Bring on the Funk

**P-funk** · 04-13-2003, 04:13 PM

c'mon people.......no ideas on protein cycling or my ideas for next week????? anyone??????

Pepper · 04-13-2003, 04:16 PM

OK...I am a bit surprised that 1 gram of protein per lbs of bodyweight is half of what you normally do. Wondering if I should not up mine...but I do have a question...

what's with the jelly beans? Is that just a way to jack up your calories?

**P-funk** · 04-13-2003, 06:15 PM

What I normally do is 1.5-2g per lb of bw. I was thinking of dropping it down to 1g per lb of bw for a couple of days to cycle my protein.

jelly beans, lol, well. Yeah, basically I needed to bump my cals up. But there is more behind it, even though it just looks like some sort of sloppy type of cheat becuase seriously the other foods I have eaten today aren't that bad (especially since I am bulking). Okay so why jelly beans:

a) easy way to get calories in
b)lots of carbs/sugar which is going to help me out strength and enrgy wise when I carb deplete for the next three days.
c) I needed to bump up my leptin levels. I am eating around 2400-2500 cals and I am still hungry in between meals. By bf% is still low and my leptin level needs to be raised so I purposley at all that sugar with the intention of spilling over into adipose tissue........I can't finish the bag though, I am really full and getting sick of them fast. I am pretty disappointed in myself, I haven't even polished of half the bag yet. lol...But I did what I needed to do.

**Jodi** · 04-13-2003, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Do people ever read this thing?

Well I read this everyday. I have never tried protein cycling so I wouldn't be able to give suggestions.

Personally I would have picked swedish fish or Twizzlers instead of the jellybeans.

**P-funk** · 04-13-2003, 08:37 PM

LOL, sweedish fish and twizzlers are great choices, but I saw the jelly beans first when I walked into CVS, easter display. My problem is that I think that I really want that stuff and it looks so good(probably becasue my diet is so void of sugar). But once I start eating it I get a terrible stomach ache and can't finish them. I can't tell you how many half eaten bags of candycorn or spicedrops I have thwon out. The jelly beans are about to go into the garbage right now. My brain wants the sugar but my body just rejects this shit after a couple of bites......I gues that is best though.

Jenny · 04-14-2003, 01:15 AM

Hey P-funk!

Just read through your whole journal (yah, very busy at work

lol ), and I'm impressed!

Keep up the good work!

Jen

Jenny · 04-14-2003, 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jodi

Personally I would have picked swedish fish or Twizzlers instead of the jellybeans.

Lol, great choice Jodi..

though, what is it

??(I should know that

)

**Jodi** · 04-14-2003, 02:38 AM

They are similiar to gummy bears but I hate gummi bears. They have this really sweet coating and they aren't as chewy as gummy bears.

Funky - Candy Corn Rulez!

**P-funk** · 04-14-2003, 08:24 AM

I can't argue with ya there, jodi. Candy corn does rule. It is my favorite candy and is good year round.....unfortunatly I just can't find a way to work it into my diet.

Nike Girl....thanks for the read and the compliments. If you have any suggestions please offer them up....don't work to hard.

Jenny · 04-14-2003, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by P-funk

Nike Girl....thanks for the read and the compliments. If you have any suggestions please offer them up....don't work to hard.

I will! not any right now though..

And, I never work too hard.. except in the gym..

DaMayor · 04-14-2003, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by P-funk
But once I start eating it I get a terrible stomach ache and can't finish them.

Just speculating here, however, if you're having digestive problems with the (~90-99% sugar) candy, why wouldn't you substitute some super high GI foods? (e.g., fruits or fruit cocktails in syrup....something less extreme.)
Aw, just eat boy!

**P-funk** · 04-14-2003, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Just speculating here, however, if you're having digestive problems with the (~90-99% sugar) candy, why wouldn't you substitute some super high GI foods? (e.g., fruits or fruit cocktails in syrup....something less extreme.)

I do use high gi carbs instead sometimes....it all depends on how i feel, what i crave..my re-feed can go either way. Sometimes pasta, sometimes candy, sometimes rice or oatmeal, sometimes ben and jerry's frozen yogurt and sometimes cereal...It just depends on my mood at the moment I am in the store buying then food. What ever catches my eye first.

