CSH: Ladies.......I'm opening a can of WORMS

Dr. Pain · 02-19-2003, 07:06 AM

We are mainly gonna address the Ladies in this thread, (even thought some of the issues apply to the men)

And WE are ALL gonna contribute to the research

We all know how cheats and inconsistency can RUIN a cut, but there are several "little" issues to revisit. Some of the answers are in the archives here......some need better explanations.

WHY DO CUTS FAIL/STALL?

Let the posting begin

Major:

1) HRT
2) Birth Control (form of HRT)
3) Meds...Thyroid, SSRI's, etc
4) Estrogen Dominance
5) ???

Less MAJOR, but more than Minor:

A) Caffeine
B) SWEETNERS
C) GUM
D) Dairy
E) ???

Related....

I) ADRENAL BURNOUT
II) Wilson's Syndrome
III) Other Thyroid problems
IV) Reverse T3
V) ????

GO!

So we can ALL have a better understanding!

DP

Dr. Pain · 02-20-2003, 06:13 AM

A little help here....unless you all like being "stuck"...just don't be posting "I don't know why I'm stuck?"

Reverse T3 and Wilson's

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...hlight=reverse (Are you iodine Deficient???)

DP

tigress · 02-20-2003, 06:20 AM

I read that thread 3 or 4 times yesterday. I feel like I am having a mini breakdown over this whole thing. It's like, wtf is the point of it all if nothing is happening? I thought my skinfolds showed improvements til i entered them into the spreadsheet and my percentage barely moved.

Dr. Pain · 02-20-2003, 06:29 AM

Nat, relax...the point is that you have the rest of your life to fix things......nothing has been lost, it's all about learning your body

We had to go this route w/Danielle, and it proved successful....with 2 or 3 or you guys being "stuck", we are merely exploring thess issues...it doesn't mean they apply...DO NOT FREAK!

DP

w8lifter · 02-20-2003, 06:29 AM

Gum AND Caffeine (Confession..................)

w8lifter · 02-20-2003, 06:38 AM

Fructose (sweetners) (Fructose)

Sugar

Britney · 02-20-2003, 06:39 AM

Shit I had seen that thread before

I am shamefully chewing.....But I have weeks before my comp, so we can use it as a tweak later right? Please?

Is this why my tummy is a fuqqing barrel w/o carbs?

w8lifter · 02-20-2003, 06:42 AM

No comment. *snaps gum*

Dr. Pain · 02-20-2003, 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Britney
Shit I had seen that thread before

I am shamefully chewing.....But I have weeks before my comp, so we can use it as a tweak later right? Please?

Is this why my tummy is a fuqqing barrel w/o carbs?

Would that be an :empty barrel?"

Brickass......Tweak This: Go look in the mirror, turn circles really fast so you can see your ASS........then spit out your gum, that tweak is NOW!

DP

Dr. Pain · 02-20-2003, 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by w8lifter
No comment. *snaps gum*

You TOO!

DP

Dr. Pain · 02-20-2003, 06:46 AM

Somebody go find BF and Estrogen Dominance...k?

DP

Britney · 02-20-2003, 06:47 AM

I like my ass?

OKAY YOU WIN

*spits gum at D......garbage*

Dr. Pain · 02-20-2003, 06:53 AM

Start an Asslovers thread then.

......Thanks...coffee is next....lol

DP

tigress · 02-20-2003, 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dr. Pain
Nat, relax...the point is that you have the rest of your life to fix things......nothing has been lost, it's all about learning your body

We had to go this route w/Danielle, and it proved successful....with 2 or 3 or you guys being "stuck", we are merely exploring thess issues...it doesn't mean they apply...DO NOT FREAK!

DP

I am not an emotional person by nature, and I AM freaking! I did know my body, and i know that I would have had a huge difference by now if it was a few years ago. WTF did I do to it? What should I do now? Do you think the cytomel will help?

tigress · 02-20-2003, 06:57 AM

Sorry, I saw your post on my journal after I made the above post. Thanks for trying to calm me down.

Britney · 02-20-2003, 07:02 AM

DP, just to clarify, coffee is NEXT not NOW right?

Tigress,
Listen to W8 and DP. Trust me its normal to freak. *been there done that* Right now you are not going to be able to look at yourself from a normal perspective or see all your changes. But BELIEVE me if you are being true to your plan the changes ARE there. It just seems while we are IN the situation, we can only see what is in our heads. Do not give up now! It will be worth it in the long run. Today I can look at past progress pics I thought I looked fat. Ect in and clearly see every chg week to week. Though at that time, I couldn’t. Your head can mess with you big time. That is why its important to have a supporter during this time-like W8 or DP can be – to help keep you in line!

w8lifter · 02-20-2003, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Britney
Today I can look at past progress pics I thought I looked fat. Ect in and clearly see every chg week to week. Though at that time, I couldn’t.

