TP's Gettin' Freaky

Twin Peak · 01-29-2003, 02:03 PM

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Originally posted by dvlmn666
Hey ya freak!!

lmao j/k how are things with ya? Looks like your making some sweet gains. You going to take pix mid cycle?

Hey, at least you can still amuse yourself! Where ya been?

Nope, no mid pics, its only a 4 week cycle, I'll be done in less than 2 weeks.

Pulled 485 today, btw. An eyeball popped out, but I found it.

dvlmn666 · 01-29-2003, 02:25 PM

Lucky ya found it otherwise your balance would be jacked on all the other lifts. lol

hey I only got 170lbs more to gain to catch up to ya on the deads.

I'll be around more til I start work the middle of Feb. and then I'll be on nights after that.

I'm going to start logging my workouts again to. I've been keeping them in my paper journal but have just been busy doing remote computer work haven't spent much time on here.

oh yeah by the way, I owe you a thanks for getting me to do deads. they are making a big difference in my back. I've had quite a few friends lately telling me how they can see that it's gotten quite a bit bigger.

I need to work on a new chest routine though. I'm stuck at the 95's on the Incline DB since I don't have a training partner they are a pain in the a$$ to get into position.

Twin Peak · 01-29-2003, 02:36 PM

Nice job.

Assuming you add 170 pounds to your dead, which you can do. I'll prolly add another 170 to mine!

Fade · 01-29-2003, 02:39 PM

Then I'll get back in the gym and do deads too and y'all will be sorry. BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

How you two doing?

Twin Peak · 01-29-2003, 02:42 PM

Good Fade, but you have been a sissy for so long I am sure my deads have surpassed you! Course I outweigh you by a bunch too!

Getting back to lifting heavy anytime soon?

Fade · 01-29-2003, 02:44 PM

I tried to get back into the gym last week but the green-apple splatters stopped that.

I'm going tonight though.

dvlmn666 · 01-29-2003, 02:51 PM

hey fade, good to see your back to hitting the gym.

Well TP I'm gonna keep hitting it hard and see if I can get the weights up that high. I'm planning to, just not sure how long it'll take.

I know I won't be able to keep up the 90lbs/2.5months forever. But in time I'll get it.

So do you feel the EDT helped increase your strength mainly or did it do alot for hypertrophy(sp?) as well.

Twin Peak · 01-29-2003, 02:53 PM

I think I added some nice size in only 4 weeks on EDT. And that was post 1T cycle, so I think its worth giving it a shot.

dvlmn666 · 01-29-2003, 03:15 PM

hmmmm after the next cycle of 1T I'll have to give it a shot.

Congrats on all your gains dude.

Twin Peak · 01-29-2003, 03:18 PM

Thanks. You know I am doing a TP-style EDT for this One+ cycle right?

dvlmn666 · 01-29-2003, 03:26 PM

Yep, I've been reading your journal just havne't been around much to post.

hmmm maybe I should give your version a shot to mix up my training while I do my new cycles as well. I've gottan kinda bored I've stuck with the routine we worked out for the last 2.5 months.

Twin Peak · 01-29-2003, 03:28 PM

If you do, lets discuss it cuz I'd do a few things different, next time.

Twin Peak · 01-30-2003, 10:26 AM

Thursday: I’ll start with yesterday, in which I had a good back and tri w/o. Upped my deadlift to 485 which was nice. Can I get 5 plates (495) next week? I hope so! Ate okay yesterday but had a bunch of fat last night, because I felt I needed it do to the strenuous w/os. It came in form of salmon, flax, canola mayo, and peanut butter (in my shake, yum). Also, I am feeling particularly fat and bloated, especially when not pumped or flexing. But when pumped/flexing, I look friggin huge. Odd.

I also think I am retaining water from the 4AD, or at least I hope so, cuz if not its fat. My waist and neck are thicker (everything is tighter) but I don’t look fatter, which is why I think it is water. I also can’t tell if I have gained any muscle. I think that the 4ad is not that helpful to me, unless it kicks in much later than 1T, which I have read. At this point I am thinking that I would only use 4ad in the future to offset 1T sides, but not as an androgen in and of itself, i.e. lower doses.

