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Posted by: soxmuscle

HAhahahahahaa

Posted by: soxmuscle

LA Times:

According to the Los Angeles Times, Manny Ramirez will be suspended 50 games for a positive PED test.
Ramirez would easily become the biggest star ever suspended by baseball as part of the new performance-enhancing drug policy. According to the L.A. Times, "Ramirez is expected to attribute the test results to medication received from a doctor for a personal medical issue." The suspension will reportedly go into effect Thursday.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

*sigh*

Now you'll hear questions about his legacy and the validity of the 04 and 07 championships.

Posted by: soxmuscle

oh.. who cares.. just turn off ESPN for a week like I've been doing on and off for the last couple years. it's a shit station when you realize that FSN has a better highlite show.

this speaks volumes to the amount of people who were taking steroids, not a team for having a player who was.

Posted by: soxmuscle

Thanks for making me yesterdays news!

Posted by: soxmuscle

Scott Boras saying it was a "prescribed drug and not a steroid" that Ramirez tested positive for.

Hmm...

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

oh.. who cares.. just turn off ESPN for a week like I've been doing on and off for the last couple years. it's a shit station when you realize that FSN has a better highlite show.

this speaks volumes to the amount of people who were taking steroids, not a team for having a player who was.

This is a major story. Turning off ESPN won't make it go away.

Posted by: IainDaniel

Hmmmm.... not a big surprise. But intrigued.

Posted by: soxmuscle

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This is a major story. Turning off ESPN won't make it go away.

Of course it will.

I might read updates online every once in a while and pop my head in this thread, but ESPN is the only station that would make this meaningless news something bigger.

Posted by: IronAddict

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

Thanks for making me yesterdays news!

He must be giving him advice about his stack...it's primo man, good shiite!

Posted by: IronAddict

Manny ? Really, this doesn't surprise me at all. I'm just glad the Dodgers are getting their $45 millions worth!

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Of course it will.

I might read updates online every once in a while and pop my head in this thread, but ESPN is the only station that would make this meaningless news something bigger.

It's on the front page of CNN.com

Posted by: IainDaniel

Will MLB release what he tested positive for? or just list it as a PED?

Posted by: soxmuscle

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Originally Posted by IronAddict

Manny ? Really, this doesn't surprise me at all. I'm just glad the Dodgers are getting their $45 millions worth!

The Dodgers are saving $8 million dollars through this suspension.

He's suspended without pay.

Looking at the NL West, if they use that $8 million to bolster their roster in other areas, they'll be fine for 50 games without Manny.

Posted by: soxmuscle

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Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

It's on the front page of CNN.com

So... your saying we're going to be hearing about PEDs again for an extended period of time?

Fuck my life.

Posted by: bio-chem

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So... your saying we're going to be hearing about PEDs again for an extended period of time?

Fuck my life.

. in this we agree. all sport fans must agree.

Posted by: soxmuscle

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Will MLB release what he tested positive for? or just list it as a PED?

It really depends.

If Boras and Manny are telling the truth, then I would imagine they would love to leak out to the public what exactly he tested positive for.

If they're lying, it'll be lumped into the PEDs list and they'll continue to ramble on about how a doctor prescribed it to him.

Getting to know Boras over the years, it'll probably be the latter.. unless of course you actually believe there was a "mystery team" in the Johnny Damon sweepstakes and he signed with the Yankees for less money...

Posted by: m11

They just announced that he tested positive for HCG. It's a fertility drug used as PCT for steroids.

Posted by: m11

from wikipedia,
In the world of performance enhancing drugs, hCG is increasingly used in combination with various anabolic androgenic steroid (AAS) cycles.
When AAS are put into a male body, the body's natural negative-feedback loops cause the body to shut down its own production of testosterone via shutdown of the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis (HPGA). It is a common misconception that estrogen will be elevated post cycle. Generally, estrogen is below a normal level after a cycle.[11] High levels of AASs that mimic the body's natural testosterone trigger the hypothalamus to shut down its production of gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) from the hypothalamus. Without GnRH, the pituitary gland stops releasing luteinizing hormone (LH). LH normally travels from the pituitary via the blood stream to the testes, where it triggers the production and release of testosterone. Without LH, the testes shut down their production of testosterone, causing testicular atrophy.
In males, hCG mimics LH and helps restore and maintain testosterone production in the testes. As such, hCG is commonly used during and after steroid cycles to maintain and restore testicular size as well as endogenous testosterone production. However, if hCG is used for too long and in too high a dose, the resulting rise in natural testosterone will eventually inhibit its own production via negative feedback on the hypothalamus and pituitary.

Posted by: IainDaniel

So why would a doc prescribe HCG?

Only legal reason I can see is for weight loss.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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So why would a doc prescribe HCG?

