Third set of labs not good HELP PLEASE

**xnvseal** · 11-28-2012, 09:47 AM

Ok everyone. I have gone through three different lab tests from my first cycle. I ran a 10 week cycle tHat looked like this:

Test p wk 1-2 50mg Ed
Test E wk 1-10 250mg x2 weekly
Tren a wk 7-10 50mg Ed
Winny oil inj. Wk 7-10 100mg daily
Hcg wk 1-10 250 x3 MWF

Cycle started June and ended on August 14. 2012. I did not start PCT which was minimal until October 16 and ended October 26. I ran Clomid at 50mg a day for 11 days only. LiBido was solid until mid to end September then crash. Hence the reason I started PCT in October. I know it was late but after running Clomid for 11 days I took the last pill October 26 and did first bloods October 27. Do to the clomidmthe labs were skewed see results below:

Testosterone serum 964ng/dl
LH 17.5miu/ml
FSH 16.8miu/ml
Estradiol 23.2pg/ml

No prolactin or progesterone was tested. No libido and it sucked.

Second blood test on November 8. 2012 about 12 after previous test. Still think Clomid was lingering and the results were as follows:

Testosterone serum 1049ng/dl increase of 85ng/dl (odd)
LH 20.6miu/ml increase of 3.8miu/ml
FSH 16.4miu/ml decrease of .4miu/ml
Estradiol 45.6pg/ml increase of 22.4pg/ml ( doubled wonder why)
Prolactin 6.5ng/ml (first time testing )

I still have no libido and for the increases seems odd. Wondering if I am recovering and how to interpret what is going on.

I have been taking for around 1 week :

P5P (200mg daily)
Vitamin e (400iu daily)
Zinc (100mg daily)
DAA (3G daily)
L-arginine (1000mg daily)

I am a worry wort but needing to gain my libido back is important. I know everyone here can understand and appreciate my worry. I hope these threads are information for future individuals looking use AAS.

Now my third test that is now 29 days clomid free. My numbers are elevated so looking for advice on how to lower everything back to normal and increase libido again.

Third set of Labs (Will show increase or decrease from prior set):

Third labs set 11/8/12

Testosterone serum 1026ng/dl decrease of 23ng/dl (Heading in the right direction?)
LH 25.6miu/ml increase of 5miu/ml ( Whats going on?)
FSH 19miu/ml increase of 2.6miu/ml (Odd isn't it?)
Estradiol 85.2pg/ml increase of 39.6/ml ( Doubled for a second time??)
Prolactin 9.8ng/ml increase of 3.3ng/ml(Increased hmm)
Progesterone 1.3ng/ml ( Did not test before Doc Iron Recommended)

So whats the verdict guys what should I do to get back to normal and get libido back? Does this tell you why libido is dead by my results?

**vicious 13** · 11-28-2012, 10:05 AM

What's your " normal" test range

**xnvseal** · 11-28-2012, 10:19 AM

I didn't get pre cycle labs.

**longworthb** · 11-28-2012, 11:28 AM

First off drop that estro down

**vicious 13** · 11-28-2012, 11:32 AM

Well so then how do u know what's normal and how is your test still so high

**xnvseal** · 11-28-2012, 11:56 AM

No idea that's why I'm askin what to do. I have no libido and can't get it up at all.

**xnvseal** · 11-29-2012, 10:13 AM

Does no one in this forum have any ideas? Come on guys help please.

**vicious 13** · 11-29-2012, 10:15 AM

I'll look over it again in a little bit... the first time I read it confused the shit out of me soon as my life leaves for work I'll get on my computer

**SloppyJ** · 11-29-2012, 10:25 AM

Looks like the clomid was still lingering around on your last test. Your LH and FSH look high but I like to test 6 weeks after my last clomid dose to see what's going on.

**xnvseal** · 11-29-2012, 10:43 AM

I appreciate the second look thanks.

For the post under clomid lingers for that long? What can be hindering the libido? Do the labs show anything I'm not seeing

**Digitalash** · 11-29-2012, 12:49 PM

Serms have a fairly long half life, I believe clomids is a week so its probably not fully out of your system for up to 4. Serms can also affect libido, not sure if thats your issue but take something to bring your estro down and give it a few weeks see if your libido returns. A low dose of aromasin may not be a bad idea since your estro is so high in latest test

**xnvseal** · 11-29-2012, 09:50 PM

Really aromasin huh?

**xnvseal** · 11-30-2012, 05:35 PM

Can you guys review a link to a doc I spoke to and he said he could help. Totally confidential and anonymous

http://innovativemen.com/the-innovative-approach/

**Digitalash** · 11-30-2012, 08:06 PM

You're doing the right thing by doing bloodwork, but I don't think they could offer too much advice beyond what you've already tested. I don't see anything really "wrong" that should cause libido issues, but I would say get your estro in check with some aromasin and give your body time to balance out. Take some cialis, 10-20mg every other day, and just see how you feel in another 4-6 weeks. If you still have issues retest again, if not taper down the aromasin and come off. I'm not sure exact dose but you probably could use like 10mg ed or EOD for 4-6 weeks just to keep test production up and estro back down. Your prolactin I believe will come down with estro if thats the problem, I believe that can take some time though

**xnvseal** · 11-30-2012, 08:17 PM

Digitalash I appreciate the input. He can prescribe adex with a script though. That could be beneficial.