Me too....I look back at my pics just before my last contest...where I was gonna pull out due to the size of my ass and I'm thinking "What fucking ass????" Yet I was freaking about it. What an ASS I was

tigress · 02-20-2003, 07:26 AM

Thanks Britney. Hopefully there are some internal changes going on. There doesn't seem to be any changes in measurements.

Dr. Pain · 02-20-2003, 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tigress
I am not an emotional person by nature, and I AM freaking! I did know my body, and i know that I would have had a huge difference by now if it was a few years ago. WTF did I do to it? What should I do now? Do you think the cytomel will help?

Nice Gritney...err Britney

Nat.......again, relax.......somewhere we have a thread that suggests "hormonal shifts" ...some starting as early as 10-15 years before menopause are the culprit...the body is very complex

We are just exploring here, KNOWLEDGE is POWER!

DP

Dr. Pain · 02-20-2003, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dr. Pain
Somebody go find BF and Estrogen Dominance...k?

DP

Please

w8lifter · 02-20-2003, 08:07 AM

Estrogen Dominance

More

more

I don't know if these are good or not...I don't know what I'm looking for? Sounds interesting though?

Dr. Pain · 02-20-2003, 10:03 AM

Thanks Leah, notice the re-occurrig theme or "Increased BF?"...when we search, please make sure lipogenesis, or Body fat is used in the Key words.

Interesting supps re: this topic Soy, Birth Control-negative, DIIM, Progesterone, Pregnenolone, DHEA-possibly positve (if someone neds direction)...of course "Hormonal Balancing" is in order.

K....who is on "Adrenal Burnout Syndrome?"...

HRT?

DP

tigress · 02-20-2003, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dr. Pain
K....who is on "Adrenal Burnout Syndrome?"...

DP

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...rnout+Syndrome (Adrenal Burnout Syndrome!)

http://www.ironmagazine.com/archive/Supplements_II.htm

I did a google search also, but most of the stuff I found were advertisments for supplements to "help" with adrenal burnout, so i didn't include the links here.

Dr. Pain · 02-20-2003, 09:38 PM

HRT anyone?

Thanks BTW

DP

Dr. Pain · 02-24-2003, 06:21 AM

K....sit down when reading this!

I've been thinking "Oh NO!"

These "major stalls" started occurring when we threw Cardio into the mix....almost all here have "backrounds" of excessive cardio....there is the possibilty....the body remembers......and "shuts down" in response to such stimulation! :uglyisn'tit?:

THE COMMON DENOMINATOR HERE, NOT THYROID, NOT B/C, NOT HRT.....

....Just think about it? I for one, get fatter everytime I try cardio!

Try a week off.....drop your cals by 100-150 a day....and see what happens???

Just an Idea

DP

w8lifter · 02-24-2003, 06:27 AM

I know I complained....but I'm gonna...cause I am so very tired of being soft

Dr. Pain · 02-24-2003, 06:44 AM

DP

Dr. Pain · 02-24-2003, 06:50 AM

...and if someone had time.......a search for Cardio and it's effects on Estrogen (and other hormonal, esp serum cortisol) levels?

DP

w8lifter · 02-24-2003, 04:08 PM

Searching...but found this...thought it was interesting:

Exercise effects dependent on time of day

02-19-2003, 07:06 AM	#1
Dr. Pain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Get the Duct Tape...I'm Ripped Again! Posts: 11,239	CSH: Ladies.......I'm opening a can of WORMS We are mainly gonna address the Ladies in this thread, (even thought some of the issues apply to the men) And WE are ALL gonna contribute to the research We all know how cheats and inconsistency can RUIN a cut, but there are several "little" issues to revisit. Some of the answers are in the archives here......some need better explanations. WHY DO CUTS FAIL/STALL? Let the posting begin Major: 1) HRT 2) Birth Control (form of HRT) 3) Meds...Thyroid, SSRI's, etc 4) Estrogen Dominance 5) ??? Less MAJOR, but more than Minor: A) Caffeine B) SWEETNERS C) GUM D) Dairy E) ??? Related.... I) ADRENAL BURNOUT II) Wilson's Syndrome III) Other Thyroid problems IV) Reverse T3 V) ???? GO! So we can ALL have a better understanding! DP

02-20-2003, 06:13 AM	#2
Dr. Pain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Get the Duct Tape...I'm Ripped Again! Posts: 11,239	A little help here....unless you all like being "stuck"...just don't be posting "I don't know why I'm stuck?" Reverse T3 and Wilson's http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...hlight=reverse (Are you iodine Deficient???) DP

02-20-2003, 06:20 AM	#3
tigress Member Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Jamaica bound! Posts: 364	I read that thread 3 or 4 times yesterday. I feel like I am having a mini breakdown over this whole thing. It's like, wtf is the point of it all if nothing is happening? I thought my skinfolds showed improvements til i entered them into the spreadsheet and my percentage barely moved.