**P-funk** · 04-14-2003, 09:05 PM

4/14- chest

I am not going to post my meals today becuase they were really messed up. I tried for the protein cycling and was eating only 1g of protein per lb of bw which means my fat and carb intake were extra high. I feel like shit after today (you can read the post in the diet and nutrition forum if you are interested in the details.) so I am dropping the idea. Tomorrow I am going back to my regular diet. I am probably going to keep the carbs on the lower side for a few days to drop water which i am now retaining from todays failed attempt.

Okay, now to the chest workout. First things first. I felt like crap today after this diet, I was very sluggish and tired so it messed me up a bit. Also my strength sucked today. I know I always say I don't lift for strength but I know when I am not up to my bodies full potential. After my first pathetic set of bench press I really wanted to cry, I really felt like just getting out of there. I hope it was just from the high carb/fat diet I was on for the day. Here it is:

bench press
205x6+1

205x4
185x5
185x5

That was awful

decline fleys
35x18 (oops, went to light

)
45x12
45x9

Incline smith machine press (weight listed does not incude the bar)

140x10
160x6
170x4

high cable cross over
60x16
drop set
70x8, 50x10

This was upseting and depressing.....I am going catabolic just thinking about this workout.

DaMayor · 04-15-2003, 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by P-funk
I do use high gi carbs instead sometimes....it all depends on how i feel, what i crave..my re-feed can go either way. Sometimes pasta, sometimes candy, sometimes rice or oatmeal, sometimes ben and jerry's frozen yogurt and sometimes cereal...It just depends on my mood at the moment I am in the store buying then food. What ever catches my eye first.

(Grumpy Old Man Rant)
If that works for you, okay then, go for it. However, it just seems illogical, if not detrimental, to deviate so radically........ i.e., after all of the training and exercise in self dicipline, why put that junk into your system? I thought the BB diet was about consistency and quality.

(

)

Oh, by the way, quit bitchin' about the workout

.....you're starting to sound like DaMayor....Jeeze. The next one will be better.

**P-funk** · 04-15-2003, 09:14 AM

Yes Dm, you are right, bb diets are about consistency and quality. However I am also a man of science. Sugar is sugar when it comes down to it. I can either choose to refeed by eating 2c oatmeal, a banana, a sweetpotat etc. which with all that fiber will a)probably fill me up before I can get the needed amount of calories for my refeed and b) with all that fiber send me running to the bathroom every 10min. for the rest of the evening. Or I can choose to refeed with candy which provides a ton of calories with no fat in only a small amount. Usually I'll refeed by eating a big bowl of pasta and a small bag of smarties or some sort of sugary candy and that works well. This time I choose a burrito and jelly beans.....But sugar is sugar..

Stop bitchin???? It is what I do best and after all this is my journal.......more rants to come i'm sure.

DaMayor · 04-15-2003, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by P-funk

Stop bitchin???? It is what I do best and after all this is my journal.......more rants to come i'm sure.

Yeah. Yeah. I just didn't want to see another journal sink in a river of tears.....Like MINE did...if you recall.

**Jodi** · 04-15-2003, 09:18 AM

Funky, I want your diet, Swedish Fish, Jelly Beans and Pasta

BTW - Sorry but I like calling you Funky

**P-funk** · 04-15-2003, 09:40 AM

that's cool I like being called funky..

I wish my diet consisted of swedish fish, jelly beans and pasta....Unfortunaty my diet is really clean, I don't want anyone to get the impression that I am a slacker on this stuff. I am really strict with my diet but I also believe that when refeeding there are things that you can eat that make it a lot easier on yourself and are just as effective as eating an ass load of oatmeal..(which I have done many times before and have no problem with because oatmeal is one of my favorite foods)...

**Jodi** · 04-15-2003, 09:45 AM

Funky I'm only kidding with you, I understand your concept and know you eat clean.

Don't mind DaMayor - He's a little slow!!

Pepper · 04-15-2003, 09:49 AM

Funky ...no, I don't like that, P-Funk,

Would you recommend a similar re-feed for a lard butt like myself? I feel my BF loss has slowed down lately. I up'd my cardio, but maybe I need to refeed.

is the high sugar approach one that you would recommend for chubby's?