Only legal reason I can see is for weight loss.

It was a Florida pharmacy. They prescribe what he asks for.

Posted by: m11

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

So why would a doc prescribe HCG?

Only legal reason I can see is for weight loss.

Doctors also prescribe oxycontins and xanax to patient that probably do not need it anymore. My best guess is that the doctor prescribed it because Manny asked for it

Posted by: IainDaniel

8 million dollar hit on his salary.... ouch.

Posted by: Whatsaroid?

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Originally Posted by m11

They just announced that he tested positive for HCG. It's a fertility drug used as PCT for steroids.

I was just about to type that, I wonder how good he will be when he comes back.

Posted by: min0 lee

Is there anyone who hasn't used steroids or HGH?

I now fear Albert Pujols is also using something.

Posted by: min0 lee

A female fertility drug...

Posted by: min0 lee

Posted by: min0 lee

St. Louis Cardinals manager Tony La Russa was talking to reporters before Thursday’s game against Pittsburgh when a clubhouse attendant stuck his head in and said: “Manny Ramirez(notes), 50 games.”

“You’re kidding me,” La Russa said.

Then he checked the schedule to see whether the Cardinals would be playing the Los Angeles Dodgers while Ramirez is out.

Reaction ranged from shock to self-interest across the sports world and beyond after Major League Baseball suspended the slugger for 50 games for violating the substance abuse policy. The commissioner’s office did not identify the banned substance; Ramirez said it was not steroids, but a medication that a doctor had given him.

“Under the policy that mistake is now my responsibility,” he said in a statement released by the players’ union. “L.A. is a special place to me and I know everybody is disappointed. So am I. I’m sorry about this whole situation.”
NBA star Shaquille O’Neal Tweeted, “Dam manny ramirez, come on man Agggggggggh, agggggggh,agggggh.” White House spokesman Robert Gibbs called the development a tragedy and a shame.

“I think it’s a disappointment to anybody that’s a sports fan,” Gibbs said. “My sense is, it’s a great embarrassment on Major League Baseball. And you hope that each time this happens that others will recognize, if they are doing it, and stop. But, regrettably, it happens over and over again.”

Major league home run leader Carlos Pena(notes) said, “It hurts me deeply.” Rays teammate Carl Crawford(notes) said, “That one touched me a little bit.” Tampa Bay pitcher Scott Kazmir(notes) wondered, as he watched the coverage on television, “Who else is going to be popped, you know?”

Mariners designated hitter Mike Sweeney(notes) called it “a sad day for baseball.” And Seattle first baseman Russell Branyan said, “Shame on us.”

At Fenway Park, where Ramirez played through his prime and became Boston’s first World Series MVP, the writer of his authorized biography happened to be giving a lunchtime talk when the news broke. Jean Rhodes, the author of “Becoming Manny: Inside the Life of Baseball’s Most Enigmatic Slugger,” painted Ramirez as a quirky craftsman who gave off an air of apathy but was diligent in his preparations.

That’s also what Cincinnati Reds pitcher Bronson Arroyo(notes) saw when he played with Ramirez on the 2004 team that ended Boston’s 86-year World Series drought.

“It’s kind of shocking that he got caught up in anything, honestly,” Arroyo said. “Manny likes to play stupid, but he’s a pretty bright guy. And he’s definitely aware of a lot of things that he tries to act like he’s completely oblivious to.”

When Boston’s clubhouse opened Thursday afternoon, TVs were giving the latest developments and few players milled about.

“No comment about Manny,” slugger David Ortiz(notes) said, walking past reporters at his locker. “I play for Boston. Manny plays for L.A. Go and ask him.”

In his pregame meeting with the media, manager Terry Francona deflected three attempts for comment on Ramirez, offering only: “The more you can concentrate on baseball, the better.”

The fourth question was about injuries.

“Bless you,” he told the reporter. “Thank God we’ve got injuries.”

Ramirez’s quirky side made him a fan favorite for his early years in Boston, and it may have helped him become the Hall of Fame-caliber player who seemed unaffected by strikeouts, home runs and paychecks alike. But his uncaring attitude eventually wore thin on his teammates, and he was shipped to Los Angeles last summer.

He batted .396 with the Dodgers with 17 homers and 53 RBIs in 53 games and helped propel them to the playoffs.

“He’s a main cog, and he’s not going to be in play for a while,” Rockies manager Clint Hurdle said. “Any distance we might’ve picked up, we lost as an industry. The sad part of it is that for whatever reasons there are individuals that just aren’t getting it. … There are so many guys that are clean, but they continue to be thrown under a black cloud for those who are involved. … That saddens me, saddens me as a father, it saddens me as a citizen.”