Today I am going to eat fairly light again, I think. Also I am noticing a bit of acne, not to bad, so I don’t know if it is coincidence (happens from time to time) or the PHs. I haven’t noticed any other sides. I am still looking forward to cutting!

Oh, and I redid my BF calc and I am at 18.5% which puts me at 41 pounds of fat and 184.5 pounds of LBM. So, for competition purposes, assume I lose 5 pounds of water (which is LBM), I’d have 179 pounds of LBM. Add say 8 pounds of fat (putting me at 4-5%) and I could right now compete at 187. Course that assumes that I don’t gain or lose another pound of muscle. I think that’s a fairly decent assumption since I can still add a pound or to of muscle in the beginning stages of dieting and only expect to lose a pound or 2 at the end. Still, I don’t want to compete until I can come in ripped at 192 or above. So I’ll need to add about another 5 pounds first.

kuso · 01-31-2003, 07:12 AM

Is that dead a single or set? Damned respectable either way though! I have a feeling you`ll hit 500lb by the end of the cycle!

Twin Peak · 01-31-2003, 07:17 AM

Its a single my friend, sorry. Had a nice shoulder w/o today. Maxed on the military press with 285, just failed at 290, then I nailed 225 for 10 reps.

kuso · 01-31-2003, 07:19 AM

Thats a damned good press!

You might want to wear one of those eye masks oldies wear to bed when you pull 500lb.....keep them balls in place

Twin Peak · 01-31-2003, 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kuso
Thats a damned good press!

You might want to wear one of those eye masks oldies wear to bed when you pull 500lb.....keep them balls in place

Good idea, thanks. I actually doubt I'll get it. I only increased 10 pounds this week and even if I keep that progress up (unlikely) I'll be at 495, which is 5 plates, which is still pretty sweet.

A powerlifter told me that I should be able to pull 600 with my strength, if I actually knew what I was doing! LMAO!

Robboe · 01-31-2003, 09:09 AM

only 285lbs?

bah!

Twin Peak · 01-31-2003, 09:34 AM

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Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
only 285lbs?

bah!

Yeah, but I almost got 290.

And that was after 7 sets of lateral raises with 50 pound dumbells and 7 sets of bent over laterals with 40 pounders.

So I am thinking fresh I could nail 300+

Would it surprise you if I said that my chest, shoulders and traps looked friggin huge today, when pumped?

Robboe · 01-31-2003, 10:18 AM

Can't say that it would.

Twin Peak · 01-31-2003, 11:28 AM

FRIDAY: 228 this morning. I am either getting fatter, getting more muscular, or holding more water. I hope its not the first, and would love if it’s the second, but likely it’s the third. Well, another shoulder workout today and more PBs. After my heavy lateral raises I presses 285, a PB (previous was 275 the week before), and almost got 290. Then I did 225 for 10 reps, also a PB. Also hit some heavy shrugs and some light calves. Twas a tough w/o and I am aching nicely.

Also, interestingly I got a nice bicep pump from doing upright rows. Odd. Acne is gone, so it wasn’t related to the PHs.

I realized this morning that I am prolly eating more then I set out to on w/o days. I stopped keeping track but just of the top of my head hear is what I am typically eating (only gonna count the major macros of each food):

7 scoops of whey = 154p
simple carbs = 100g
3 cups of cottage cheese = 96p
1 cup oatmeal = 54 c
1 cup fiber 1 = 50c
8 oz steak = 50p, 40f
10 oz chicken or fish = 50p, 20f
wwpita/cous cous/brown rice = 50c
flax, 2 tbsp = 28
MRP = 60p

So that is roughly:
Protein = 410
Carbs = 254
Fat = 70

That’s about 3300, which is my goal. But that doesn’t count the carbs and fat from cottage, cheese, the carbs and protein from the whey, protein and fat from the oatmeal, etc…..or the occasional scoop or two or peanut butter!

Oh well, I am not going to worry about it, just wanted to be aware that I am likely taking in 3500-4000 cals on lifting days. Have a good weekend.

dvlmn666 · 01-31-2003, 12:08 PM

Awesome numbers dude.

I emailed ya. It's probably the 4AD making you take in water, but I bet after that chest and shoulder routine you were pumped and looked huge.

If your bi's were getting a pump from the upright rows check your hand spacing, I noticed if my hands are to narrow that happens to me because ya have to squeeze them hard at the top of the rep because of the angles.

