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Posted by: I Are Baboon

Ortiz has been dropped to 7th in the lineup tonight. 'Bout time he got some sort of demotion.

3. Victor Martinez, 1B
4. Jason Bay, LF
5. J.D. Drew, RF

Drew still sucks. *sigh*

Posted by: min0 lee

I really thought Drew was going to put up some good numbers there.
Bay has been good for you guys though.

Posted by: min0 lee

Reds deal Gonzalez to Red Sox

Injury-plagued shortstop dealt back to Boston

Reds deal Gonzalez to Red Sox | MLB.com: News

By Mark Sheldon / MLB.com

CINCINNATI -- Gonzo is the latest Reds veteran to be gone.
Shortstop Alex Gonzalez cleared waivers and was traded by the Reds to the Red Sox on Friday for Minor League shortstop Kris Negron.

"The Red Sox had interest in Gonzo and have had problems at shortstop," Reds general manager Walt Jocketty said. "We viewed this as an opportunity for him to play for a contender in a possible playoff situation."

To take Gonzalez's place on the 25-man roster, the Reds called up first baseman Kevin Barker from Triple-A Louisville. The plan is to have young players Paul Janish and Adam Rosales take up most of the playing time at shortstop.

Jocketty said there were no immediate plans to call up either top shortstop prospects -- Chris Valaika at Louisville or Todd Frazier at Double-A Carolina.

"Not right now," Jocketty said. "We think they should stay down and keep developing."

Gonzalez signed a three-year, $14 million contract with the Reds as a free agent before the 2007 season. He missed a significant portion of his tenure in Cincinnati with injuries, including the entire 2008 with a compression fracture in his left knee that required surgery.

In 68 games this season, Gonzalez is batting .210 with three home runs and 26 RBIs. From June 20-July 23, Gonzalez was on the disabled list because he needed right elbow surgery to remove some bone chips.

Gonzalez, who has a $6 million club option for the 2010 season that carries a $500,000 buyout, played for the Red Sox in 2006 and was with the Marlins from 1998-2005.

Since July 31, the Reds have dealt Jerry Hairston Jr., Edwin Encarnacion, David Weathers and Gonzalez.

In 111 games for Class A Salem, Negron batted .264 with three home runs and 34 RBIs. The Reds will assign him to Class A Sarasota.

"We got a young player back that we like," Jocketty said. "He has average-to-better tools in every category. We'll see what happens."

In 100 games for Louisville, Barker batted .284 with 22 homers and 68 RBIs.

"He's done a great job at Triple-A the past couple of years," Jocketty said. "This will give Dusty a hot left-handed bat off the bench."

Posted by: min0 lee

It's the Bosox against Texas!
Go Texas!!

Posted by: Double D

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Drew still sucks. *sigh*

So happy the Cards didnt spend any more money on this injury waiting to happen!

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

I really thought Drew was going to put up some good numbers there.
Bay has been good for you guys though.

Drew's grand slam in game six of the 2007 ALCS made his entire contract worth it.

Posted by: Triple Threat

Effing Blue Jays.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

Buchholz vs Halladay tonight.

Buchholz is pitching well but he keeps running into opposing teams' aces. Justin Verlander, CC Sabathia (gay), and now Halladay. It doesn't help him that the Sox can not hit good pitching. Another CG win for Halladay tonight.

Posted by: IainDaniel

Is papelbon almost done?

He really doesn't look that great as a closer anymore.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

Papelbon has turned into a Mitch Williams type closer. He usually gets the save but walks the damn tightrope every time.

Posted by: IainDaniel

Everyone just sits and waits for the fastball. They know it is coming.

Posted by: min0 lee

Mariano > Papalbon

Posted by: IainDaniel

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Mariano > Papalbon

That shouldn't even need to be said.

Posted by: min0 lee

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That shouldn't even need to be said.

I had to explain this to a few Red sox fans.
I like relievers who shut down other teams, not add to the problem.

Posted by: IainDaniel

Papelbon will be done as a closer in the next couple of years.

Posted by: min0 lee

Your saying he will be a starter?
I really was interested in him but not so much now.

Posted by: IainDaniel

He will be moved to a set-up man.

Can't just rely on having a lot of heat.

The reason Mariano is so effective, is the amount of movement he has on the ball.

Posted by: min0 lee

It's amazing how he throws the same pitch down the middle and they still miss.

The Yankees will miss him once he retires, I know I will.

He's probably one of the best NY relievers that I have ever seen, Goose was also great..so was Sparky and Jesse for a short time.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

Yankee mentions in this thread = gayer than Will and Grace.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

Buchholz vs Halladay tonight.

Buchholz is pitching well but he keeps running into opposing teams' aces. Justin Verlander, CC Sabathia (gay), and now Halladay. It doesn't help him that the Sox can not hit good pitching. Another CG win for Halladay tonight.

told ya.

Posted by: IainDaniel

Halladay certainly wasn't on his game last night.

Buckholtz had some great movement on his pitches.

Posted by: min0 lee

I see the Yankees cooling off so if they win the series I will be happy but I don't expect them to.

Posted by: soxmuscle

tonights line-up of: Ellsbury, Pedroia, Martinez, Youkilis, Bay, Ortiz, Lowell, Drew, Gonzalez is the best line up the Red Sox can throw out.

if/when Ortiz slumps, you swap Ortiz with Drew.

Posted by: min0 lee

Drew and Bay are hitting of late so it should be a different game.

Posted by: soxmuscle

Varitek and Nick Green were two crater sized gaping holes in the Red Sox line up.

They go from being an NL team who can't score runs for the last two months to having one of the (statistically speaking) better offenses in the game.

Posted by: min0 lee

The best.

Posted by: min0 lee

Wow, I know they need to rest the bullpen but can you imagine what is going on this kids mind right now....his confidence level should be down the toilet.

Victor martinez is awful as a catcher, good bat but he's not a catcher.

Posted by: min0 lee

They need to fire Epstien and Francona now before it's too late.

Posted by: min0 lee

PEDROIA'S EFFORT LEVEL LEAVES ROBBIE IN DUST

August 22, 2009 -- BOSTON -- I formed a seven- man committee comprised of one NL GM, one AL GM, and five assistants -- three NL and two AL -- and posed this question:
If you could have Robinson Cano or Dustin Pedroia for the next five years, who would you take and why?

