LESLIE'S (aka FF) BULK

**Leslie** · 11-25-2002, 11:46 AM

I guess I am in

**Dr. Pain** · 11-25-2002, 12:51 PM

Show us a plan, Semi FF?

DP

**Leslie** · 11-25-2002, 02:10 PM

well........................................

I am not quite sure. I will probably be doing something along the lines of the womens bulk, but I REALLY would like to incorporate PRE and POST w/o carbs. I know this is not agreeable with you DP, but I really FEEL the diff..Yes I SEE the diff too

I am not afraid of a lil fat if it means more muscle gains!
I have worked out on higher fat/lwr carb and never felt the pump I do now. My w/o’s kick ass. Is there ANYWAY to incorporate this? The carb source would of course be the slow burners: oats, sweet p, banana ect…. Come on DP, work with me

Maybe by eliminating the carb ups? There has to be a formula for this…..please?

:crossingfingers:

**Leslie** · 11-25-2002, 02:24 PM

DP~ Please see above......

TWO WORDS:

: openmind:

**Dr. Pain** · 11-25-2002, 02:27 PM

Why don't you just try post for a week or two and see how your physique refats....err...reacts! D:

Then, if it is working...and you have tried the "Woman's Bulk" in earnest (which by itself should make you feel fuller)...you can always ADD more l8er!

DP

**Leslie** · 11-25-2002, 02:37 PM

Would I skip the carb ups then?

I am CHICKEN, I can't fuqing do it GRRRR

**dvlmn666** · 11-25-2002, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by Leslie2196
I am CHICKEN, I can't fuqing do it GRRRR

CAN'T

what do you mean can't. If you put your mind to it you'll do it and do it perfect.

Hi and good luck by the way.

**Dr. Pain** · 11-25-2002, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by Leslie2196
Would I skip the carb ups then?

I am CHICKEN, I can't fuqing do it GRRRR

Leslie...then just try the Women's Bulk and we will tweak in a week, K?

I/We have never let you down!

DP

**Leslie** · 11-25-2002, 06:09 PM

No you haven't

Ok, I was just looking over the W. Bulk again and it does seem like enough food. I am not sure about how to incorporate Thanksgivign into it though

I dont see room for PUMPKIN MUFFINS....I am NOT passing up either...Its the LAST time of year I can get some!

Question: I have Glutamine from way back when...Will do 5g pre and post w/o...how bout creatine? I have nvr touched the stuff in my life. What does it do? Should I be taking it?

**Dr. Pain** · 11-25-2002, 06:25 PM

Creatine is like "Fairy Dust"

Yes you can take it....a zillion posts on it. Basically it increases contractile capabitly, allowing you to stress your muscles longer and/or harder...either resulting in accelerated adaptaon (growth and strength) Also recylces ADP back into ATP, often giving a feeling of more energy during the latter parts of a W/O

...and something called "cell volumazation" that you do NOT want to know about!

DP

**Leslie** · 11-25-2002, 06:26 PM

Ok sounds cool. Mr. Supplement King: I ask you what brand is best?

**Dr. Pain** · 11-25-2002, 06:30 PM

Look for a "Creapure" logo...mean SKW Labs....Optimum, Prolab, Universal, and others...second choice....look for the PF logo (Phanstiel)

DP

**Leslie** · 11-26-2002, 06:46 AM

Ok, last night I enjoyed my PB on wheat PRE workout and the BEST batch of protein pancakes ever POST workout. :shutupDP:

My goal here is to obviously gain muscle mass without much fat. I have the determination BACK since there was a terrible episode in the gym. There is this old couple (like 80yrs who look 60yrs) and the man (very nice, thinks I should model

) said to ME last night that my FACE looks much better now that its FILLED out!! My WORST NIGHTMARE was confirmed! I HAVE A FAT FACE!

My BF said he meant it as a compliment

WHATEVER!! Although I will admit as I was dropping the BF I thought my face was getting uglier...due to the gaunt look with my Italian nose I guess. I dunno if my face is fat or not ( I WILL be posting a pic for opinions!

) but it was all the ammunition I needed to get this clean bulk done!

