven franchise 25 year old qb?

You severely overrated Cutler and that's saying something considering how good he is.

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

You severely overrated Cutler and that's saying something considering how good he is.

overrated? maybe, but there are very few teams right now that have a quarterback who will be with them in ten years and play at a pro bowl level.

the steelers, giants, chargers, falcons, ravens are the only teams i can think of that have quarterbacks young enough and good enough to still be with the team in 10 years. and that is being generous with the falcons and ravens because those guys have only had one year. lots and lots of money and draft picks get wasted searching for what Jay Cutler brings to the table.

Posted by: calalily1972

Ryan and Flacco both > Cutler

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by calalily1972

Ryan and Flacco both > Cutler

you're joking right?

Posted by: Robert D.

I just heard on the news Cutler is going to the Chicago Bears, not sure what the Broncos are getting for the trade.

Posted by: calalily1972

"Jay Glazer of FOXSports.com reports that the Chicago Bears have sent two first-round picks, a third-round pick, and quarterback Kyle Orton to the Broncos for quarterback Jay Cutler and a fifth-round draft pick.

The Bears held the 18th pick in the first round of the draft.

Per NFLPA records, Orton is signed through 2009, at a base salary of $995,000."

No I'm not kidding either!

Posted by: I Are Baboon

Good for the Bears! They could use a good qb after the suck that has been Kyle Orton and Rex Grossman.

Posted by: IainDaniel

Packers D is gonna eat him up and spit him out

Posted by: I Are Baboon

The Packers have a defense?

Posted by: IainDaniel

Yes actually a pretty decent one...

Posted by: calalily1972

Maybe Simms will finally get his chance now. You KNOW McDaniels is not gonna start Orton.

UPDATE: John Clayton of ESPN.com says that the deal involves the Broncos getting Orton and two first-round picks, and the Bears getting Cutler and a third-round pick.

SECOND UPDATE: Glazer now reports that it’s two first-round picks and Orton for Cutler and a five.

THIRD UPDATE: NFL.com reports that the Bears are giving up two first-rounder, a third-rounder, and Orton for only Cutler

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Yes actually a pretty decent one...

I just checked. Ranked 20 overall last year. Middle of the pack ain't all bad.

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by P-funk

where was he shipped to?

what a baby!

Bears.

Posted by: min0 lee

The Jets need a QB but they wanted 2 draft picks.

The Jets first round draft picks always bomb so that wouldn't be a huge loss.

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

I just checked. Ranked 20 overall last year. Middle of the pack ain't all bad.

if cutler would have had that last year he would have been a division winner and gone to the playoffs

Posted by: IainDaniel

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Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

I just checked. Ranked 20 overall last year. Middle of the pack ain't all bad.

Up until the last 3-4 weeks they had the number 3 pass defense.

There Run D was horrible.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

The Jets need a QB but they wanted 2 draft picks.

The Jets first round draft picks always bomb so that wouldn't be a huge loss.

Who cares. Fuck the Jets.

Mike Greenberg will by whining all morning tomorrow. *sigh*

Posted by: lnvanry

welcome to chicago Jay....thats best QB we've had since the 60s and he hasn't even thrown a ball.

Bear Down!

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

Who cares. Fuck the Jets.

Mike Greenberg will by whining all morning tomorrow. *sigh*

His man love for Pennington was funny though.

Posted by: AKIRA

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Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

Are you drunk?

Oh sorry. I meant, I think he should stick to bodybuilding.

Posted by: calalily1972

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

Oh sorry. I meant, I think he should stick to bodybuilding.

Yup, still drunk.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

The Bears overpayed for Cutler, but this makes them a lot better. With Forte and Cutler, all they need is a decent receiver to contend for the NFC Championship. On the other side, though, iot will be interesting to see how good Cutler does without a solid #1 receiver.

Posted by: busyLivin

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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

The Bears overpayed for Cutler, but this makes them a lot better. With Forte and Cutler, all they need is a decent receiver to contend for the NFC Championship. On the other side, though, iot will be interesting to see how good Cutler does without a solid #1 receiver.

Grossman (especially) & Orton were terrible, just terrible & painful to watch. I'm interested to see what our receivers can do with a quaterback that doesn't suck.

Posted by: P-funk

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Originally Posted by busyLivin

Grossman (especially) & Orton were terrible, just terrible & painful to watch. I'm interested to see what our receivers can do with a quaterback that doesn't suck.

