Thread: 200mg/week Watson results

What was your estradiol?

They didn't test it. I have no idea.

At the risk of calling you a liar, I don't believe this. OR you didn't follow testing protocol...I can't see how, if protocol was followed, you would test at that number with Watson.

Originally Posted by hoyle21

Came back at 480. Yes, it's low. If you look at some of my other post you will see I have a lump under my left nipple. I feel I am aromatizing to estrogen at a higher than normal rate. I have some GenShi arimidex I'm going to start taking and retest in around 8 weeks. I want to see if that makes a difference.

It might also give us something else to look at when we see low lab results.

holy shit. i was taking 250mgs of DP test E and 2 week after my last injection i was at 950.

Originally Posted by Coop817

At the risk of calling you a liar, I don't believe this. OR you didn't follow testing protocol...I can't see how, if protocol was followed, you would test at that number with Watson.

I don't know what to tell you. I have a prescription so I literally have nothing to hide. I wish I had a E2 number. I'm planning on using some GenShi adex for around 8 weeks and then test again. My plan is 1mg a day until my joint hurt then .25 to maintain.

I have PM'd my results to heavy so maybe he can chime in. I really think I'm just converting a lot to E2. Which explains the lump at only 200mgs a week.

That's crazy....I'm on 200 mg of Watson cyp, and 6 days after a 100mg injection, I'm at 800.

Originally Posted by Coop817

That's crazy....I'm on 200 mg of Watson cyp, and 6 days after a 100mg injection, I'm at 800.

I think what's important here is that we may all need to keep a closer eye on e2 levels when evaluating test results. I know for a fact my test is legit, I get it from rite aid, but these results are not very impressive.

FYI- I refilled my script today and got paddocks. My next test will still be pharma grade though.

Originally Posted by Coop817

At the risk of calling you a liar, I don't believe this. OR you didn't follow testing protocol...I can't see how, if protocol was followed, you would test at that number with Watson.

Of course he did not follow protocol. He said so right in his post. Protocol is 28 days, with about 900 mg the first week and 300 each week thereafter, with 6 days of nothing and a blood draw on the seventh day following the last injection.

He was on 200 mg weekly script. It is different.

I wish I knew more about how E2 effects test numbers....I didn't think a high e2 number would cause you to test lower on your testosterone...

Originally Posted by malfeasance

Of course he did not follow protocol. He said so right in his post. Protocol is 28 days, with about 900 mg the first week and 300 each week thereafter, with 6 days of nothing and a blood draw on the seventh day following the last injection.

He was on 200 mg weekly script. It is different.

That is all 100% true, it is still quite a bit lower than it should be. An extra 100mgs isn't going to triple my levels.

Originally Posted by Coop817

I wish I knew more about how E2 effects test numbers....I didn't think a high e2 number would cause you to test lower on your testosterone...

My thought is that my body is turning the testosterone into E2 at a much faster than normal pace. So my test level is lower because it's being converted to E2.

I'll know for after my next test, or I'll know GenShi adex is bunk.

Originally Posted by hoyle21

That is all 100% true, it is still quite a bit lower than it should be. An extra 100mgs isn't going to triple my levels.

Understood, but when you consider that my results were only a little higher than yours with 50% more injected - The Watson does not look so bad!

Originally Posted by hoyle21

Came back at 480. Yes, it's low.

Was this 7 days after last injection?

Extrapolating to 300 mg by multiplying by 1.5 = 720

(if it works that way)

Still way low, like a little over half of what should be, again, assuming the numbers work that way.

Originally Posted by malfeasance

Understood, but when you consider that my results were only a little higher than yours with 50% more injected - The Watson does not look so bad!

I'm forgetting what your results were. I also think that by taking an AI I am going to raise them a lot. Unless the GenShi adex is bunk Im hoping my next test will will be around 700 with the same dosage.

Originally Posted by malfeasance

Was this 7 days after last injection?

Extrapolating to 300 mg by multiplying by 1.5 = 720

(if it works that way)

Still way low, like a little over half of what should be, again, assuming the numbers work that way.

I know the math makes sense, Im not sure it works like that biologically.

But I have a lump under my nipple which means I'm converting a lot to estrogen. I don't think too many people have gyno issues at 200mgs per week. The E2 number is really the missing piece of info here. If my E2 is in the 300's I think we could conclude that's where the missing testosterone is. I just don't have proof of that number.

I'm going to keep everything the same, except add the adex I have. If my test levels spike than we know that E2 number is important to know when judging how a product is doses. If my E2 level is super high I'll know my gen shi adex is bunk.

Something's gotta give here.

Again, if that doesn't make sense let me know. I'll keep this thread updates.

My test levels came back at 460 on only 50mgs a week.

Originally Posted by Coop817

At the risk of calling you a liar, I don't believe this. OR you didn't follow testing protocol...I can't see how, if protocol was followed, you would test at that number with Watson.

Maybe OP is a female

How many weeks total were you on the 200mg Testosterone before labs?

Originally Posted by heavyiron

How many weeks total were you on the 200mg Testosterone before labs?

4 months.

Originally Posted by hoyle21

4 months.

You may consider labs on E2 and SHBG. I imagine aromatization is why the Total T is a bit low. An AI should address E2, SHBG and the gyno symptom.

Originally Posted by heavyiron

You may consider labs on E2 and SHBG. I imagine aromatization is why the Total T is a bit low. An AI should address E2, SHBG and the gyno symptom.

I think so. I have a bunch of adex from gen shi. I'm going to run it for 8 weeks and retest. I'll have it done on my own since my doctor doesn't seem concerned at all about E2 numbers.

Heavy, will a privatemdlab female panel test show my e2 levels?
Thanks, Scagnetti

I know this is off too but I feel great between 400 and 600mg a week.

I had similair issue with Watson.E2 was right on the money and my test readings were lower than OP @ 7 days out. Doc/pharmacy gave me a new 10 ml jug and reading went well within test range-OD

There have been issues in the last year or so with fake medications.
It was in the news in compounding weekly about 6 months ago. There is a very real chance your Watson cyp is fake.
I would still start with looking at E2 levels. If its sky high this is likely your issue. If its within normal range your gear is bad.
Paddock has been good to me.

I'm pretty sure my E2 is high, just don't know how high.

Originally Posted by SCAGNETTI

Heavy, will a privatemdlab female panel test show my e2 levels?
Thanks, Scagnetti

Yes

Originally Posted by hoyle21

I'm pretty sure my E2 is high, just don't know how high.

Your Cyp is fine. 200mg T weekly can yield these results 7 days out without an AI. I have been tested at this dose probably like a dozen times and my Total T bounces around a few hundred points. An AI is very likely the solution.

Hoyle, what is your age?