Braves manager Bobby Cox was among those who said he was no longer stunned by any of the revelations. Giants manager Bruce Bochy said his biggest surprise was that players continue to push the limits of the game’s drug-testing system.

“These players know they’re getting tested and they’re still getting caught. I don’t understand it,” Bochy said. “I’m not surprised. … It’s disappointing these major league players are getting caught. It’s not good for the game, it’s not good for the kids who look up to players.”

Former Ramirez teammate Tony Clark(notes), now with the Diamondbacks, agreed.

“Any time you have the superstars in your game find themselves in difficult situations, it can’t help but cast a general cloud over the group as a whole,” he said. “And that’s why someone as respected and appreciated for his ability as Manny is makes it really difficult. As a fan, as a former teammate and obviously now as a competitor, it makes it difficult.”

Reaction spilled into other sports.

Boston Celtics coach Doc Rivers said he thought players should be more concerned about the health effects of steroids.

“But it doesn’t tarnish my image of them. They’re still great players,” Rivers said. “I just hope it all goes away. I just hate anything that deflects from the game.”

Tigers manager Jim Leyland went a step further, saying the suspension would soon be forgotten by the fans who cheered on the 1998 home run race and Bonds’ pursuit of Hank Aaron’s all-time homer record.

“I’ll probably get fired for saying this but I’m going to say it anyway,” Leyland said. “I don’t really think the fans care.”

AP sports writers Howard Ulman in Boston, R.B. Fallstrom in St. Louis, Dave Skretta in New York, Bernie Wilson in San Diego, Joe Kay in Cincinnati, Pat Graham in Denver, Tim Reynolds and Steve Wine in Miami and Associated Press Writer Donna Cassata in Washington contributed to this story.

Posted by: m11

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

Is there anyone who hasn't used steroids or HGH?

I now fear Albert Pujols is also using something.

Whether he uses or not, he says he's 29 years old. Have you seen him? He's a n old looking 29 year old. It would be interesting if they asked him about his age like they did with Tejada

Posted by: dg806

Why else would he need HCG? TO jump start his recovery after taking steroids or during steroids. Plain and simple. But who cares? Why does the public care?

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by m11

Whether he uses or not, he says he's 29 years old. Have you seen him? He's a n old looking 29 year old. It would be interesting if they asked him about his age like they did with Tejada

A lot of players from the caribean tend to lie about their ages.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Originally Posted by dg806

Plain and simple. But who cares? Why does the public care?

Probably because it's illegal and it violates MLB's drug policies, but I'm just guessing.

Posted by: IainDaniel

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Probably because it's illegal and it violates MLB's drug policies, but I'm just guessing.

And that 5 of the top 12 Homerun Hitters are cheaters.

Stats are a big thing in Baseball.

Posted by: IainDaniel

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And that 5 of the top 12 Homerun Hitters are cheaters.

Stats are a big thing in Baseball.

That said..... cheating has occurred in baseball since day one, if you aren't cheating you aren't trying to win.

Posted by: soxmuscle

I'm with dg in the sense that I just don't give a flying fuck about steroids anymore.

5 of the top 12 home run hitters might have failed drug tests at one time or another but there were just as many pitchers on the drugs.

In other words, everybody used performance enhancers in one way or another - the "steroid" era is probably one of the more clean eras when you consider that an entire race of people weren't allowed to play back a hundred years ago.. not to mention, the talent in warm weathered countries such as the Dominican Republic was non-existant.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

I'm with dg in the sense that I just don't give a flying fuck about steroids anymore.

You cared enough to start a thread about it

Posted by: dg806

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Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

Probably because it's illegal and it violates MLB's drug policies, but I'm just guessing.

You can get either HCG or steroids legally if prescribed. Why does MLB or the public care if a player tries to better himself. You all say records...........let everyone use them and they are on a level playing field and it doesn't matter. The only reason this is an issue is because the IOC started this crap and everyone else was forced to follow. If they would have kept their mouths shut, you would never have seen any of this and it would all be peachy keen.

Posted by: IainDaniel

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Not when you have kids who look up to the players thinking they can be in there shoes one day, and thinking they need to take steroids to make it.

Posted by: min0 lee

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. not to mention, the talent in warm weathered countries such as the Dominican Republic was non-existant.

They juice a ton there.

Posted by: min0 lee

Could this also be the reason for Ortiz's slump?

Posted by: m11

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Could this also be the reason for Ortiz's slump?

Bill Simmons is my favorite sports writer. Here's one of his recent articles about the 2004-2007 Red Sox and speculative steroid use.

Bill Simmons: Manny Ramirez's positive drug test makes the Sports Guy confront his worst nightmare - ESPN

Posted by: min0 lee

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I read this article, it was pretty interesting. I was going to post it here to get all of these Red Sox fans all irritated but right now with the Yankees doing so bad I rather not stir things up.

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