The result surprised me. All seven executives picked Pedroia. He is the reigning MVP. But his 2009 season is down from last year while Cano has rebounded to have a positive campaign. Pedroia just turned 26, Cano turns 27 in October. I thought Cano might receive some extra points for potentially aging better than Pedroia, whose all-or-nothing swing scares me for the long term.

However, all seven respondents followed a basic theme: "Pedroia has better makeup and gives his all every day," an NL exec said. "On natural ability, Cano tops the list. But Pedroia is a winner and a leader."

Right now, the Red Sox need more than Pedroia's positive, gritty nature, however. It would help if he could, for example, pitch. The Yankees beat the Red Sox 20-11 last night to open a 7½-game AL East lead. So it appears that at advantage at second base (Pedroia went 2-for-5 with an RBI; Cano 1-for-6 with an RBI and two runs) is not going to help Boston repeat as division champs.

Still, what became obvious from the respondents was that Cano has an image problem that lingers even as his overall game has improved this year. For if both second basemen took the field in workout garb for hitting, running, throwing and fielding drills, Cano likely would be the more impressive player. But the perception lingers that Cano does not concentrate well and floats through too many at-bats, while Pedroia treats every inning as a baseball holy war.

"I trust [Pedroia's] ability to grind and persevere more than Cano," the NL GM said.
This explains why Pedroia vs. Cano has felt like a treatise on substance vs. style.
In recent years, as the Red Sox have become champs and the Yanks high-priced disappointments, the rivalry -- in many ways -- could be defined at second base: Pedroia was tough, team-oriented and totally invested mentally and physically in winning. Cano was even described by one Yankee as "soft" and is viewed as not maximizing his abundant skills or being a winning player. Cano often appears to value making plays look good rather than simply completing the play.

Even Yankees hitting coach Kevin Long, a Cano fan, said of Pedroia: "He might get the best out of his abilities of anyone in baseball. Whatever is in his tank, he gets the most out of it."
Long feels Cano's concentration is improving. That has manifested on defense this year where Long called him "impeccable." Ultimate Zone Rating (UZR) has Pedroia as the majors' best defensive second baseman and Cano as a negative player. I just don't buy it for Cano. He has eliminated the botched routine play while remaining brilliant going to his right and turning double plays.

On offense, however, Cano's discipline remains a problem. He is batting .203 (29-for-143) with runners in scoring position and .330 (123-for-373) otherwise. Pedroia is hitting .330 with runners in scoring position. Still he had fewer homers (18-10), extra-base hits (54-47) and RBIs (61-53) than Cano. Pedroia, though, had drawn 31 more walks (54-23). He also looks the underdog at 5-9 and prematurely bald. What is forgotten is Pedroia was talented enough to be a second-round pick (2004) pick. Still, it is hard to argue a substance edge over Cano.

And Cano, at the least, knows where he needs to narrow the gap: "You never stop learning baseball," he said. "And, yes, I am trying to be focused all the time."
joel.sherman@nypost.com

Posted by: min0 lee

August 23, 2009 -- BOSTON -- Just about the only downside for the Yankees in Friday night's blowout of the Red Sox was how much it was reminiscent of their Game 3 victory in the 2004 ALCS.

The Yankees won that contest 19-8 at Fenway, Hideki Matsui hit two homers and the Yanks took a three-games-to-none lead. At that moment, the Yanks appeared more likely to join a Broadway chorus line en masse than fail to reach the World Series. Their magic number was one with four games to play. But they never did get that victory, and no one ever Cursed again.
Well on Friday night, the Yankees hit everything except that low-hanging scoreboard in the new Cowboys stadium. There were moments at Fenway you were sure they might reach the short porch in right in The Bronx. The Yankees won 20-11 behind two homers from Matsui.
They entered yesterday leading the Red Sox by 7½ games with one-quarter of the season left. For the record, their magic number was 34. But the most important magic -- it seemed -- was percolating in the Yankees clubhouse. The team's confidence was peaking. They have a cresting sense that they are a special group.
Of course that is exactly how it felt in the visiting clubhouse at Fenway after the game of Oct. 16, 2004. The Yankees were soaring, the Red Sox were reeling. The World Series felt inevitable for the Yanks, and so did the continuing domination of Boston.Five Yankees remain from the worst collapse in postseason history (Matsui, Alex Rodriguez, Derek Jeter, Jorge Posada and Mariano Rivera). So this is a clubhouse that should know you don't pour champagne prematurely.
After all, blowing a three-games-to-none lead in the postseason is unique. But since 1900, eight teams that trailed by 7½ games or more after the 121-game mark have gone on to finish first, including the 1978 Yankees.
And the lead is now 6½. Maybe that means nothing. It is still a commanding lead this late in the year. The Yanks have CC Sabathia on the mound tonight with a chance to win yet another series -- albeit the Yankees ace will have to contend with Red Sox ace Josh Beckett. The Yankees are still the majors' hottest team.
Yet a 14-1 Red Sox rout yesterday provides pause to all the celebrating. Joe Girardi had said after the Yankees' four-game sweep of Boston in the Bronx earlier this month gave them a 6½-game lead that the division race would go to the wire. He said the same after yesterday's debacle, though the lead was still 6½ and 13 more games had come off the schedule.
Girardi is cautious by nature. However, he also knows the Yanks still have a West Coast trip left, the Red Sox have a soft close to their schedule, and Boston is expecting Tim Wakefield to return to its rotation next week, Daisuke Matsuzaka perhaps sometime in September, and just might have Billy Wagner pitching in set-up relief soon.
"I don't think any of our players have thought this thing was locked up," Girardi said. "That is a good team across the way. I expect both teams to play to a high level the rest of the way."
Maybe what made 14-1 feel particularly bad was the way A.J. Burnett pitched. He was beat up at Fenway for a third straight time as a Yankee. His wandering concentration enabled the Red Sox to end a five-game losing streak to the Yanks and assure no worse than a tie in a season series that Boston now leads 9-5.
The Red Sox are 70-52 overall, the same record they had after 122 games in 2004. They wound up as the wild card then and very well may again. Either way the lesson should not fade for these Yankees that when it comes to Boston, down is not out.

