Thread: DP Test E 250 & Natco Xtane Bloodwork

ALT and AST are pounded brother. E2 is also way high. Liv 52, Advanced Cycle support and major hydration is needed.

Originally Posted by heavyiron

ALT and AST are pounded brother. E2 is also way high. Liv 52, Advanced Cycle support and major hydration is needed.

Tell me about it...that's why I stopped dbol and going forward I may not touch orals anymore...

Even though my E2 is high I really believe Xtane by Natco is good since I was on a very good amount of test...was pinning an extra 100mg almost everyday and if Xtane was not legit then my E2 would or should have been extremely higher than what it shows...just my .02

I have Liver Juice and IM Cycle SUpport and started that as of today

I'll be doing another run of Xtane in about a month from now

Originally Posted by bulldogz

Tell me about it...that's why I stopped dbol and going forward I may not touch orals anymore...

Even though my E2 is high I really believe Xtane by Natco is good since I was on a very good amount of test...was pinning an extra 100mg almost everyday and if Xtane was not legit then my E2 would or should have been extremely higher than what it shows...just my .02

I have Liver Juice and IM Cycle SUpport and started that as of today

I'll be doing another run of Xtane in about a month from now

Get follow up labs. Most docs pull the plug on meds at 5 times upper limit liver enzymes if the meds are not needed. I highly recommend Liv 52.

I was running that same aromasin at 25 mg/day and my estradiol was 174. I was on test and dbol. I got one bottle with the label upside down. It's supposed to be human grade, but I find it hard to believe that they would put a label on upside down.
thanks for sharing

Man this thread got my attention. I use this aromasin all the time and just got 3 bottles of it last week ! I will have to get bloods next run for sure. It is made in India and for the most part their generics are very good. Many name brand products contract out to these companys for their products. Last spring I ran test, anavar and inj winstrol and my Doc calls and says my liver values are elevated. 3-4 times normal similar to yours. They wanted to know what's up but told me they don't hit the red flag till 7-10 times normal. He said it looked like an average regular drinkers values ! lol. You were on approx 1300 mgs/wk of test and dbol but I hope we can get foloow up on this Extane as I know alot of people use it. By the way I LOVE this forum, Heavy and Exphy keep up the good work !

Oh I just noticed you were on MP aromasin for the day or two before bloods. Even if just for a short time I have read about some issues with their stuff lately. I hope we get to the bottom of this. I guess this all goes to show you - GET BLOODS !

Originally Posted by l69lou

Oh I just noticed you were on MP aromasin for the day or two before bloods. Even if just for a short time I have read about some issues with their stuff lately. I hope we get to the bottom of this. I guess this all goes to show you - GET BLOODS !

sad thing is ya get bloods find bad AI.......NOW WHAT !! I was doing a search on all kinds of forums and bunk turns up on 'em all now and again.

Originally Posted by l69lou

Man this thread got my attention. I use this aromasin all the time and just got 3 bottles of it last week ! I will have to get bloods next run for sure. It is made in India and for the most part their generics are very good. Many name brand products contract out to these companys for their products. Last spring I ran test, anavar and inj winstrol and my Doc calls and says my liver values are elevated. 3-4 times normal similar to yours. They wanted to know what's up but told me they don't hit the red flag till 7-10 times normal. He said it looked like an average regular drinkers values ! lol. You were on approx 1300 mgs/wk of test and dbol but I hope we can get foloow up on this Extane as I know alot of people use it. By the way I LOVE this forum, Heavy and Exphy keep up the good work !

The more I think about it...I think the guaiacol my have also contributed to my elevated liver values as well...

Just something I have to look into at this point...

So are you sayin you ran anavar and the same Xtane and your liver vaules were also elevated this much..?..interesting

My elevated liver values were due to the inj winstrol and anavar as far as I know. Both these compounds will cause this. I was just relating my experience . I expected it and only would run these for 5-6 weeks. When you see it on paper though and know it is YOUR liver it makes you take stock real quick. I did not use a liver supp but did drink 1.5 gal water /day. I stopped the winni and anavar that day and everything was normal next month.