Twin Peak · 01-31-2003, 12:16 PM

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Originally posted by dvlmn666
Awesome numbers dude.

I emailed ya. It's probably the 4AD making you take in water, but I bet after that chest and shoulder routine you were pumped and looked huge.

If your bi's were getting a pump from the upright rows check your hand spacing, I noticed if my hands are to narrow that happens to me because ya have to squeeze them hard at the top of the rep because of the angles.

It might be the 4ad, but odd that the water retention kicked in so late, no?

Re the bi pump, that's not the issue, I don't think. I keep my hands about 8 inches apart. Plus, I never noticed this (at this intensity) before. Rather I think it is a result of the PHs. I have noticed that when I do my bis on Monday on this cycle they either stay pumped all week or are easily pumped. Its odd, I know. Not a bad thing, I don't think.

dvlmn666 · 01-31-2003, 12:21 PM

Yeah kinda odd, but that happened to me to last time I was taking the stuff.

Sweet about the Bi's staying pumped. That's always awesome if you can keep it going all week. Great ego booster to walk around that way.

Well last 1-T cycle had christmas and stuff so I had to many distractions. This one there is no distrations, I'll be working and be able to hit it hard. And I'm going to do your modified EDT as well.

Twin Peak · 01-31-2003, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dvlmn666
Yeah kinda odd, but that happened to me to last time I was taking the stuff.

Sweet about the Bi's staying pumped. That's always awesome if you can keep it going all week. Great ego booster to walk around that way.

Well last 1-T cycle had christmas and stuff so I had to many distractions. This one there is no distrations, I'll be working and be able to hit it hard. And I'm going to do your modified EDT as well.

It took you 2 1/2 weeks to retain water too? Hmm.

Just 1T or are you stacking? At what doses? Shot you back an email re EDT, as well.

dvlmn666 · 01-31-2003, 07:36 PM

I'm going to stack 1-T and 4AD again, but this time go with the topical 4AD.

After reading your feelings on the 4AD I'm going to go with a 50/50 split, with about 125/application twice a day. And if any sides show up I'll up the 4AD.

dvlmn666 · 01-31-2003, 07:37 PM

oh yeah, got your email and sent ya back a plan and will hopefully start on monday so I can figure out my weights to start with on the 1-T cycle.

01-29-2003, 02:25 PM	#122
dvlmn666 Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Fremont, CA Posts: 3,233	Lucky ya found it otherwise your balance would be jacked on all the other lifts. lol hey I only got 170lbs more to gain to catch up to ya on the deads. I'll be around more til I start work the middle of Feb. and then I'll be on nights after that. I'm going to start logging my workouts again to. I've been keeping them in my paper journal but have just been busy doing remote computer work haven't spent much time on here. oh yeah by the way, I owe you a thanks for getting me to do deads. they are making a big difference in my back. I've had quite a few friends lately telling me how they can see that it's gotten quite a bit bigger. I need to work on a new chest routine though. I'm stuck at the 95's on the Incline DB since I don't have a training partner they are a pain in the a$$ to get into position.
	"When I use the word intensity I mean the ability to continue past and through the pain barrier where your mind pleads to stop and in fact convinces your body that you have hit failure, but you push through. How far you push through that barrier is the level of intensity with which you train." -- Twin Peak

01-29-2003, 02:36 PM	#123
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	Nice job. Assuming you add 170 pounds to your dead, which you can do. I'll prolly add another 170 to mine!
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01-29-2003, 02:42 PM	#125
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	Good Fade, but you have been a sissy for so long I am sure my deads have surpassed you! Course I outweigh you by a bunch too! Getting back to lifting heavy anytime soon?
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01-29-2003, 02:51 PM	#127
dvlmn666 Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Fremont, CA Posts: 3,233	hey fade, good to see your back to hitting the gym. Well TP I'm gonna keep hitting it hard and see if I can get the weights up that high. I'm planning to, just not sure how long it'll take. I know I won't be able to keep up the 90lbs/2.5months forever. But in time I'll get it. So do you feel the EDT helped increase your strength mainly or did it do alot for hypertrophy(sp?) as well.
	"When I use the word intensity I mean the ability to continue past and through the pain barrier where your mind pleads to stop and in fact convinces your body that you have hit failure, but you push through. How far you push through that barrier is the level of intensity with which you train." -- Twin Peak

01-29-2003, 02:53 PM	#128
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	I think I added some nice size in only 4 weeks on EDT. And that was post 1T cycle, so I think its worth giving it a shot.
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01-29-2003, 02:39 PM	#124
Fade I'm the daddy Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 3,007 Photos: 5	Then I'll get back in the gym and do deads too and y'all will be sorry. BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA How you two doing?