Posted by: min0 lee

Papelbon: Red Sox don't need Wagner's help

Billy Wagner is willing to waive his no-trade clause to join the Red Sox, but a pair of potential teammates don't seem thrilled with the idea.

Red Sox closer Jonathan Papelbon questioned whether or not Wagner would be able to help Boston in the stretch drive after missing most of the season.
"What has he done? Has he pitched this year?" Jonathan Papelbon told WEEI.com. "Is he ready to pitch or is he not? ... I think our bullpen is good where we're at right now. Don't get me wrong. But I guess you could always make it better. It's kind of like the [Eric] Gagne thing, I guess."
Wagner pitched for the first time this season on Thursday -- retiring the Braves 1-2-3, while striking out two. But Papelbon's comparison to Gagne was not meant as a compliment. The Red Sox traded for Gagne late in 2007 and he bombed in Boston compiling a 6.75 ERA in 20 appearances.

Manny Delcarmen, Papelbon's setup man, agreed with the team's closer.
"We loved Gagne coming over here, just the stuff that he had, but it was an awkward situation this late in the season," Delcarmen said. "I think our bullpen is fine right now. It is what it is. If [Wagner] comes and helps us win, that's what we want. But sometimes, shaking things up this late might work out different. We'll see what happens."
-- Justin Terranova

Posted by: I Are Baboon

God dammit, Papelbon, SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Posted by: Triple Threat

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God dammit, Papelbon, SHUT THE FUCK UP.

He didn't get a chance to pitch against NY, so he had to get into the limelight somehow.

Posted by: Triple Threat

And it did my heart good to see Beckett get Smoltzed by the Yankees.

Posted by: min0 lee

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And it did my heart good to see Beckett get Smoltzed by the Yankees.

I honestly thought he would have won this game...5 homers. Wow.

Posted by: Triple Threat

Burnett getting outpitched by the rookie was a disappointment.

Posted by: min0 lee

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Burnett getting outpitched by the rookie was a disappointment.

yeah, I really thought we had a chance there.
The guy has unbelievable stuff. They keep saying he can't work with Posada but when he pitched brilliantly against Boston it was with Posada.

Posted by: min0 lee

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The schedule makers as a whole. Every year, the way it's done seems silly.

They gave Boston a soft schedule to end the season.

Posted by: Triple Threat

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

They gave Boston a soft schedule to end the season.

It's not that soft.
8 vs Chicago
6 vs Tampa
3 vs LA
3 vs NY

Somewhat easier:
6 vs Toronto

Gimmes:
5 vs Bal
4 vs KC

Posted by: I Are Baboon

Boy that Jose Contreras third inning last night was both awesome yet terribly painful to watch.

Gonzalez: Single
Ellsbury: Fly out
Pedroia: Pop out

(ok, two outs now with man on first)

Martinez: Walk
Youkilis: Hit by pitch
Ortiz: Reaches on Contreras error, Gonzales scores
Bay: Walk, Martinez scores
Contreras wild pitch scores Youkilis
Lowell: 3 run HR
Pitching change

Posted by: min0 lee

Who won?

He's a former Yankee with a great arm but screwed up head.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

Sox won 12-8. Clay Buchholz got knocked around again. Good thing the Sox held onto that guy at the trade deadline.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

Red Sox are unbeaten since acquiring Billy Wagner.

Posted by: Triple Threat

He's made quite a difference in their bullpen.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

Posted by: I Are Baboon

Hard to believe that as much as Ortiz has struggled this year, he's actually on pace for 30 HR and 100 RBI. That's a pretty good "bad year."

Posted by: IainDaniel

He has been better since he found a new steroid supplier.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

I wish he would have found one sooner.

Posted by: IainDaniel

He needs to share his new source with Manny now.

Posted by: soxmuscle

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Sox won 12-8. Clay Buchholz got knocked around again. Good thing the Sox held onto that guy at the trade deadline.

Buchholz has been pretty solid over his last 4-5 starts.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Buchholz has been pretty solid over his last 4-5 starts.

In 2 of list last 5 starts he hasn't gotten past the 5th inning.

Clay Buchholz Game Log - ESPN

The three starts in between though....yes, much better.

Posted by: IainDaniel

He looked awesome against the Jays.... though that ain't saying much

Posted by: soxmuscle

Brad Penny asked for and was granted his release with the corresponding roster move being the addition of Billy Wagner to the bullpen.

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Veteran right-hander Brad Penny requested and received his release tonight in a move that clears a roster spot for reliever Billy Wagner and gives Penny time to join a new team before postseason rosters are set.

“I asked for my release and I got it,” Penny said.

Speaking after last night’s 3-2 victory over the White Sox, Penny thanked the Red Sox for taking a chance on him.

“I enjoyed playing with all of the guys,” he said. “I played for a great manager on a great team. I had a great time. I enjoyed it. I wish things had worked out better, but that happens.”

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I had some bad breaks and made some bad pitches,” he said. “But I’m healthy, and that’s what I’m happy about. This isn’t last year, when I was hurt. If that had been the case, I’d be upset.

“All in all I had a great time here. My shoulder is healthy and I’m glad I came here. It was a blessing.”

Class act.

Is there really a doubt in anybody's mind that he'll go back to a National League contender (my guess = Colorado) and be successful?

Posted by: soxmuscle

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In 2 of list last 5 starts he hasn't gotten past the 5th inning.

Clay Buchholz Game Log - ESPN

The three starts in between though....yes, much better.

I should have expanded.

In his last four starts, he's been pretty darn good.

Fundamentally in his most recent start the other night against the White Sox, he pitched alright. It was one of the better 7-run outings you can have and was two mistakes away from it being a two run/5+ inning performance.

I'm more on his side now than I have been in the past because every Red Sox fan and their mother continues to rag on the guy from pitch to pitch and start to start and it isn't fair.

Yes, he's 25 and should be more of the pitcher he was projected to be but sometimes players take longer to find their niche than others and I full on believe that's the case with Clay.

Trading him and a plethora of others for Roy Halladay wasn't the right deal to make and to be honest, the Jays will most likely fire J.P. Ricciardi (somewhat) as a result.