I think the bears overpaid too, giving up those 1st round draft picks for Cutler. I do agree that both Grossman & Orton were not very good, but the bears could have probably picked up a good QB without sacrificing so much. For some reason I just don't see Cutler as "the guy". Only time will tell though. For the record, I never though Eli Manning was "the guy" and he certainly proved me wrong.

patrick

Posted by: dg806

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Originally Posted by P-funk

Agree somewhat. I think most quaterbacks can be pretty good given a good O line that can protect him and give him time to throw.

Posted by: Robert D.

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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

he can't do shit without a good receiver, and he is really good at throwing interceptions!

Posted by: calalily1972

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Originally Posted by Prince

he can't do shit without a good receiver, and he is really good at throwing interceptions!

No kidding! He's a Favre replica.

I wonder how much he bitches and moans when his numbers go down. Bears are a running team and unless they change the team to conform to Cutler, he won't be throwing as much.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

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Originally Posted by P-funk

I still don't think Eli is the man. He had 2 good games in the playoffs last year and I still would give all of the credit to that defense.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

I think some people here are letting their personal feelings about Jay Cutler cloud the facts here.

He's a HUGE improvement at QB for the Bears and probably the best QB they've landed in 30 or 40 years. The Bears were already a playoff contender with their defense, and now they are adding a Pro Bowl QB to the offense.

I don't get these people saying the Broncos got the better of this trade. The NFL draft is a hit or miss. 50% of players drafted don't amount to shit.

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

I think some people here are letting their personal feelings about Jay Cutler cloud the facts here.

Posted by: Robert D.

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Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

I don't get these people saying the Broncos got the better of this trade. The NFL draft is a hit or miss. 50% of players drafted don't amount to shit.

Maybe he will do good for the Bears, but he did not do shit for the Broncos.

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by Prince

Maybe he will do good for the Bears, but he did not do shit for the Broncos.

4500 yards passing and a pro bowl while leading the 2nd ranked offense when 7 running backs were placed on IR in his third season isn't shit. and he was 13-1 as a starter when his defense decided they wanted to have a heartbeat that day.

Posted by: calalily1972

17-20 career record??? He's way over rated.

Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by calalily1972

17-20 career record??? He's way over rated.

thats what i said about the defense needing to have a heart beat. if you put him on a team with a defense ranked in the middle of the pack everything changes. 17-20 is not an accurate indication of his record. it is an accurate indication of that team.

Posted by: lucifuge

I'm torn about this.
The Bears can definitely use Cutler in the QB slot, but then again, I think Orton was developing nicely. His biggest flaw is staring down his receiver. Once he conquers that, I think he'll become a solid quarterback.

Posted by: bio-chem

chris simms will be the denver broncos starting quarterback

Posted by: the nut

Fuck Brian Xanders! Fuck Josh McDaniels for ever letting this happen.....

There never should have been any talk about Matt Cassel. Who wants this fucking guy? Tyler Thigpen will be starting for the Chief's by the end of the year!

Fuck Pat Bowlen.....

Let's fire Mike Shanahan, a proven head coach and offensive mastermind, and bring in a young coach that can only hope to do as well as Shanahan! I know, Romeo and Mangini have shown how Bellichek assistants are great head coaches and leaders!

He's been through this shit before with Elway and Reeves, and kept the QB and look what happened..... 2 Super Bowls.

Fuck Jay Cutler.....

Show up, lead your team in workouts, hear what this guy has to say, and if they don't want you, go to Chicago with some pride. Then sit back and watch Orton hears a Hoo and Mayor McCheese lead the Broncos to the 4 - 12.

Fucking millions of dollars and they ruin shit over a dick measuring contest!

Anyone wanna buy 2 tickets Giants - Denver, Thanksgiving night!

FUCK!

Posted by: the nut

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Originally Posted by lucifuge

I'm torn about this.
The Bears can definitely use Cutler in the QB slot, but then again, I think Orton was developing nicely. His biggest flaw is staring down his receiver. Once he conquers that, I think he'll become a solid quarterback.

They just became they clear favorite in the central, and should be competing for a NFC championship this year. Wide receiver might be there only hole. Defense, special teams (kicking and return game), running game, and a top 5 QB now. Why wouldn't the Bears be pysched?

Posted by: the nut

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Originally Posted by Prince

Maybe he will do good for the Bears, but he did not do shit for the Broncos.

You are out of your mind if you think he was the problem with the broncos. You actually think they would be competing without him last year?

Posted by: IainDaniel

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Originally Posted by Prince

Maybe he will do good for the Bears, but he did not do shit for the Broncos.