02-20-2003, 06:29 AM	#4
Dr. Pain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Get the Duct Tape...I'm Ripped Again! Posts: 11,239	Nat, relax...the point is that you have the rest of your life to fix things......nothing has been lost, it's all about learning your body We had to go this route w/Danielle, and it proved successful....with 2 or 3 or you guys being "stuck", we are merely exploring thess issues...it doesn't mean they apply...DO NOT FREAK! DP

02-20-2003, 06:29 AM	#5
w8lifter Join Date: May 2001 Location: Around..... Posts: 14,964	Gum AND Caffeine (Confession..................)

02-20-2003, 06:38 AM	#6
w8lifter Join Date: May 2001 Location: Around..... Posts: 14,964	Fructose (sweetners) (Fructose) Sugar

02-20-2003, 06:39 AM	#7
Britney Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 647	Shit I had seen that thread before I am shamefully chewing.....But I have weeks before my comp, so we can use it as a tweak later right? Please? Is this why my tummy is a fuqqing barrel w/o carbs?
	Britney

02-20-2003, 06:42 AM	#8
w8lifter Join Date: May 2001 Location: Around..... Posts: 14,964	No comment. snaps gum

02-20-2003, 06:46 AM	#11
Dr. Pain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Get the Duct Tape...I'm Ripped Again! Posts: 11,239	Somebody go find BF and Estrogen Dominance...k? DP

02-20-2003, 06:47 AM	#12
Britney Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 647	I like my ass? OKAY YOU WIN spits gum at D......garbage
	Britney

02-20-2003, 06:53 AM	#13
Dr. Pain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Get the Duct Tape...I'm Ripped Again! Posts: 11,239	Start an Asslovers thread then. ......Thanks...coffee is next....lol DP

02-20-2003, 06:57 AM	#15
tigress Member Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Jamaica bound! Posts: 364	Sorry, I saw your post on my journal after I made the above post. Thanks for trying to calm me down.

02-20-2003, 07:02 AM	#16
Britney Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 647	DP, just to clarify, coffee is NEXT not NOW right? Tigress, Listen to W8 and DP. Trust me its normal to freak. been there done that Right now you are not going to be able to look at yourself from a normal perspective or see all your changes. But BELIEVE me if you are being true to your plan the changes ARE there. It just seems while we are IN the situation, we can only see what is in our heads. Do not give up now! It will be worth it in the long run. Today I can look at past progress pics I thought I looked fat. Ect in and clearly see every chg week to week. Though at that time, I couldn’t. Your head can mess with you big time. That is why its important to have a supporter during this time-like W8 or DP can be – to help keep you in line!
	Britney

02-20-2003, 07:26 AM	#18
tigress Member Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Jamaica bound! Posts: 364	Thanks Britney. Hopefully there are some internal changes going on. There doesn't seem to be any changes in measurements.

02-20-2003, 08:07 AM	#21
w8lifter Join Date: May 2001 Location: Around..... Posts: 14,964	Estrogen Dominance More more I don't know if these are good or not...I don't know what I'm looking for? Sounds interesting though?

02-20-2003, 10:03 AM	#22
Dr. Pain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Get the Duct Tape...I'm Ripped Again! Posts: 11,239	Thanks Leah, notice the re-occurrig theme or "Increased BF?"...when we search, please make sure lipogenesis, or Body fat is used in the Key words. Interesting supps re: this topic Soy, Birth Control-negative, DIIM, Progesterone, Pregnenolone, DHEA-possibly positve (if someone neds direction)...of course "Hormonal Balancing" is in order. K....who is on "Adrenal Burnout Syndrome?"... HRT? DP

02-20-2003, 09:38 PM	#24
Dr. Pain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Get the Duct Tape...I'm Ripped Again! Posts: 11,239	HRT anyone? Thanks BTW DP

02-24-2003, 06:21 AM	#25
Dr. Pain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Get the Duct Tape...I'm Ripped Again! Posts: 11,239	K....sit down when reading this! I've been thinking "Oh NO!" These "major stalls" started occurring when we threw Cardio into the mix....almost all here have "backrounds" of excessive cardio....there is the possibilty....the body remembers......and "shuts down" in response to such stimulation! :uglyisn'tit?: THE COMMON DENOMINATOR HERE, NOT THYROID, NOT B/C, NOT HRT..... ....Just think about it? I for one, get fatter everytime I try cardio! Try a week off.....drop your cals by 100-150 a day....and see what happens??? Just an Idea DP

02-24-2003, 06:27 AM	#26
w8lifter Join Date: May 2001 Location: Around..... Posts: 14,964	I know I complained....but I'm gonna...cause I am so very tired of being soft

02-24-2003, 06:44 AM	#27
Dr. Pain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Get the Duct Tape...I'm Ripped Again! Posts: 11,239	DP

02-24-2003, 06:50 AM	#28
Dr. Pain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Get the Duct Tape...I'm Ripped Again! Posts: 11,239	...and if someone had time.......a search for Cardio and it's effects on Estrogen (and other hormonal, esp serum cortisol) levels? DP

02-24-2003, 04:08 PM	#29
w8lifter Join Date: May 2001 Location: Around..... Posts: 14,964	Searching...but found this...thought it was interesting: Exercise effects dependent on time of day