The Red Sox are good enough to make the playoffs and while it would be hard rationalizing developing his repertoire in the Majors in the midst of a playoff hunt, they don't have any other options. Buchholz (and Tazawa for that matter) are better options than both Smoltz and Penny who simply didn't have what it takes to be successful in the AL East.

Posted by: Triple Threat

Part of the "problem" with Buchholz is that he threw that no-hitter, and since then everyone seems to think he should be an ace.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Part of the "problem" with Buchholz is that he threw that no-hitter, and since then everyone seems to think he should be an ace.

He's been projected as a #1 or 2 starter since the day he was drafted. That's why everyone thinks he should be an ace. Though, most Red Sox fans understand that he is still developing. Very few pitchers develop into an ace after only a few ML seasons.

Posted by: soxmuscle

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

They gave Boston a soft schedule to end the season.

There are arguments to be made about every teams schedule.

Having a warm weather team play in the middle of winter in Boston or New York is just dumb.

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

Brad Penny asked for and was granted his release with the corresponding roster move being the addition of Billy Wagner to the bullpen.

Class act.

Is there really a doubt in anybody's mind that he'll go back to a National League contender (my guess = Colorado) and be successful?

Wow...the Mets could use a pitcher.

Posted by: soxmuscle

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Wow...the Mets could use a pitcher.

Keyword being "contender."

Posted by: min0 lee

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Keyword being "contender."

Posted by: I Are Baboon

Tough loss for the Rays last night. They really needed to sweep Boston to put a dent in that Wild Card lead.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

So Brad Penny throws eight shutout innings last night.

Further proof that the NL sucks.

Posted by: Triple Threat

I was thinking the same thing. First Smoltz, now Penny. Sort of puts a damper on Cliff Lee's recent performances for Philly.

Posted by: min0 lee

The NL is a weaker league.

Posted by: Triple Threat

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The NL is a weaker league.

Cue Malley.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

The Sox are really starting to come together. The additions of Clay Buchholz to the rotation, Billy Wagner to the bullpen, and Victor Martinez to the middle of the lineup have been huge, plus Josh Beckett seems to be getting his crap back together. That was wasn't just a sweep of Tampa...it was completely one sided.

Hold on to your pants: With good pitching, Red Sox getting ready to roll - Red Sox Monster

Posted by: min0 lee

How's Billy been doing in the pen?

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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How's Billy been doing in the pen?

Freaking ROCK SOLID! Averaging like two strikeouts per inning. I know his goal in coming to Boston was to up his free agent value, and he is doing that. Complete 180 from the disaster that was Eric "ROID" Gagne.

Posted by: min0 lee

He was good in NY.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

It's funny, when Gagne would come into a game, we'd be like "Oh shit, here we go.." But with Wagner, it's like "COOL...inning over."

Posted by: I Are Baboon

Nice return for Dice-k!

Dice-K OK again for Red Sox in 4-1 win over Angels - MLB - Yahoo! Sports

Posted by: Triple Threat

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Nice return for Dice-k!

I'm not happy about this. If he continues to pitch like last night, along with Beckett and Lester, the Sox will be a serious threat in the playoffs.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

Don't forget about Clay Buchholz. He's arguably been their best starter over the last few weeks.

Posted by: Triple Threat

He's pitched well recently, but I think LAs running game may get him rattled.

Posted by: soxmuscle

Buchholz is a stud.

The Red Sox win the World Series this year. Carve it in... sand.

Posted by: Triple Threat

At low tide.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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At low tide.

Ha! That was good.

Posted by: min0 lee

Why don't they just fold and call it a season!!!!

Posted by: I Are Baboon

Boy, the Sox were handed a gift win last night. We'll take it.

Posted by: IainDaniel

How much did those umps cost..... I mean seriously hahah

Posted by: I Are Baboon

It was pretty bad. I'd be fuming if I were an Angels fan.

Posted by: IainDaniel

It was embarrassingly bad.

MLB should be doing an investigation with how bad those calls were.

Posted by: min0 lee

That's they won the past World Series.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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That's they won the past World Series.

EnGRisH.?

Posted by: soxmuscle

I don't think Green went around, regardless of his reaction.

The ball four pitch painted the black and was a strike according to the "K" zone but that pitch was being called a ball all game.

The Angels should stop complaining about the umpires and instead complain about Juan Rivera not hustling for that ball which would have brought the game into extras.

Posted by: IainDaniel

Shut it homer boy.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

I almost feel bad for the Orioles. The game was 3-3 in the sixth last night, and I told my wife "Don't worry...the Sox will score 10."

Posted by: I Are Baboon

So the Sox have 89 wins right now with 14 to play. The schedule the rest of the way looks like this:

4 at KC
3 at NYY
3 vs Toronto
4 vs Cleveland

So they need to go 11-3 to reach 100 wins. That's doable.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

Hell of a loss last night. How the hell do you blow a six run lead to the Royals?

Now tonight it's Paul Byrd vs Zack Greinke. There's another loss.

Posted by: Triple Threat

A couple of Red Sox losses to KC would be great for NY since the Yankees seem to have left their offense on the east coast.

Posted by: min0 lee

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Hell of a loss last night. How the hell do you blow a six run lead to the Royals?

Now tonight it's Paul Byrd vs Zack Greinke. There's another loss.

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Boston Red Sox vs. Kansas City Royals - Live MLB GameTrax - FOX Sports on MSN

BoSox blow 6-run lead, hurt chances in East
Kansas City's September stalwarts are at it again. A year ago, after flopping around all season, the Royals rolled through September on an 18-8 tear. Monday night they wiped out leads of 6-0 and 8-2 and emerged 12-9 winners over the powerful Boston Red Sox and improved to 11-3 since Sept. 7. On that date, they were 34 games under .500. "We're just playing better baseball," said Billy Butler, who had two doubles and two RBIs and helped key a six-run sixth inning.

That's an odd stat.

Posted by: min0 lee

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A couple of Red Sox losses to KC would be great for NY since the Yankees seem to have left their offense on the east coast.

I knew they were going to lose, I don't know if they get laid in CA or is it jet lag but they just can't beat the Angels.

Posted by: soxmuscle

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Shut it homer boy.

I know your team became unwatchable (outside of Halladay starts) in May but you might want to actually watch the game instead of watching highlites on ESPN and forming an erroneous thought.