I don't think the dbol alone would have elevevated my AST/ALT this much...

I just looked into guaiacol and it belong to a methoxy group...which I believe has to go through demethylation..

Sucks as this was the super solvent I was using for my home brew of TNE and for blends in the near future..

this is from msds sheet on guaiacol


CHRONIC HEALTH EFFECTS
! Limited evidence suggests that repeated or long-term occupational exposure may produce cumulative health effects involving organs or
biochemical systems.
There is limited evidence that, skin contact with this product is more likely to cause a sensitization reaction in some persons compared to the
general population.
Long-term exposure to phenol derivatives can cause skin inflammation, loss of appetite and weight, weakness, muscle aches and pain, liver
damage, dark urine, loss of nails, skin eruptions, diarrhea, nervous disorders with headache, salivation, fainting, discoloration of the skin and
eyes, vertigo and mental disorders, and damage to the liver and kidneys.
Some phenol-based naturally occurring substances, (e.g. phenol, guaiacol, tannic acid, eugenol) undergo conversion to produce derivatives
which produce skin (and possibly respiratory) sensitisation. Each of these compounds has phenolic hydroxyl groups which are readily
oxidized to produce reactive quinone-like compounds. Phenol is converted in the body to quinone whilst guaiacol (ortho-methoxyphenol) and
eugenol (2-allylguaiacol) are converted to the ortho-quinone. Both eugenol and isoeugenol (4-propenylguaiacol) are pro-haptens that require
biotransformation to become protein-reactive haptens. Although they are close structural isomers they show markedly different levels of
sensitisation and are weakly cross-reactive in in vivo tests. Isoeugenol is a strong sensitiser and eugenol is moderate. It appears that neither
share a common mechanism for sensitisation although structural similarities exist. This relates to different mechanisms of biotransformation.
Cinnamaldehyde and cinnamic acid are structurally related to eugenol and isoeugenol; they seen to generate a common hapten and appear
to produce simultaneous sensitisation to eugenol and isoeugenol despite being metabolised via different pathways. Buckley et al British Jnl of
Dermatology 2006 Vol 154 pp 885-884
The phenolics and related substances permeate the dermis where they undergo bio-distribution. Phenolic permeation is related to
liphophilicity and molecular volume. Phenols are metabolised by cutaneous enzymes or other processes to form reactive metabolites or may
be chemically modified through the reaction of UV light. The skin has a wide-ranging metabolic capability which can perform essentially all
the metabolic transformation which are know to be carried out in the liver. Metabolic by- products may be haptens and produce sensitisation.
Eugenol although a weak sensitiser, in its own right, is oxidised to the highly reactive ortho-quinone. The sensitising principal in poison ivy, a
catechol know as urishiol, appears to undergo similar oxidation to produce a reactive hapten. These reactive haptens bind to dermal proteins

I'd definitely say your estro would be higher than that if the xtane was bunk. Maybe underdosed hard to say but its definitely doing something, you would probably easily be 200+ with all that test/dbol

^^I also say the same thing...

I have 4 more Xtane bottles and going to do another blast in about a month

I'll get bloods right in mid cycle while on a ridiculous amount of test along with Xtane

Originally Posted by bulldogz

I don't think the dbol alone would have elevevated my AST/ALT this much...

I just looked into guaiacol and it belong to a methoxy group...which I believe has to go through demethylation..

Sucks as this was the super solvent I was using for my home brew of TNE and for blends in the near future..

I just read your post. Guaiacol was in the inj winstrol I used that had my enzymes high. Interesting ?!

Originally Posted by l69lou

I just read your post. Guaiacol was in the inj winstrol I used that had my enzymes high. Interesting ?!