What did shit for the broncos was there atrocious defense.

I don't understand why you come in and fuck with one of the best offenses in the league.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Originally Posted by the nut

Fuck Brian Xanders! Fuck Josh McDaniels for ever letting this happen.....

There never should have been any talk about Matt Cassel. Who wants this fucking guy? Tyler Thigpen will be starting for the Chief's by the end of the year!

Fuck Pat Bowlen.....

Let's fire Mike Shanahan, a proven head coach and offensive mastermind, and bring in a young coach that can only hope to do as well as Shanahan! I know, Romeo and Mangini have shown how Bellichek assistants are great head coaches and leaders!

That's a solid vent right there.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

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Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

I think some people here are letting their personal feelings about Jay Cutler cloud the facts here.

Unless they upgrade the O-line, Cutler is screwed, he is a long ball QB who needs time. Forte is awesome, and a decent receiver who can get open quick will help, but Cutler has a slow release, and even with time, throws a ton of interceptions.

With a decent O-line Orton can play the dink and dunk Pats offense, especially with Royal and Marshall. What is Devin Hester going to do in the passing game? Is he even 5 feet tall?

I think the Bears will have the better record next year, but the Broncos are matched up against the NFC East/AFC South and the Pats/Colts. The Bears play the Eagles, Steelers, Ravens, and a slew of JV teams. In 2 years, the Broncos will be solid.

Posted by: the nut

Give Cutler a running game in Chicago and he'll move the ball around. Denver blocking scheme and talent are not what they used to be, and lets not forget the 5 injuries to running backs. Anybody think Peyton Hillis would have been their starting back late in the season? I see Olson and Forte catching some balls next year.

I was intially hot about the hiring of McDaniels, I wanted Spags with a passion. But I got over it, for a little while. Then to hear that a first year head coach, and their first year GM come in and figured somewhere in their minds that the Matt Cassel was right fit for this team is crazy. You have a Pro Bowl qb, and an offense, that when healthy, is pretty damn good. Don't you want to build around that? I realize he plans on taping the opponents side line for an advantage, but that will only go so far!

I am happy with them signing Dawkins, Arrington, Buckholter, and Gaffney, but if they kept Cutler these players mean that much more immeadiately. There were 2, maybe 3 games last year that Cutler couldn't get much done, and I expect that from a young QB.

I have to expect they will go heavy defense in the draft, and maybe some O-line. If Chris Simms is the starting QB for the Broncos, I'm gonna lose my shit!

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

What did shit for the broncos was there atrocious defense.

I don't understand why you come in and fuck with one of the best offenses in the league.

More specifically, their second half defense!

Posted by: lucifuge

The Bears offensive line is not the greatest.. I think there's three new lineman this year. Add that to not really having a wide out, and Cutler's effectiveness drops off dramatically. Forte and Olsen are going to be his best friends.
Hester's fast as hell, but he only catches about 50% of the passes thrown to him... if he even realizes the ball's in the air. There was a game last year that he was wide open in a full sprint and he didn't even look for the ball until after it had bounced off his shoulder.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a Bears fan all the way. Cutler's a nice addition, and I hope he can live up to the expectations. It'd be nice to have the Bears in real contention again... without having to depend completely on defense & special teams.

Posted by: StuckInBako

We upgraded our o line some with the addition of Pace the same day we got Cutler, did no one notice. And we had a first round o lineman out for most of the year that played well at the end. He will be healthy and improved this year. I know are line will be much better this year.

We need to add a solid reciever and we will go far this year.

Posted by: the nut

Juaquin Iglesias, Johnny Knox, Derek Kinder all taken by the Bears. They are some potential weapons. Iglesias has no fear and good hands. I believe he'll be the #1 in no time. Knox is a burner and Kinder has Boldin size and build. Not bad.

Posted by: lnvanry

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Originally Posted by StuckInBako

We upgraded our o line some with the addition of Pace the same day we got Cutler, did no one notice. And we had a first round o lineman out for most of the year that played well at the end. He will be healthy and improved this year. I know are line will be much better this year.

We need to add a solid reciever and we will go far this year.

Posted by: lucifuge

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Originally Posted by the nut

Juaquin Iglesias, Johnny Knox, Derek Kinder all taken by the Bears. They are some potential weapons. Iglesias has no fear and good hands. I believe he'll be the #1 in no time. Knox is a burner and Kinder has Boldin size and build. Not bad.

Yep, I am soooo looking forward to season start!
Go Bears!

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