Posted by: soxmuscle

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Hell of a loss last night. How the hell do you blow a six run lead to the Royals?

Now tonight it's Paul Byrd vs Zack Greinke. There's another loss.

Francona continues to manage as if the division has already been decided.

Winning last night after the Yankee loss would have made for a very interesting weekend.

Posted by: soxmuscle

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That's an odd stat.

I can't wait for the 2010 prediction thread

Posted by: min0 lee

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I can't wait for the 2010 prediction thread

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

I know your team became unwatchable (outside of Halladay starts) in May but you might want to actually watch the game instead of watching highlites on ESPN and forming an erroneous thought.

Oh snap!

Posted by: Triple Threat

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Now tonight it's Paul Byrd vs Zack Greinke. There's another loss.

Good call, IAB.

Posted by: IainDaniel

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I know your team became unwatchable (outside of Halladay starts) in May but you might want to actually watch the game instead of watching highlites on ESPN and forming an erroneous thought.

I will have you know my team became unwatchable circa 1994

Oh and fyi we don't have ESPN in the good country. We have real sports shows with hockey highlights.

Posted by: min0 lee

Hope Lester is OK, that was a shot to his knee.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

That's not good. That looked ugly.

Posted by: min0 lee

Hit him on the Quad. Nothing broken.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Hit him on the Quad. Nothing broken.

Having just gone through knee surgery, it was still hard for me to watch.

He's got two weeks to rest now.

Posted by: min0 lee

Posted by: min0 lee

Soxmuscle was last seen here weeping while pulling out a wad of 25 singles.

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Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Not anymore, since he spends most of his time riding the bench these days.

America runs on Victor Martinez now.

Posted by: min0 lee

Baboon?
Covering up your man boobs with Bosox stickers will not make you any more manly.

Posted by: Triple Threat

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Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

Not anymore, since he spends most of his time riding the bench these days.

America runs on Victor Martinez now.

Don't think the Angels aren't noticing this.

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by Triple Threat

Don't think the Angels aren't noticing this.

Oh yeah, the Yankees went ran like crazy on the with A-Rod doing the most damage to V-Tek, no love lost there.

Can you imagine the Angels who run more. Not pretty.

Posted by: Triple Threat

With the way the Blue Jays are kicking the crap out of the Red Sox, it takes some of the luster off of the Yankees' weekend sweep.

Posted by: Triple Threat

And today IAB is profusely thanking the Angels.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

Way for the Sox to back into the playoffs....five game losing streak, then they feel a typical alcohol-drenched celebration is appropriate? :nonono:

Speaking of which, am I the only one who thinks all the baseball clubhouse celebrations are freaking lame and stupid? They celebrate clinching a playoff spot, winning the division, winning the Wild Card round, wining the LCS, and winning the World Series? You don't see NFL, NBA and NHL teams celebrating all these little playoff victories. Enough with the champagne showers. Act like you've been there before and are not satisfied. Save it for winning the championship.

Posted by: Triple Threat

I can understand the celebration if a perennial loser like the Royals or Blue Jays won a division title. They don't get many chances to celebrate, so it would be understandable if they went wild.

But the Yankees clinching the AL east?

Ditto for the Red Sox making the playoffs.

Posted by: IainDaniel

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Originally Posted by Triple Threat

I can understand the celebration if a perennial loser like the Royals or Blue Jays won a division title. They don't get many chances to celebrate, so it would be understandable if they went wild.

But the Yankees clinching the AL east?

Ditto for the Red Sox making the playoffs.

Ouch that was Harsh.. being categorized in the same breath as the Royals.

The Jays have a rich history of winning. It was after the strike of 1994 and the ridiculous increase of salaries, that all but killed the Jays ability to compete in a division with the 2 richest teams.

Posted by: IainDaniel

Was the papelbon dinging of Lind intentional?

already hit 3 Jacks.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Originally Posted by Triple Threat

I can understand the celebration if a perennial loser like the Royals or Blue Jays won a division title. They don't get many chances to celebrate, so it would be understandable if they went wild.

I think the celebrations are dumb regardless of the team. Baseball is the only sport that has champagne celebrations just for making the postseason.

Posted by: min0 lee

Jeter did say the same but the rest of his teammates wanted a celebration.

Posted by: min0 lee

Francona said he's not concerned with wins anymore since he's already in the wildcard

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Was the papelbon dinging of Lind intentional?

Probably. I hope so. Who does Lind think he is hitting three homers off the Red Sox? The Blue Jays players need to understand their place in the AL East hierarchy. They are only there to provide the Sox and Yanks with easy wins.

Posted by: IainDaniel

Halladay got back at Big Papi

Jays never provide easy wins. Especially to a team that has a lot to worry about entering the playoffs.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

I'm not worried. I know the Sox are losing to Anaheim of Los Angeles.

Posted by: min0 lee

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I'm not worried. I know the Sox are losing to Anaheim of Los Angeles.

Why would you say that?
Is it the running game that will do them in?

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Why would you say that?
Is it the running game that will do them in?

Anaheim has a deeper pitching staff. Plus, I've got to think that eventually the Angels have got to beat the Sox in a playoff series, right?

Posted by: IainDaniel

And the red sox have chosen a horrible time to look like shit.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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And the red sox have chosen a horrible time to look like shit.

That's true but the recent skid doesn't really concern me.

Doesn't really matter what happens in this series anyway because nobody is beating the Yankees this year, though I hope I am wrong, though I won't be.

Posted by: IainDaniel

The way the Jays lit up your starters should be concerning. Very concerning, this close to the show.

Yes the Yanks are disgusting.

Posted by: Triple Threat

Overlooked in all the excitement of the Red Sox finally getting the wild card spot as Texas choked big time is the fact that the Red Sox and Yankees split the season series, each team winning 9 games. This marks the first time in MLB history that a team started the season 8-0 against one team and failed to win the season's series. Way to go Red Sox

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

Anaheim has a deeper pitching staff. Plus, I've got to think that eventually the Angels have got to beat the Sox in a playoff series, right?

I really didn't get a good look at their pitching.

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And the red sox have chosen a horrible time to look like shit.

They know what they are doing, I am sure they will go into gear when the games begin to matter.

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Soxmuscle is no longer your face book friend after that comment.

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The way the Jays lit up your starters should be concerning. Very concerning, this close to the show.