**xnvseal** · 11-30-2012, 10:16 PM

Right?

**Digitalash** · 11-30-2012, 11:45 PM

when you come off adex you can have estrogen rebound, and end up lowering your test levels and be in a similar position you're in now. Aromasin would be best IMO

**xnvseal** · 12-01-2012, 02:10 AM

What's gonna bring my libido back up to normal and level out my hormones?

**HtownN00b** · 12-01-2012, 02:25 AM

Honestly bringing your estro down like digital and longworthb said will hopefully help the "crash" fade as your body recovers more. I don't mean to be crude but do you appear to have any atrophy in your balls? if your shut down and the levels you got from your bloods are high from the serms still in your system it could be wise to blast some HCG since you didn't really do a proper pct. however with your estro levels so high hcg may agitate it worse. Go with aromasin over adex though for sure..Best of luck..keep the thread updated

**Digitalash** · 12-01-2012, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by xnvseal

What's gonna bring my libido back up to normal and level out my hormones?

Honestly I don't see anything that should be causing major libido issues, I would say get estro in check and use some cialis for a while so you can stop thinking about it, it may be in your head really bro but give it some time

**xnvseal** · 12-01-2012, 09:41 AM

Much appreciated guys

**Digitalash** · 12-01-2012, 11:13 AM

you can find cialis and aromasin easily at research chem sites, one in my sig is pretty good

**xnvseal** · 12-01-2012, 12:12 PM

Ok so bad experience. Went to a naturopath and gave him all of my blood work fr the past three labs. He sated he wanted to get estrogen down and use anastrozole at .10mg and monitor bloods. He wanted to run an IGF-1 blood test , spa and a few other labs like I did and charge me 500.00 for the blood work , initial visit , and follow up visit.

So now the big part. He is also an ED specialist and wanted to give me TRIMIX an injection to my cock. I was like no way. He an a test dosage and it hurt like hell. He then offered me sublingual levitra, Viagra, or Cialis with apomorphine added to it. Wanted to charge me 100 for the applicator for TRIMIX plus $30 for each injection. WTF. Seemed like a rake over the coals scam. And $30 a piece for the sublingual a with apomorphine that broke into quarters so they said it was so potent to use a quarter so each sublingual is $30 for 4 uses.

What should I do I guess I need to self medicate.

**xnvseal** · 12-01-2012, 12:18 PM

Ok so bad experience. Went to a naturopath and gave him all of my blood work fr the past three labs. He sated he wanted to get estrogen down and use anastrozole at .10mg and monitor bloods. He wanted to run an IGF-1 blood test , spa and a few other labs like I did and charge me 500.00 for the blood work , initial visit , and follow up visit.

So now the big part. He is also an ED specialist and wanted to give me TRIMIX an injection to my cock. I was like no way. He an a test dosage and it hurt like hell. He then offered me sublingual levitra, Viagra, or Cialis with apomorphine added to it. Wanted to charge me 100 for the applicator for TRIMIX plus $30 for each injection. WTF. Seemed like a rake over the coals scam. And $30 a piece for the sublingual a with apomorphine that broke into quarters so they said it was so potent to use a quarter so each sublingual is $30 for 4 uses.

What should I do I guess I need to self medicate.

**Digitalash** · 12-01-2012, 12:28 PM

I'd advise aromasin over arimidex personally, and already suggested cialis. You can get both cheap and self medicate until the problem resolves itself. Don't fuck with penile injections until its reallyyyy a problem lol. Cialis should work for you though, and get your estro down for a while. If that doesn't work we'll try caber, you can do it now if you like .5mg 2x a week.

**xnvseal** · 12-01-2012, 12:44 PM

Perfect I have caber and cialis at the house. No aromasin yet. What dosage of aromasin and for how long and same with caber?

Fuck the penile injections I was like are you kidding me !

**Digitalash** · 12-01-2012, 01:26 PM

I've tried that trimix stuff once, don't ask why

anyway I think 10mg aromasin a day for 4-6 weeks, and caber at .5mg twice a week will be ok. Cialis 10-20 ED or EOD, retest in a month-6 weeks if you still have an issue

**xnvseal** · 12-01-2012, 01:28 PM

Will 12.5mg aromasin be ok? And when you say caber 2x a week like Monday /Thursday or?

**Digitalash** · 12-01-2012, 01:34 PM

Yes thats probably fine, you may not need so much aromasin being off cycle really. You could probably split 12.5mg in 2 and take half each day. Also you could probably use caber at .25mg mon/fri. .5mg twice a week is usually reccomended for people on cycle with 19nor's, you probably don't need so much

**xnvseal** · 12-01-2012, 01:50 PM

Hard to break open a capsule. That's the only issue.

ideas

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