Just Need Some Advice
Hey guys, I've been using 250mg of Test E a week since mid April 2013. The results are great. As I showed in my labs post I went from the very bottom of the test range to > 1500. http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/mlg-pharma/183097-mlg-trt-labs.html
Since everyone raves about Tren, I decided to add 100mg of Tren E a week a month ago. However, I haven't noticed anything extra really. No sides, no extra weight lifted, no pounds gained.
Most say more Tren and less Test. Should I do 200mg Tren E and 100mg Test E a week instead? Can I expect anything different?
I am also taking 1mg of Arimidex a week and .25mg of Pramipexole ED.
Thanks in advance to anyone who offers helpful advice.
Leave test around 200 and up Tren to 3-400 IMO.
Keep you Test at 250, just increase your Tren to at least 300/wk I would rather you be an Acetate becasue you have never taken tren, But since you have it. Just increase the tren brother.
^^^truth id go tren A 75-100mg EOD youll be happy
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Sounds good. I kind of wanted to leave Test alone since that would allow me to isolate the effects of Tren E. I will stick to Tren E over Tren A for now since I already have the former.
I'll taper the Tren E in increments of 50mg. I'm at 100 now, so 150 to 200 to 250, etc. I'll keep you guys posted.
Thats a good idea to isolate test to gauge tren. I agree with what OldSchool suggested.
You just got some real good advice from these guys, actually shows their experience, i like seeing that in our pound, guys with experience and with that comes more options that have been tried and trued. (swfl) and (oldschoollifter). You both are right on the money, i gotta agree and if you dont mind would just like to add, i agreed w/ oldschool on acetate because not only has op have little experiance with tren, we know ethanate breaks down slower and if he does start having bad sides, it wont subside fast at all, and with acetate, it can leave the body alot faster, or if you need to adjust it, you can fine tune acetate, also going up to 300 right now is crucial if your not feeling it so to say.
And swfl, heres another guy who knows his drug, if you do end up running acetate, ive had success w/ his protocol also, doing the drug eod, actually all my drugs with fast esters work great eod, trens metabolites are very liver taxing, i suffered acute liver and kidney failure and beat death, i get better results doing 100mgs eod then 50 ed, and my urine clears, ed it does not and thinking it was just the color of tren i missed the dangers got jaundice and then failure, so i think its safer to run fast esters eod and slow esters sometimes i run 1x a week if im pinning 1000 or more, and mid cycle i go every 4th day, but swfl recommendation is thae dose of one ive ran, with only one variable, i run my drug esters together, for example right now im on tren also but im pinning tren e every 4th or 5th day and tren a eod, i have tren constantly breaking down and it feels good, i do it with test too, i pin prope eod and cyp weekly or every 4th day, you can make your own schedule once you see how you r body reacts to tren, right now 100mgs a week might have been good to get it in your system, but now its do or die, you need to follow these guys advices, they both know exactly what there talking about, and you cant buy that experiance, you gotta earn it so take notes. they also touched on keeping the testosterone lower, absolutely, in turn keeping tren sides down, but also keeping the main vein functioning, thanks for contributing guys and helping us out over here, thats how we learn, hands on experiances, books assist us, but experiance from these guys are very valuable because they tell us what will and will not work for the results we are working and paying so hard for,
and im glad their in the pound, what an asset to us all, thank you.
dawgpound 4-all !!
Originally Posted by theboneman
To touch a bit more on why a lot of us enjoy Tren higher than our Test is for a very particular reason. We have a limited amount of androgenic receptors, When you dose your test higher, a battle of sorts start within your body, the Test and Tren start to fight for superiority, in this case the compound with the higher numbers wins the battle. Leaving your excess Tren that did not get to bind to freely circulate and bind later. This free circulating tren is what causes a majority of the sides tren users experience.
You can minimize this by increasing your tren dose with only 250-300 Test to maintain male functions, leaving the Tren to do the heavy lifting. In other words what compound would you rather have working for you rather than against you?
Unfortunately, There is a lot of conflicting evidence regarding this method, But with my own trial and error, I really enjoy running my tren higher, Libido is insane (tren) night sweats are a bit less crazy, blood pressure is more stable, and as far as prolactin goes, I have no need to run an anti prolactin agent, as long as my e2 is in check, I'm fine! When I used to run it the traditional way, I always had issues controlling prolactin, Rage was a big issue for me, and my blood pressure was constantly elevated, I attribute most of the negative sides I experience to my increase in prolactin. Now that I run it the other way, more than half of the negatives i used to experience are gone, and its a much more enjoyable ride.
So many members over the last couple years have started to run tren higher, and have never looked back. There is a reason why most who try it this way, never go back to cycling it they way they use to.
Keep us posted on your run.
As for tapering it up, No need to boss. Since its an enanthate ester, it will upregulate on its own, as the ester will allow your blood to slowly increase rather than peak extremely quickly. Id increase the dose from now, rather than waste 3 weeks tapering it up. If you start with at least 300 now, within 3 week it will finally be stable, rather than rising.
Now I feel like a dope for not taking the time to articulate my reasons. It was done by the others so I won't rehash it. Bones thank you for the props while I don't always understand what you say I do appreciate that you say it... Your info on this one is insightful and scary so it's good for all of us to get a wake up call from time to time to keep us grounded. OSL dead on and well said thanks for taking the time to clarify how and why.
Now this circle jerk has adjourned I hope everyone is happy and educated.
Ha, yeah great "circle jerk." Thanks bonez and OSL for providing me with so much information. I was expecting something like "Take 2 grams of Tren bro" when I first posted.
You guys are right, in the trenches know how beats research all day. I was trying to figure it out on my own, but I knew I could count of some of you guys.
Thank you all so much.
my second cycle that i am on now i am a tren e Virgin and at 400mg@week the sides hit me hard but CLAM down alot , i was telling my buddys that ill run tren ALWAYs in my cycle , love it love it love it
Man i missed a circle jerk ?!! You mean i could of got a reach around, hahaha, i fell asleep on the keyboard and that was all she wrote,lol, hey guys thank you for elaborating, you dont know how hard we worked to bring and keep mlg accountable to you guys, all three forums we have kept the same tempo, day in and day out, what it has brought is a larger client base and alot of newbies, so when im done with all three forums the pm's the emails the list the mail to mlg, i really appreciate seeing guys like yourself in the forum schooling the new guys, which is really respectful of you, you know newbies sometimes say and do alot of things they shoudnt, but your keeping the tone we set when your overseeing the pound when were not here, and sharing the experience you have learned from hands on, and reading, trial and error and countless hours in forums, man you cant buy that, so i was very sincere when i said thank you, and your always welcome to school us with that kind of knowledge, shit im all ears !!
Somebody better wake me the hell up next time theres a freebie man, :]
^^This guy!!^^ :roflmao:
Originally Posted by OldSchoolLifter