Yes the Yanks are disgusting.

You mean delicious.

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Originally Posted by Triple Threat

Overlooked in all the excitement of the Red Sox finally getting the wild card spot as Texas choked big time is the fact that the Red Sox and Yankees split the season series, each team winning 9 games. This marks the first time in MLB history that a team started the season 8-0 against one team and failed to win the season's series. Way to go Red Sox

We spotted them 8 games, they had a their chance but blew it.

I'm really sad for the Rangers...they were pretty good for a while.
No excuse not to be able to catch up to Boston. Now the Twins are making it very interesting.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

Yanks fans have to hope Detroit gets pushed to Sunday by the Twins, that way Detroit has to burn a Verlander start.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Soxmuscle is no longer your face book friend after that comment.

I'm part of that doom-and-gloom Red Sox generation(s). Some habits are hard to break.

Posted by: Double D

Looks like the Cards and Sox are both in the same boat this year! Pretty awesome huh?

Posted by: min0 lee

Not to put Boston down but right now I would have prefered the Boston have won instead of the Angels.
The Angels are pretty solid.

Posted by: IainDaniel

The sox shit the bed 3 weeks ago.

Posted by: min0 lee

It's time to dismantle this team, Epstien should be fired, Release V-Tech and Big Papi. Send Paps to the minors......

Posted by: min0 lee

All kidding aside I really thought they would play better, too many players with slumps at different times, aging players, Paps blowing leads...he has a habit of letting batters get on base, how long before he can't rescue himself from his own mistakes.
They need a good defensive catcher...

Posted by: min0 lee

Now you have other teams who are getting stronger and stronger.
Tampa will be there, the Rangers really impressed me and hopefully the Jays will improve now that they have rid themselves of that GM.

Posted by: IainDaniel

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

All kidding aside I really thought they would play better, too many players with slumps at different times, aging players, Paps blowing leads...he has a habit of letting batters get on base, how long before he can't rescue himself from his own mistakes.
They need a good defensive catcher...

I don't get what the big deal is with papelbon.... I said this months ago. This guy is not that great of a closer.

Posted by: min0 lee

He's OK, he isn't as great as he thinks he is but he's ok.

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BOSTON -- He had been perfect in the postseason, or as perfect as one can be, with an 0.00 ERA over 26 innings. But Jonathan Papelbon -- one of the game's best closers and the Red Sox's franchise leader with 151 career saves -- walked off the Fenway Park mound Sunday to a chorus of boos. "Why would you boo one of the best closers in the game?" the Angels' Torii Hunter asked. "Booing Papelbon was not the right thing to do. I've got so much respect for him and I think he's one of the best closers in the game. That's terrible, actually." Papelbon walked off the mound after Vladimir Guerrero -- with two outs, the bases loaded, and the Red Sox clinging to a 6-5 lead -- hit a sinking liner to center field, driving in two runs. The Angels went on to win 7-6, shocking the crowd at Fenway and ending Boston's season with a three-game division series sweep. Ninth-Inning Meltdown

Entering Sunday's game, Red Sox closer Jonathan Papelbon had not given up a run in 26 postseason innings. But on Sunday he allowed two inherited runners to score in the eighth, then gave up three runs with two outs in the ninth. How it all went wrong in the ninth:

It was a stunning sequence for Papelbon, whose postseason scoreless innings streak was the longest of its kind to start a career since Christy Mathewson threw 28 scoreless frames from 1905 to 1911. Papelbon heard the boos, but unlike some of his teammates who were upset at the treatment, he understood why they came. "These fans don't expect any more out of me than I do out of myself," he said. "You know, I think they get so accustomed to seeing me do what I do. And when I don't do what I do, I think it's kind of like, 'Well, why didn't he do that?' "No booing of a fan is going to make or break me, that's for sure." While teammate Tim Wakefield and general manager Theo Epstein both said they felt the fans' displeasure was with the situation and not Papelbon, others in the clubhouse disagreed. "Look at what he's done in the playoffs, look at what he's done during the season," Jon Lester said. "[It wasn't] even a bad outing, a team just beat him. I don't really appreciate that for what he's done for this city and what he's brought to this team. If you're [booing] based off one bad performance here, it's just not right." Added Manny Delcarmen: "A little more respect for a guy like that, what he's done here. I don't think that was the right thing to do at the time." Papelbon's breakdown had actually started an inning earlier, when he relieved Billy Wagner with two on and two outs. Juan Rivera singled in both runs on Papelbon's first pitch, cutting the Boston lead to 5-4. Papelbon got out of the inning when he picked off pinch runner Reggie Willits. The scene was somewhat reminiscent of Game 2 of last year's division series against the Angels, when Papelbon came into the eighth inning with a 5-4 Boston lead. He allowed a sacrifice fly to score Chone Figgins with the tying run, but in the top of the ninth, J.D. Drew hit a two-run homer for a 7-5 win. Boston went on to win the series, and had won nine of 10 against the Angels in the postseason before this series began. "The season didn't just wind down," manager Terry Francona said. "It came to a crashing halt."

The Red Sox scored an insurance run in the bottom of the eighth on a Mike Lowell RBI single that made it 6-4. When Papelbon got two quick outs to open the ninth, the game seemed all but over. Then Erick Aybar singled and Papelbon walked Figgins before Bobby Abreu doubled off the wall in left to make it 6-5. Hunter was intentionally walked to load the bases, setting up Guerrero's at-bat. "All season we play all nine innings, we never give up," said Hunter, whose team was second in the majors with 47 come-from-behind wins. "We kept battling; we did our thing." While Hunter thought the fans' treatment of Papelbon was shameful, Epstein had a different take. "He's been a big part of our success," Epstein said. "[He] didn't have it today. There were a lot of frustrated people out there. I'd be shocked if they were booing him personally and not the situation." Wakefield echoed Epstein's sentiments. "They're booing the situation -- it's not that they think he stinks," Wakefield said. "Our fans are very knowledgeable, very passionate about their team. I've told people this: If you get booed, don't think it's personal. It's just part of the gig of playing here." But will Papelbon be playing here next year? There has been much speculation about whether the Red Sox may trade him in favor of Daniel Bard, their presumed closer-in-waiting who also would cost significantly less. Epstein said he wouldn't take questions about anything related to the offseason until Monday, and Papelbon did not discuss it. But if Papelbon's days in Boston are over, he'll leave understanding how playing in Boston works, and, according to him, not having a problem with it.