01-29-2003, 02:44 PM	#126
Fade I'm the daddy Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 3,007 Photos: 5	I tried to get back into the gym last week but the green-apple splatters stopped that. I'm going tonight though.

01-29-2003, 03:15 PM	#129
dvlmn666 Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Fremont, CA Posts: 3,233	hmmmm after the next cycle of 1T I'll have to give it a shot. Congrats on all your gains dude.
	"When I use the word intensity I mean the ability to continue past and through the pain barrier where your mind pleads to stop and in fact convinces your body that you have hit failure, but you push through. How far you push through that barrier is the level of intensity with which you train." -- Twin Peak

01-29-2003, 03:18 PM	#130
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	Thanks. You know I am doing a TP-style EDT for this One+ cycle right?
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01-29-2003, 03:26 PM	#131
dvlmn666 Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Fremont, CA Posts: 3,233	Yep, I've been reading your journal just havne't been around much to post. hmmm maybe I should give your version a shot to mix up my training while I do my new cycles as well. I've gottan kinda bored I've stuck with the routine we worked out for the last 2.5 months.
	"When I use the word intensity I mean the ability to continue past and through the pain barrier where your mind pleads to stop and in fact convinces your body that you have hit failure, but you push through. How far you push through that barrier is the level of intensity with which you train." -- Twin Peak

01-29-2003, 03:28 PM	#132
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	If you do, lets discuss it cuz I'd do a few things different, next time.
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01-30-2003, 10:26 AM	#133
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	Thursday: I’ll start with yesterday, in which I had a good back and tri w/o. Upped my deadlift to 485 which was nice. Can I get 5 plates (495) next week? I hope so! Ate okay yesterday but had a bunch of fat last night, because I felt I needed it do to the strenuous w/os. It came in form of salmon, flax, canola mayo, and peanut butter (in my shake, yum). Also, I am feeling particularly fat and bloated, especially when not pumped or flexing. But when pumped/flexing, I look friggin huge. Odd. I also think I am retaining water from the 4AD, or at least I hope so, cuz if not its fat. My waist and neck are thicker (everything is tighter) but I don’t look fatter, which is why I think it is water. I also can’t tell if I have gained any muscle. I think that the 4ad is not that helpful to me, unless it kicks in much later than 1T, which I have read. At this point I am thinking that I would only use 4ad in the future to offset 1T sides, but not as an androgen in and of itself, i.e. lower doses. Today I am going to eat fairly light again, I think. Also I am noticing a bit of acne, not to bad, so I don’t know if it is coincidence (happens from time to time) or the PHs. I haven’t noticed any other sides. I am still looking forward to cutting! Oh, and I redid my BF calc and I am at 18.5% which puts me at 41 pounds of fat and 184.5 pounds of LBM. So, for competition purposes, assume I lose 5 pounds of water (which is LBM), I’d have 179 pounds of LBM. Add say 8 pounds of fat (putting me at 4-5%) and I could right now compete at 187. Course that assumes that I don’t gain or lose another pound of muscle. I think that’s a fairly decent assumption since I can still add a pound or to of muscle in the beginning stages of dieting and only expect to lose a pound or 2 at the end. Still, I don’t want to compete until I can come in ripped at 192 or above. So I’ll need to add about another 5 pounds first.
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01-31-2003, 07:12 AM	#134
kuso Um......get rooted! Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: aka ( o Y o ) Posts: 15,033 Photos: 15	Is that dead a single or set? Damned respectable either way though! I have a feeling you`ll hit 500lb by the end of the cycle!

