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w8lifter · 03-16-2003, 07:41 AM

Physiol Behav 1990 Mar;47(3):555-9 Links

Oral stimulation with aspartame increases hunger.

Tordoff MG, Alleva AM.

Monell Chemical Senses Center, Philadelphia, PA 19104.

We evaluated whether "sweetness" increases hunger. Groups of 10 male and 10 female subjects chewed a gum base containing one of four concentrations of aspartame (0.05%, 0.3%, 0.5%, or 1.0%) for 15 min. Relative to groups given nothing or unsweetened gum base to chew, groups given the sweetened gum bases increased hunger ratings, but not in a manner monotonically related to aspartame concentration. The most effective aspartame concentration to increase hunger was 0.3% for females and 0.5% for males. The highest aspartame concentrations had a time-dependent, biphasic effect on appetite, producing a transient decrease followed by a sustained increase in hunger ratings. Thus, the concentration of the sweetener, the sex of the subject and the time after chewing, were all important determinants of whether "sweetness" increased hunger.

PMID: 2359769 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Dr. Pain · 03-16-2003, 08:53 AM

Wow Leah..very impressive. A tiny bit of conflicting info...makes me wonder who paid for it!

I think we have been avoiding the "Sweetners" in protein powder for too long......I only have an example of one......but I watched WL go from 3-4 shakes out of 7-8 meals. he eats every 2 hours like a machine) ...to more whole food..and maybe 1 shake...PWO...and sometimes one more if rushed....and I think he's gotten some impressive results!

FOOD RULES!

What I got from those studies....is that 1) More than just aspertame..may be the culprit...I wish they had addressed insulin levels (lowering serum glucose, possibly thru lipogenesis), which in turn created more hunger

2) Some of these sports drinks I sell....very artificially sweet...that some drink before or during their W/O....may not be the "All That" and be hurting their progress Face it, Everyone want to be leaner...and most bigger and leaner....lol

DP

w8lifter · 03-16-2003, 08:56 AM

Ok...so...just to sum all that shiat up

.....after reading sick amts of studies this morning (more than just posted here) it seems that aspartame and acesulfame-K increases perceived hunger but doesn't necessarily lead to increased energy intake (perhaps because of reduced-calorie food choices? i.e. more aspartame-sweetened foods as opposed to sugar-sweetened foods. However, saccarine (sp?) definitely leads to increased subsequent energy intakes.

Dr. Pain · 03-16-2003, 09:01 AM

There are Aspartame links obesity studies btw...Yeah I read a lot yesterday....again they are avoiding insulin as a topic!

The gum studies too.....it increases calories expenditure, it improves memory (via circulation to the brain)..etc...and then the brush offf the insulin producing effect as a "good thing" on brain cells, but neglect the possibility of storing serum glucose as FAT!

They are missing the point....I know it, you know, it will be proven one day soon....else it has and been swept under the table by the processed food and candy biz...and we just have to find it!

DP

Dr. Pain · 03-16-2003, 09:03 AM

BTW...I didn't post it, but music at 60 bpm (like a relaxed heartrate) improves studying and memory ablity!

DP

Erilaya · 04-02-2003, 06:43 AM

Holy Crap I just missed a meeting with a new client cos I got absorbed reading all this! Damn! oops.. umm I beter call and reschedule..

great reading..

thanks guys for sharing your vast knowledge and unending patience.

Eri'

Dr. Pain · 05-30-2003, 08:28 AM

Big Freaking Bump!

DP

03-16-2003, 07:41 AM	#91
w8lifter Join Date: May 2001 Location: Around..... Posts: 14,964	Physiol Behav 1990 Mar;47(3):555-9 Links Oral stimulation with aspartame increases hunger. Tordoff MG, Alleva AM. Monell Chemical Senses Center, Philadelphia, PA 19104. We evaluated whether "sweetness" increases hunger. Groups of 10 male and 10 female subjects chewed a gum base containing one of four concentrations of aspartame (0.05%, 0.3%, 0.5%, or 1.0%) for 15 min. Relative to groups given nothing or unsweetened gum base to chew, groups given the sweetened gum bases increased hunger ratings, but not in a manner monotonically related to aspartame concentration. The most effective aspartame concentration to increase hunger was 0.3% for females and 0.5% for males. The highest aspartame concentrations had a time-dependent, biphasic effect on appetite, producing a transient decrease followed by a sustained increase in hunger ratings. Thus, the concentration of the sweetener, the sex of the subject and the time after chewing, were all important determinants of whether "sweetness" increased hunger. PMID: 2359769 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Last edited by w8lifter : 03-16-2003 at 08:52 AM.

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03-16-2003, 08:53 AM	#92
Dr. Pain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Get the Duct Tape...I'm Ripped Again! Posts: 11,239	Wow Leah..very impressive. A tiny bit of conflicting info...makes me wonder who paid for it! I think we have been avoiding the "Sweetners" in protein powder for too long......I only have an example of one......but I watched WL go from 3-4 shakes out of 7-8 meals. he eats every 2 hours like a machine) ...to more whole food..and maybe 1 shake...PWO...and sometimes one more if rushed....and I think he's gotten some impressive results! FOOD RULES! What I got from those studies....is that 1) More than just aspertame..may be the culprit...I wish they had addressed insulin levels (lowering serum glucose, possibly thru lipogenesis), which in turn created more hunger 2) Some of these sports drinks I sell....very artificially sweet...that some drink before or during their W/O....may not be the "All That" and be hurting their progress Face it, Everyone want to be leaner...and most bigger and leaner....lol DP

03-16-2003, 08:56 AM	#93
w8lifter Join Date: May 2001 Location: Around..... Posts: 14,964	Ok...so...just to sum all that shiat up .....after reading sick amts of studies this morning (more than just posted here) it seems that aspartame and acesulfame-K increases perceived hunger but doesn't necessarily lead to increased energy intake (perhaps because of reduced-calorie food choices? i.e. more aspartame-sweetened foods as opposed to sugar-sweetened foods. However, saccarine (sp?) definitely leads to increased subsequent energy intakes.

03-16-2003, 09:01 AM	#94
Dr. Pain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Get the Duct Tape...I'm Ripped Again! Posts: 11,239	There are Aspartame links obesity studies btw...Yeah I read a lot yesterday....again they are avoiding insulin as a topic! The gum studies too.....it increases calories expenditure, it improves memory (via circulation to the brain)..etc...and then the brush offf the insulin producing effect as a "good thing" on brain cells, but neglect the possibility of storing serum glucose as FAT! They are missing the point....I know it, you know, it will be proven one day soon....else it has and been swept under the table by the processed food and candy biz...and we just have to find it! DP

03-16-2003, 09:03 AM	#95
Dr. Pain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Get the Duct Tape...I'm Ripped Again! Posts: 11,239	BTW...I didn't post it, but music at 60 bpm (like a relaxed heartrate) improves studying and memory ablity! DP

04-02-2003, 06:43 AM	#96
Erilaya Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: my own lil world Posts: 867	Holy Crap I just missed a meeting with a new client cos I got absorbed reading all this! Damn! oops.. umm I beter call and reschedule.. great reading.. thanks guys for sharing your vast knowledge and unending patience. Eri'

05-30-2003, 08:28 AM	#97
Dr. Pain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Get the Duct Tape...I'm Ripped Again! Posts: 11,239	Big Freaking Bump! DP