Sorry to clutter your journal with my questions.

**P-funk** · 04-15-2003, 10:11 AM

Jodi, I knoe you understand, I'm just playing around in a "Funky" sorta way

Pepper, don't be sorry, I stated in the begining that all questions, comments and suggestions are welcome.

When was the last time you did a refeed? I am not taking about a carb up but a refeed? Refeed's can be strange and are dependent of bf%. IE people with lower bf are going to refeed more often becuase there leptin levels drop quiker do to the fact that they have less bf. People with higher a bf% are in a fed state more often becuase their bf% is higher. However, a refeed may benefit them as well. I say that yes you could use a sugary type of refeed but be careful?? Sugar is sugar but not all sugars are created equal..... On refeeds I stay away from fructose (even though the jelly beans had fructose....god that was a bad example, I really opened up a can of worms here...lol, I just knew I could get away with the jelly beans in my diet). Also stay clear of fat. That is why ben and jerry's low fat frozen yogurt works well and so does cereal and skim milk.. Low in fat and not much fructose....You need to figure out how much sugar/carbs you need to ingest based on your body weight but just becareful not to go to crazy. One reason that the sugar refeed may not work for most is because they lose control and can't handle the cravings so a one-two day refeed turns into a week of cheating. I have never had this problem so I know I can handle it. As for you, that is something that you need to decide. How much weight are you losing per week still? How much do you weigh? How many cals/carbs are eating per day? And finally, hoe often do you carb up?

**P-funk** · 04-15-2003, 08:18 PM

4/15 back/calfs

barbell rows
135x12
155x10
185x4(damn it, stupif me i should have used wraps)
185x6(okay, better, got my wraps on)

superset
A. wide grip pull ups
B. close grip seated cable rows
1a. bwx7
1b. 140x6
2a. bwx7
2b. 130x6
3a. bwx5
3b. 120x9

Wide neutral grip pull downs
140x10
150x9+1 forced rep
170x6

decline dumbell pull overs
45x15
55x12

seated goodmornings
115x25
135x15
135x12

calf press
(The number of plates listed refers the number of 45lb plates on each side of the leg press sled..ie 3 plates=6 total 45lb plates)
3 platesx23
5 platesx15
6 platesx12
6 platesx10

**P-funk** · 04-15-2003, 08:37 PM

4/15 what i ate:

5g creatine

m1
1 scoop egg protein
1 whole egg
4 egg whites
1/4c. shredded mozzarella
omlet veggies
1/4c. oatmeal

m2
6oz chicken
1/4c brown rice (after cooking)
2 tsp flax
1 tbsp cider vinegar
salad

m3
1 can chunk light tuna
3 egg whites
1/3c oatmeal
1tbsp natty pb

m4(post w/o)
2 scoops optimum whey
1/2c oatmeal

m5
1 can albacore tuna
1 whole egg
1 egg white
1 tsp flax
3oz sweetpotato

m6
1.75c cottage cheese
3-4 strawberries

totals
2357.5 cals
288.5g protein
102g carbs
79g fat

50%p, 20%c, 30%f

**P-funk** · 04-15-2003, 08:46 PM

Okay I have noticed some interesting things. I have been getting stronger in stange exercise while I have either stayed the same or gotten a little weaker in others.. For example I have not really progressed on bench press but the amount of weight that I can do flyes with or dumbell press with has gone up?? I think the main reason for this, and the main reason that I have been gaining more size but not a crazy amount of strength is becuase I have been really focusing on making my form as strict as possible with very little cheating. I see tons of people in the gym just throwing weight around knowing full well that they could not do half of that weight if they tried to use proper/strict form.....So why am I boring you with this?? This is why:

Sicnce the readers of my journal have made themselves more vocal in the past few days ( I really apprreciate the responses guys...thanks) I want to take a little poll to see what you guys think:

Is it more important to you to keep your form as strict as possible without unwanted movement or assistance from any other body parts.. Or do you let your form slide a bit and cheat a little for the sake of increasing muscle mass and moving some heavier weight? What do you guys do/think?? Opinions please!!