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

11/25/02 BW 11PM POST W/O with clothing 154.5lbs

**Dr. Pain** · 11-26-2002, 06:48 AM

Say Hello to 160...OMG....but it will be a nice 160!

Go buy some Creatine?

DP

**Leslie** · 11-26-2002, 06:54 AM

Hello FUQING 160!

Buying today

**Leslie** · 11-27-2002, 12:23 PM

Ok so I have not bought Creatine Yet....

Meal 1
1/2 c oats
1 tbsp cream w/ coffee
2 oz chicken
4 egg whites

Meal 2
Protein shake

Meal 3
6 oz chicken
3/4 c rice
2 tbsp Newman oil
veggies

Meal 4
protein shake

Meal 5
5 oz top round
5 oz SP
veggies

Meal 6
tuna
2 tsp flax
veggies

Water- 6-7 liters
2 diet cokes
2 packets sweetner
1 spoonful of cool whip

GYM was Chest/abs

**Leslie** · 11-27-2002, 12:24 PM

The meat measurements in the W>Bulk.......is that post cooked weight????

**Dr. Pain** · 11-27-2002, 12:47 PM

No....I always post meat raw. w8 prefers her meat measurements cooked. Because of your BW..........and that program being for a woman 125-135.........you may need to extrapolate your portions to "fit" your needs

DP

**Leslie** · 11-27-2002, 12:49 PM

Ah, fuq..I used post weight...so I guess I am ok then.....How do you recommend I conform this to a FAT 150ish

plan??? HELP!
purty please

No wonder I was hungry

**Leslie** · 11-27-2002, 02:11 PM

SNACK ALERT

...I just had a FUQING cookie...I cant help it..I am starving and BORED here at work and there is a HUGE bowl of em.....BUTTER cookies with chocolote kiss in the ctr

I REALLY need to go home...

**CLPgold** · 11-27-2002, 02:46 PM

Oh the temptation. What inconsiderate people are leaving cookies around you?

**Leslie** · 11-27-2002, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by CLPgold
Oh the temptation. What inconsiderate people are leaving cookies around you?

The "skinny-fat" ones I work with!

**Leslie** · 11-27-2002, 02:56 PM

OK twe freakign cookies later I am going home

**Dr. Pain** · 11-27-2002, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by Leslie2196
Ah, fuq..I used post weight...so I guess I am ok then.....How do you recommend I conform this to a FAT 150ish

plan??? HELP!
purty please

No wonder I was hungry

Well it would help if we had 2 weeks worth of consistant Journal posting showing macro totals!?

Where do you think your at?

P =
C =
F = Leslie

Cals

DP

**Leslie** · 11-27-2002, 04:37 PM

Honestly I probably WAS at 2700-3000

Yesterday was my first W.Bulk day and I despise FItday....Logging here is enough.....:whine:

Son't you have the total macros of the bulk somewhere?

I am assuming its prob 300-400cals per meal=2200-2400cals?

**Dr. Pain** · 11-27-2002, 04:51 PM

Leslie...if you were coming off the 1800-1900 calorie transition program we left you....

I would say

240 P 120 C 90 F for starters......2250

40 P 25 C 15 F X 4
40 P 10 C 15 F X 2

and then we adjust from there!

Since you've been higher....you can try something between that and

260 P 140 C 100 F 2500

45 P 30 C 15 F X4
40 P 10 C 20 F X2

DP

**Dr. Pain** · 11-27-2002, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by Leslie2196

Don't you have the total macros of the bulk somewhere?

I am assuming its prob 300-400cals per meal=2200-2400cals?

See?

I think that range with better food choices and "Balls to the Wall" training will do it for YA!

DP

**Dr. Pain** · 11-27-2002, 08:55 PM

11/27/02

Fluids

5-6 L Water

Meal 1:

Meal 2:

Meal 3:

Meal 4:

Meal 5:

Meal 6:

Totals not including Veggies or Fiber
Cals:
Fat:
Carb:
Protein:

**w8lifter** · 11-27-2002, 08:58 PM

geez...you're a nag

**Dr. Pain** · 11-27-2002, 09:02 PM

*control freak*

DP

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