Yeah bro...guaiacol is a great solvent but some nasty shit..

ya bro switch to a dif ai
and get some advanced cycle support

stay away from orals for sure

I'm almost 8 weeks into my cycle 700mg Test E/week and 500mg EQ/week. Week 1-5 was Dbol 40mg/day. I've also been using the Natco Aromasin from ADC..but i think it might be bunk. I've made great strength gains and have held onto the Dbol weight. But my libido has been in the toilet and I've been somewhat lethargic. I switched to Adex about 2 days ago and my libido is already coming back. I can only surmise that my estro and SHBG remained high even while taking the Natco aromasin. I also had bloodwork done 2 days ago and I am waiting on the results.

I was little put off by the Natco labelling..it seemed a little amateurish for a HG pharm. It doesn't make me feel any better to read that someone got a bottle with the label upside down...

I was the one who got some of the natco aromasin and the label was upside down. My estradiol was 174 while on 25mg/day.

Originally Posted by exphys88

I was the one who got some of the natco aromasin and the label was upside down. My estradiol was 174 while on 25mg/day.

iv just got 3 bottles of natco xtane from ADC. Did your xtane have a short shelf life?, mine was MFD 04/2012 EXP 09/2013. i think a 17 month shelf life for an oral med is not normal, anyone else notice this on there xtane?

Originally Posted by chunkylover

iv just got 3 bottles of natco xtane from ADC. Did your xtane have a short shelf life?, mine was MFD 04/2012 EXP 09/2013. i think a 17 month shelf life for an oral med is not normal, anyone else notice this on there xtane?

Sorry, I don't know and no longer have the bottles.

well im never using xtane from ADC again! i used 25mg a day for 16 days while cruising on test e 250 a week, had used nolva for 2 weeks previously(for letro rebound) and 5 days into xtane treatment, but a couple of days after stopping nolva(1 week into xtane treatment) my already existing very mild gyno became very irritated.
been on letro for 3 days now and things are defo calming down.

A good friend who I workout with was taking 12.5mg/day of natco xtane from ReliableRxPharmacy. He was on 600mg/wk test e. He got labs and his estrogen came back at 68. I wish I could get him to post this so it wouldn't be second hand. He upped it and went with 25mg/day. I will ask him if he got follow up labs he said he would. I know reliable and ADC are related companies. To me that result seems reasonable.

Originally Posted by l69lou

A good friend who I workout with was taking 12.5mg/day of natco xtane from ReliableRxPharmacy. He was on 600mg/wk test e. He got labs and his estrogen came back at 68. I wish I could get him to post this so it wouldn't be second hand. He upped it and went with 25mg/day. I will ask him if he got follow up labs he said he would. I know reliable and ADC are related companies. To me that result seems reasonable.

maybe xtane just isnt for me being gyno prone, iv read on alot of forums aromasin not working as well as it should for some ppl.

Originally Posted by chunkylover

maybe xtane just isnt for me being gyno prone, iv read on alot of forums aromasin not working as well as it should for some ppl.

I've tried using prescription aromasin many times even in very high doses, and it doesn't do jack shit for my estro levels. Letrozole knocks them right out, though, and my experience so far has been that purchase peptides' letro is as good as pharm-grade.

Originally Posted by exphys88

I was running that same aromasin at 25 mg/day and my estradiol was 174. I was on test and dbol. I got one bottle with the label upside down. It's supposed to be human grade, but I find it hard to believe that they would put a label on upside down.
thanks for sharing

I know it?s my first post and I?m bringing an old post up too, but I came to this thread after some search and would like to tell everyone to keep away from Natco Xtane! They are bunk (not under dosed), but purely bunk! I used aromasin before and it works great with me. It knocks estro in small decrements in my occasion. Here is what happened? After my previous cycle I did a blood test to check my estro after my PCT by 1.5months so that means my body should have returned back to normal. My tests came back with an E2 value of 60. So I decided to take 25mg everyday for 12 days since I have an idea on the amount of drop of e2 in my body. After that I stopped using the aromasin and did blood work after 1.5 months later. I wanted to get ready for another cycle and see if everything is fine and got surprised that my E2 didn?t move anywhere and came back with 60 again! Natco have been legit from the reviews I read, but I am sure that they decided in going the bunk route now since they made a reputation in the past.

I am discussing this ADC right now and hope they find me a solution as I bought a good amount of Natco bottles