RCfootball87 · 04-15-2003, 10:08 PM

i say you cheat a little but not much. keep a spotter nearby to control how much you cheat.

04-13-2003, 04:13 PM	#61
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,435	c'mon people.......no ideas on protein cycling or my ideas for next week????? anyone??????
	http://pwtraining.blogspot.com/.....come and see what is on my mind! http://ivonneberkowitz.blogspot.com/....check out Ivonne's new blog! Optimum Sports Performance "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

04-13-2003, 04:16 PM	#62
Pepper Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,539	OK...I am a bit surprised that 1 gram of protein per lbs of bodyweight is half of what you normally do. Wondering if I should not up mine...but I do have a question... what's with the jelly beans? Is that just a way to jack up your calories?
	My Carb Cycling Progress - you can't hide from the numbers.

04-13-2003, 06:15 PM	#63
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,435	What I normally do is 1.5-2g per lb of bw. I was thinking of dropping it down to 1g per lb of bw for a couple of days to cycle my protein. jelly beans, lol, well. Yeah, basically I needed to bump my cals up. But there is more behind it, even though it just looks like some sort of sloppy type of cheat becuase seriously the other foods I have eaten today aren't that bad (especially since I am bulking). Okay so why jelly beans: a) easy way to get calories in b)lots of carbs/sugar which is going to help me out strength and enrgy wise when I carb deplete for the next three days. c) I needed to bump up my leptin levels. I am eating around 2400-2500 cals and I am still hungry in between meals. By bf% is still low and my leptin level needs to be raised so I purposley at all that sugar with the intention of spilling over into adipose tissue........I can't finish the bag though, I am really full and getting sick of them fast. I am pretty disappointed in myself, I haven't even polished of half the bag yet. lol...But I did what I needed to do.
	http://pwtraining.blogspot.com/.....come and see what is on my mind! http://ivonneberkowitz.blogspot.com/....check out Ivonne's new blog! Optimum Sports Performance "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

04-13-2003, 08:37 PM	#65
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,435	LOL, sweedish fish and twizzlers are great choices, but I saw the jelly beans first when I walked into CVS, easter display. My problem is that I think that I really want that stuff and it looks so good(probably becasue my diet is so void of sugar). But once I start eating it I get a terrible stomach ache and can't finish them. I can't tell you how many half eaten bags of candycorn or spicedrops I have thwon out. The jelly beans are about to go into the garbage right now. My brain wants the sugar but my body just rejects this shit after a couple of bites......I gues that is best though.
	http://pwtraining.blogspot.com/.....come and see what is on my mind! http://ivonneberkowitz.blogspot.com/....check out Ivonne's new blog! Optimum Sports Performance "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

04-14-2003, 02:38 AM	#68
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,265 Photos: 1	They are similiar to gummy bears but I hate gummi bears. They have this really sweet coating and they aren't as chewy as gummy bears. Funky - Candy Corn Rulez! Last edited by Jodi : 04-14-2003 at 05:22 AM.
	Essence EFA

04-14-2003, 01:15 AM	#66
Jenny Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 6,728	Hey P-funk! Just read through your whole journal (yah, very busy at work lol ), and I'm impressed! Keep up the good work! Jen

04-14-2003, 08:24 AM	#69
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,435	I can't argue with ya there, jodi. Candy corn does rule. It is my favorite candy and is good year round.....unfortunatly I just can't find a way to work it into my diet. Nike Girl....thanks for the read and the compliments. If you have any suggestions please offer them up....don't work to hard.
	http://pwtraining.blogspot.com/.....come and see what is on my mind! http://ivonneberkowitz.blogspot.com/....check out Ivonne's new blog! Optimum Sports Performance "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