Posted by: Triple Threat

The Phillies need a closer.

Posted by: min0 lee

Francona....you walked Tori to load the bases to pitch to Vlad...

Posted by: calalily1972

What a depressing lose

I feel bad for Pap though.

Posted by: Double D

With fans like that, why wouldnt people want to play in St.Louis?

Posted by: min0 lee

That's one player I nor others feel bad for, even if he pitched for our teams we would feel the same.
The guy doesn't know how to shut his trap up.

Posted by: calalily1972

I've always like him. He's over the top but a true spirit to the team.

Posted by: Triple Threat

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Looks like the Cards and Sox are both in the same boat this year!

Yeah, the Titanic.

Posted by: min0 lee

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Yeah, the Titanic.

Ouch, now that was cruel....yet so satisfying.

Posted by: calalily1972

Be nice!

Posted by: Triple Threat

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Be nice!

Hey, I was rooting for Boston.

Because I really wanted the Yankees to beat the crap out of Boston again.

Posted by: min0 lee

Posted by: min0 lee

Four baseball fans - a Cubs fan, a Cardinals fan, a Red Sox fan, and a Yankees fan - are climbing a mountain and arguing about who loves his team more.

The Cubs fan insists he is the most loyal. "This is for the Cubs!" he yells, and jumps off the side of the mountain.

Not to be outdone, the Cardinals fan shouts, "This is for the Cardinals!" and throws himself off the mountain.

The Red Sox fan is next to profess his love for his team. He yells, "This is for everyone!" and pushes the Yankees fan off.

Posted by: min0 lee

A father and son are outside Fenway Park, and the young son is asking his father to buy him a "Yankees Suck" T-shirt. The father hesitates, but finally tells his son, "You can have the shirt if you promise never to say that word."

"That's right," says the T-shirt vendor, wanting to make the sale. "'Suck' isn't a very nice word."

"No," replies the father. "I meant the word 'Yankees'."

Posted by: min0 lee

Three baseball fans were on their way to a game when one noticed a foot sticking out of the bushes by the side of the road. They stopped and discovered a nude female dead drunk. Out of respect, the Cubs fan took off his cap and placed it over her right breast. The Red Sox fan took off his cap and placed it over her left breast. Following their lead, the Yankee fan took off his cap and placed it over her crotch.

The police were called and when the officer arrived, he conducted his inspection. First, he lifted up the Cubs cap, replaced it, and wrote down some notes. Next, he lifted the Sox cap, replaced it, and wrote down some more notes. The officer then lifted the Yankees cap, replaced it, then lifted it again, replaced it, lifted it a third time, and replaced it one last time.

The Yankee fan was getting upset and finally asked, "What are you, a pervert or something? Why do you keep lifting and looking, lifting and looking?"

Well," said the officer. "I am simply surprised. Normally when I look under a Yankees hat, I find an asshole."

Posted by: Double D

Gotta love those poor Cubbies.....

Posted by: I Are Baboon

I am currently on vacation in Maine and missed the last two games.

I've eaten Maine lobster stuffed with crab, had two lobster rolls with a cask conditioned IPA, spent $100 at the Allagash brewery, and mountain biked for four hours Saturday. So fuck the Red Sox.

Posted by: min0 lee

My condolences.

Posted by: Triple Threat

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Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

I am currently on vacation in Maine and missed the last two games.

I've eaten Maine lobster stuffed with crab, had two lobster rolls with a cask conditioned IPA, spent $100 at the Allagash brewery, and mountain biked for four hours Saturday. So fuck the Red Sox.

You had a better time than you would have had sitting in front of the TV watching the games.

Posted by: Triple Threat

Hey, min0, whose side are you on?

Posted by: Triple Threat

A NY cabbie was a die-hard Yankees fan and he truly hated the Red Sox and all their fans. Whenever he was driving, if he saw anyone wearing a Red Sox hat or shirt, he would drive right towards them, swerving away at the last moment, trying to scare the shit out of them.

One day a rabbi got into the cab and as they were driving, the cabbie saw a man with a Red Sox hat. Instinctively he veered right at the man, but then remembering who he had in the back seat, he turned away sharply. The cabbie heard a thud, but when he checked the rear view mirror, he couldn't tell what the noise was.

"I'm sorry, rabbi, I almost hit that Red Sox fan" said the cabbie.

"You missed him" replied the rabbi, "but don't worry. I got him with the door on my side."

Posted by: min0 lee

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Hey, min0, whose side are you on?

I know but it looks like they are in for another 80+ plus years of misery....I feel bad dancing on their graves.

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Originally Posted by Triple Threat

A NY cabbie was a die-hard Yankees fan and he truly hated the Red Sox and all their fans. Whenever he was driving, if he saw anyone wearing a Red Sox hat or shirt, he would drive right towards them, swerving away at the last moment, trying to scare the shit out of them.

One day a rabbi got into the cab and as they were driving, the cabbie saw a man with a Red Sox hat. Instinctively he veered right at the man, but then remembering who he had in the back seat, he turned away sharply. The cabbie heard a thud, but when he checked the rear view mirror, he couldn't tell what the noise was.

"I'm sorry, rabbi, I almost hit that Red Sox fan" said the cabbie.

"You missed him" replied the rabbi, "but don't worry. I got him with the door on my side."

Posted by: min0 lee

Dustin Pedroia blames early playoff exit on Fenway Park's grounds crew.

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BOSTON -- If Boston had won on Sunday, the way Dustin Pedroia turned a double play in the sixth inning would have been a highlight.
Instead, the double play that Pedroia could not make in the eighth became an issue. And Pedroia took a couple swipes at the grounds crew because of it.
In the eighth inning, with runners on first and second, and one out, the slow-footed Kendry Morales hit a hard grounder toward the hole between first and second.
Pedroia hustled to his left, but the ball bounced up on him. He could only knock it down and throw Morales out at first. Both runners then scored on Juan Rivera's single.
Two costly runs that Pedroia knows would not have scored if he fielded the grounder cleanly.
"It took a bad hop," Pedroia said. "Our infield (stinks). It's the worst in the game."
Pedroia was obviously peeved, but did not back away from his statement.