01-31-2003, 07:17 AM	#135
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	Its a single my friend, sorry. Had a nice shoulder w/o today. Maxed on the military press with 285, just failed at 290, then I nailed 225 for 10 reps.
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01-31-2003, 07:19 AM	#136
kuso Um......get rooted! Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: aka ( o Y o ) Posts: 15,033 Photos: 15	Thats a damned good press! You might want to wear one of those eye masks oldies wear to bed when you pull 500lb.....keep them balls in place

01-31-2003, 09:09 AM	#138
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,151	only 285lbs? bah!
	Being held down by The Man

01-31-2003, 10:18 AM	#140
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,151	Can't say that it would.
	Being held down by The Man

01-31-2003, 11:28 AM	#141
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	FRIDAY: 228 this morning. I am either getting fatter, getting more muscular, or holding more water. I hope its not the first, and would love if it’s the second, but likely it’s the third. Well, another shoulder workout today and more PBs. After my heavy lateral raises I presses 285, a PB (previous was 275 the week before), and almost got 290. Then I did 225 for 10 reps, also a PB. Also hit some heavy shrugs and some light calves. Twas a tough w/o and I am aching nicely. Also, interestingly I got a nice bicep pump from doing upright rows. Odd. Acne is gone, so it wasn’t related to the PHs. I realized this morning that I am prolly eating more then I set out to on w/o days. I stopped keeping track but just of the top of my head hear is what I am typically eating (only gonna count the major macros of each food): 7 scoops of whey = 154p simple carbs = 100g 3 cups of cottage cheese = 96p 1 cup oatmeal = 54 c 1 cup fiber 1 = 50c 8 oz steak = 50p, 40f 10 oz chicken or fish = 50p, 20f wwpita/cous cous/brown rice = 50c flax, 2 tbsp = 28 MRP = 60p So that is roughly: Protein = 410 Carbs = 254 Fat = 70 That’s about 3300, which is my goal. But that doesn’t count the carbs and fat from cottage, cheese, the carbs and protein from the whey, protein and fat from the oatmeal, etc…..or the occasional scoop or two or peanut butter! Oh well, I am not going to worry about it, just wanted to be aware that I am likely taking in 3500-4000 cals on lifting days. Have a good weekend.
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01-31-2003, 12:08 PM	#142
dvlmn666 Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Fremont, CA Posts: 3,233	Awesome numbers dude. I emailed ya. It's probably the 4AD making you take in water, but I bet after that chest and shoulder routine you were pumped and looked huge. If your bi's were getting a pump from the upright rows check your hand spacing, I noticed if my hands are to narrow that happens to me because ya have to squeeze them hard at the top of the rep because of the angles.
	"When I use the word intensity I mean the ability to continue past and through the pain barrier where your mind pleads to stop and in fact convinces your body that you have hit failure, but you push through. How far you push through that barrier is the level of intensity with which you train." -- Twin Peak

01-31-2003, 12:21 PM	#144
dvlmn666 Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Fremont, CA Posts: 3,233	Yeah kinda odd, but that happened to me to last time I was taking the stuff. Sweet about the Bi's staying pumped. That's always awesome if you can keep it going all week. Great ego booster to walk around that way. Well last 1-T cycle had christmas and stuff so I had to many distractions. This one there is no distrations, I'll be working and be able to hit it hard. And I'm going to do your modified EDT as well.
	"When I use the word intensity I mean the ability to continue past and through the pain barrier where your mind pleads to stop and in fact convinces your body that you have hit failure, but you push through. How far you push through that barrier is the level of intensity with which you train." -- Twin Peak

01-31-2003, 07:36 PM	#146
dvlmn666 Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Fremont, CA Posts: 3,233	I'm going to stack 1-T and 4AD again, but this time go with the topical 4AD. After reading your feelings on the 4AD I'm going to go with a 50/50 split, with about 125/application twice a day. And if any sides show up I'll up the 4AD.
	"When I use the word intensity I mean the ability to continue past and through the pain barrier where your mind pleads to stop and in fact convinces your body that you have hit failure, but you push through. How far you push through that barrier is the level of intensity with which you train." -- Twin Peak

01-31-2003, 07:37 PM	#147
dvlmn666 Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Fremont, CA Posts: 3,233	oh yeah, got your email and sent ya back a plan and will hopefully start on monday so I can figure out my weights to start with on the 1-T cycle.
	"When I use the word intensity I mean the ability to continue past and through the pain barrier where your mind pleads to stop and in fact convinces your body that you have hit failure, but you push through. How far you push through that barrier is the