04-14-2003, 09:05 PM	#73
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,435	4/14- chest I am not going to post my meals today becuase they were really messed up. I tried for the protein cycling and was eating only 1g of protein per lb of bw which means my fat and carb intake were extra high. I feel like shit after today (you can read the post in the diet and nutrition forum if you are interested in the details.) so I am dropping the idea. Tomorrow I am going back to my regular diet. I am probably going to keep the carbs on the lower side for a few days to drop water which i am now retaining from todays failed attempt. Okay, now to the chest workout. First things first. I felt like crap today after this diet, I was very sluggish and tired so it messed me up a bit. Also my strength sucked today. I know I always say I don't lift for strength but I know when I am not up to my bodies full potential. After my first pathetic set of bench press I really wanted to cry, I really felt like just getting out of there. I hope it was just from the high carb/fat diet I was on for the day. Here it is: bench press 205x6+1 205x4 185x5 185x5 That was awful decline fleys 35x18 (oops, went to light ) 45x12 45x9 Incline smith machine press (weight listed does not incude the bar) 140x10 160x6 170x4 high cable cross over 60x16 drop set 70x8, 50x10 This was upseting and depressing.....I am going catabolic just thinking about this workout.
	http://pwtraining.blogspot.com/.....come and see what is on my mind! http://ivonneberkowitz.blogspot.com/....check out Ivonne's new blog! Optimum Sports Performance "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

04-15-2003, 09:14 AM	#75
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,435	Yes Dm, you are right, bb diets are about consistency and quality. However I am also a man of science. Sugar is sugar when it comes down to it. I can either choose to refeed by eating 2c oatmeal, a banana, a sweetpotat etc. which with all that fiber will a)probably fill me up before I can get the needed amount of calories for my refeed and b) with all that fiber send me running to the bathroom every 10min. for the rest of the evening. Or I can choose to refeed with candy which provides a ton of calories with no fat in only a small amount. Usually I'll refeed by eating a big bowl of pasta and a small bag of smarties or some sort of sugary candy and that works well. This time I choose a burrito and jelly beans.....But sugar is sugar.. Stop bitchin???? It is what I do best and after all this is my journal.......more rants to come i'm sure.
	http://pwtraining.blogspot.com/.....come and see what is on my mind! http://ivonneberkowitz.blogspot.com/....check out Ivonne's new blog! Optimum Sports Performance "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

04-15-2003, 09:18 AM	#77
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,265 Photos: 1	Funky, I want your diet, Swedish Fish, Jelly Beans and Pasta BTW - Sorry but I like calling you Funky
	Essence EFA

04-15-2003, 09:40 AM	#78
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,435	that's cool I like being called funky.. I wish my diet consisted of swedish fish, jelly beans and pasta....Unfortunaty my diet is really clean, I don't want anyone to get the impression that I am a slacker on this stuff. I am really strict with my diet but I also believe that when refeeding there are things that you can eat that make it a lot easier on yourself and are just as effective as eating an ass load of oatmeal..(which I have done many times before and have no problem with because oatmeal is one of my favorite foods)...
	http://pwtraining.blogspot.com/.....come and see what is on my mind! http://ivonneberkowitz.blogspot.com/....check out Ivonne's new blog! Optimum Sports Performance "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

04-15-2003, 09:45 AM	#79
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,265 Photos: 1	Funky I'm only kidding with you, I understand your concept and know you eat clean. Don't mind DaMayor - He's a little slow!!
	Essence EFA

04-15-2003, 09:49 AM	#80
Pepper Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,539	Funky ...no, I don't like that, P-Funk, Would you recommend a similar re-feed for a lard butt like myself? I feel my BF loss has slowed down lately. I up'd my cardio, but maybe I need to refeed. is the high sugar approach one that you would recommend for chubby's? Sorry to clutter your journal with my questions.
	My Carb Cycling Progress - you can't hide from the numbers.