He was also peeved the Angels were allowed to fly in their own infield on defense, I also thought that was unfair.

Posted by: IainDaniel

Wow.... what a douchebag response.

Posted by: Double D

That blows my mind. Try playing on dirt infields like me and damn near everyone in America always had to. What a baby.

Posted by: IainDaniel

He has always seemed kinda cunty to me.

Posted by: min0 lee

The one thing I noticed about him is his tendency to flop all over the field, even while he's batting.

Maybe he should look at his .167 BA and take some responsibility for the loss.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Originally Posted by Triple Threat

You had a better time than you would have had sitting in front of the TV watching the games.

Well, I was kind of pissing off the wife asking for her Blackberry so I could check the scores.

I have not really read up on things this week so I can't really comment on the "aftermath." I really didn't expect the Sox to beat the Angels though, so I am really not too pissed off about the loss. I still say there is no stopping the Yankees.

Still lots of proud Sox fans walking around Portland, Maine sporting the gear!

I ate so much lobster the past four days that I am surprised I haven't crapped a lobster claw.

Posted by: min0 lee

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I really didn't expect the Sox to beat the Angels though, so I am really not too pissed off about the loss. I still say there is no stopping the Yankees.

I thought at first they had a comeback in them but too many guys went cold.

I don't know, the Angels seem to beat them during the playoffs. I just hope Joe doesn't go crazy trying to out smart Scioscia, allegedly he's the best manager out there.

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

the Red Sox are just so clearly the superior organization to the Yankees, it's not even funny.

look at the lack of depth that that team has while the Red Sox are able to rest guys here, trot out somebody there, etc.

God, it's nice being the best.

lets go for 12 tomorrow.

Too bad the Angels didn't let them prove it.

Posted by: Triple Threat

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

Too bad the Angels didn't let them prove it.

min0, are you kicking a Red Sox fan when he's down?

Keep up the good work!

Posted by: min0 lee

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min0, are you kicking a Red Sox fan when he's down?

Keep up the good work!

Well he was so outspoken, figured he could explain what happened.

He is actually our good luck charm, every thing he said went the oppsite.

Jeter will suck as a lead off hitter. Wrong.
Ortiz will be an MVP. Wrong.
Jeter sucks at defense. Wrong.
The red sox are superior. Wrong.
plenty more to list.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

You just wait 'til next year.

Posted by: IainDaniel

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You just wait 'til next year.

Yeah I keep hoping for next year as well

Posted by: I Are Baboon

This was my dinner the night the Sox got eliminated. That's crab meat on the lobster.

This was lunch the next day. Two lobster rolls with homemade potato chips and a cask IPA.

And this was more beer I had while missing the games on TV. "Seasonal sampler." Tripel, dubbel, nitro oatmeal stout, barleywine, white ale, imperial porter. The barelywine was the best of the bunch.

Posted by: calalily1972

Oh I can't wait to go back to NE tomorrow!!!!

Posted by: min0 lee

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When the Red Sox swept the Yankees in early June to bring their season record against the Bronx Bombers to 8-0, even the most realistic Sox fan had visions of the team rolling through the postseason to claim its third World Series title of the decade. But now that Boston has been swept from the playoffs by the Angels, sports psychologists estimate that up to 82 percent of Red Sox Nation may be suffering from ... Postseason Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD).

SYMPTOMS INCLUDE:
• Hallucinations involving the frozen, severed head of Ted Williams

• Sensations of droopiness in your “We’re No. 1” foam finger

• Unshakable feeling that Manny Ramirez is laughing at you

• Irrational fear of men named Vladimir

• Delusion that TV clicker can be used to change Papelbon’s blown save into Sox victory

• Recurring flashbacks to October of 1986

Infrequent posting in the Red Sox thread

Leading sports neurologists report there is no cure, though some suggest afflicted Sox fans may benefit from a treatment used by supporters of the old Brooklyn Dodgers: “Wait till next year” therapy.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Righto....

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Meh, that 0-6 against Boston is making me itchy. These two teams pretty much always play to a tie (or close to it) in the season series, so the longer the Sox keep beating them, the more likely it is the Yankees will win the games that really count (like, pennant race or playoffs).

Posted by: min0 lee

Show off.

Posted by: soxmuscle

- trade for Stephen Drew
- sign Matt Holliday
- trade Matsuzaka, Bowden, plus some of the other rumored prospects at the deadline in exchange for Felix Hernandez
- re-sign Alex Gonzalez, if willing to play a bench role
- re-sign Billy Wanger
- sign Rich Harden as rumored as the low risk, high reward player Theo has gone after the last few years
- I happen to think that this is the offseason that the Red Sox go out and pull the string on a catcher, perhaps trading for one such as Saltalamacchia or Taylor Teagarden from Texas.

c - Victor Martinez, Saltalamacchia/Teagarden
1b - Youkilis, Martinez, Kotchman
2b - Pedroia, Lowrie
ss - Stephen Drew, Gonzalez, Lowrie
3b - Lowell, Youkilis, Lowrie
lf - Matt Holliday
cf - Ellsbury
rf - Drew
dh - Ortiz, Lowell

sp - Beckett, Lester, Hernandez, Buchholz, Harden, Wakefield

rp - Papelbon, Wagner, Okajima, Ramirez, etc.

With a line up possibly looking like...

Ellsbury
Pedroia
Martinez
Holliday
Drew
Youkilis
Ortiz
Lowell
S. Drew

that is a deep line up.

oh, to think irrationally while the Yankees celebrate...

Posted by: IainDaniel

Bay Rejects Red Sox offer of 4yrs 60 mill. to test free agent market.

Posted by: Triple Threat

My guess is that it will take close to $20 million per year for at least 3 yrs to sign him.

Posted by: soxmuscle

That's not surprising.

I still think there's a good chance he comes back.

I'd set it probably at 75-25 right now in favor of him returning.

Posted by: soxmuscle

Ortiz already preparing for 2010 - Projo Sox Blog

Should I get the 2010 Prediction Contest started up early?

Posted by: min0 lee

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Ortiz already preparing for 2010 - Projo Sox Blog

Should I get the 2010 Prediction Contest started up early?

Please, please, please!

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