04-15-2003, 10:11 AM	#81
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,435	Jodi, I knoe you understand, I'm just playing around in a "Funky" sorta way Pepper, don't be sorry, I stated in the begining that all questions, comments and suggestions are welcome. When was the last time you did a refeed? I am not taking about a carb up but a refeed? Refeed's can be strange and are dependent of bf%. IE people with lower bf are going to refeed more often becuase there leptin levels drop quiker do to the fact that they have less bf. People with higher a bf% are in a fed state more often becuase their bf% is higher. However, a refeed may benefit them as well. I say that yes you could use a sugary type of refeed but be careful?? Sugar is sugar but not all sugars are created equal..... On refeeds I stay away from fructose (even though the jelly beans had fructose....god that was a bad example, I really opened up a can of worms here...lol, I just knew I could get away with the jelly beans in my diet). Also stay clear of fat. That is why ben and jerry's low fat frozen yogurt works well and so does cereal and skim milk.. Low in fat and not much fructose....You need to figure out how much sugar/carbs you need to ingest based on your body weight but just becareful not to go to crazy. One reason that the sugar refeed may not work for most is because they lose control and can't handle the cravings so a one-two day refeed turns into a week of cheating. I have never had this problem so I know I can handle it. As for you, that is something that you need to decide. How much weight are you losing per week still? How much do you weigh? How many cals/carbs are eating per day? And finally, hoe often do you carb up?
	http://pwtraining.blogspot.com/.....come and see what is on my mind! http://ivonneberkowitz.blogspot.com/....check out Ivonne's new blog! Optimum Sports Performance "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

04-15-2003, 08:18 PM	#82
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,435	4/15 back/calfs barbell rows 135x12 155x10 185x4(damn it, stupif me i should have used wraps) 185x6(okay, better, got my wraps on) superset A. wide grip pull ups B. close grip seated cable rows 1a. bwx7 1b. 140x6 2a. bwx7 2b. 130x6 3a. bwx5 3b. 120x9 Wide neutral grip pull downs 140x10 150x9+1 forced rep 170x6 decline dumbell pull overs 45x15 55x12 seated goodmornings 115x25 135x15 135x12 calf press (The number of plates listed refers the number of 45lb plates on each side of the leg press sled..ie 3 plates=6 total 45lb plates) 3 platesx23 5 platesx15 6 platesx12 6 platesx10
	http://pwtraining.blogspot.com/.....come and see what is on my mind! http://ivonneberkowitz.blogspot.com/....check out Ivonne's new blog! Optimum Sports Performance "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

04-15-2003, 08:37 PM	#83
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,435	4/15 what i ate: 5g creatine m1 1 scoop egg protein 1 whole egg 4 egg whites 1/4c. shredded mozzarella omlet veggies 1/4c. oatmeal m2 6oz chicken 1/4c brown rice (after cooking) 2 tsp flax 1 tbsp cider vinegar salad m3 1 can chunk light tuna 3 egg whites 1/3c oatmeal 1tbsp natty pb m4(post w/o) 2 scoops optimum whey 1/2c oatmeal m5 1 can albacore tuna 1 whole egg 1 egg white 1 tsp flax 3oz sweetpotato m6 1.75c cottage cheese 3-4 strawberries totals 2357.5 cals 288.5g protein 102g carbs 79g fat 50%p, 20%c, 30%f
	http://pwtraining.blogspot.com/.....come and see what is on my mind! http://ivonneberkowitz.blogspot.com/....check out Ivonne's new blog! Optimum Sports Performance "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

04-15-2003, 08:46 PM	#84
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,435	Okay I have noticed some interesting things. I have been getting stronger in stange exercise while I have either stayed the same or gotten a little weaker in others.. For example I have not really progressed on bench press but the amount of weight that I can do flyes with or dumbell press with has gone up?? I think the main reason for this, and the main reason that I have been gaining more size but not a crazy amount of strength is becuase I have been really focusing on making my form as strict as possible with very little cheating. I see tons of people in the gym just throwing weight around knowing full well that they could not do half of that weight if they tried to use proper/strict form.....So why am I boring you with this?? This is why: Sicnce the readers of my journal have made themselves more vocal in the past few days ( I really apprreciate the responses guys...thanks) I want to take a little poll to see what you guys think: Is it more important to you to keep your form as strict as possible without unwanted movement or assistance from any other body parts.. Or do you let your form slide a bit and cheat a little for the sake of increasing muscle mass and moving some heavier weight? What do you guys do/think?? Opinions please!!
	http://pwtraining.blogspot.com/.....come and see what is on my mind! http://ivonneberkowitz.blogspot.com/....check out Ivonne's new blog! Optimum Sports Performance "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

04-15-2003, 10:08 PM	#85
RCfootball87 Rhino Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Rockford, Illinois Posts: 1,303	i say you cheat a little but not much. keep a spotter nearby to control how much you cheat.
	back for the first time....