Thread: My cut

Hi kkohler1!

Welcome to IM!!!!

Who helped you with this plan? Looks good!

Welcome to the Jungle, my man! There are geniuses on this board and everybody's is trying to shine together! Looking forward to seeing your journal.

HI!!

Your meals kind look like ours!

hi jodi, eskimo and julie. tahnks for the welcomes/ My trainer was the one who gave me this plan, and even suggested me to this site. and even if he says he didnt, i think he leanred everything off of here.

he was a member here though i dont know his screen name

what do you guys think? I need advice on when i should start tweaking my plan. more fat, less carbs?

i want to go on a clean bulk, but im not too sure of the best way to approach that and when i start if im cutting now.

How long have you been on this plan?

Jodi I have been on this plan for six weeks .

yesterday

first meal : ground beef 6oz. - egg whites 4 - spinach 3 cups -apples 2

second ; tuna water 1 can - hellmans Mayonnaise 1 tablespoon -half banana - lettuce 3 C

thrid : ground beef 6oz. - egg whites 4 - spinach 3 cups - apples 2

Fourth : chicken breast 1 - newmans 1 tablspoon - green beans 1 C. - half banana

fifth : protein around 2 scoops - flax oil .5 tablespoons - blueberries - cottage cheese .5 C

sixth : can tuna water 1 - hellmans Mayonnaise 1 tablespoon - grapefruit 2 slices - lettuce 3 Cups

shoudlers abs & cardio

Interesting journal kohler (you make facets and fixtures, btw?).

On the issue of when and whether you should bulk, I can't assess that from what is here, as it depends on your goals, your bodyfat percentage, etc.

I can say that if you want to bulk you need to up the kcals. Since you are losing a lot of fat on this plan.

If you multiply BW by 16-18, that should be your total kcals.

You are getting plenty of protein (50 x 6 = 300).

You should up the fat a bit by adding 15-20 grams of fish oil daily.

The rest can come from carbs. I'd recommend more fruit and veggies, and also some simple carbs like dextrose in your post workout shake. Speaking of which, I can't tell that you have one, but you should be, immediately after your workout.

Oh, and your w/o schedule is odd. 4 on/3 off is not the best plan, and you could probably lose the cardio.

Sorry, must have missed this.

If you want to continue cutting then YES its time for a tweak. If you want to bulk to put on some LBM then TP gave you some good advice to follow.

TP - what do suggest i change for working out?

thats 3400 cals you suggested. i dont want to intake an excessive amoubt of cals that get stored, since my workout schedule is obviously strained for time.

do you think this is the best bulk technique?
ive been "cutting" for almost a month and a half now, and lost a lot of fat. My goals are to maintain lean body muscle and lose all the fat i can.

i dont want to be skinny but not enormous either.

Goal #1: to los the gut.

Originally posted by kkohler1
TP - what do suggest i change for working out?

thats 3400 cals you suggested. i dont want to intake an excessive amoubt of cals that get stored, since my workout schedule is obviously strained for time.

do you think this is the best bulk technique?
ive been "cutting" for almost a month and a half now, and lost a lot of fat. My goals are to maintain lean body muscle and lose all the fat i can.

i dont want to be skinny but not enormous either.

Goal #1: to los the gut.

This does not sound to me like a bulk is appropriate.

If you have been cutting for six weeks are you still losing?

If so, I'd continue as is. When you start to stall, you might want to take a week eating about 500 kcals daily more then you were then resume as you were.

but if im cutting and i just keep getting skinnier - how would i avoid that? woudnt a bulk help that out some?

Just eat more food and lift more weight?

Skinnier, is what you want if your goal is fatloss.

When you lose fat, the muscles may "look smaller" as subcutaneous fat is now less, but you have not really lost significant muscle.

If in fact you are losing muscle, then you are having too few cals below maintenance. I suspect this is more mental than anything else.

so simply put - im on the right track?

Yes.

thanks TP - why arent you a mod?

thats a good thing that im going the right way

for future tweaking, i can just up the cals?

also- at what point do i know im ready for bulking?

Originally posted by kkohler1
thanks TP - why arent you a mod?

I was never asked.

Originally posted by kkohler1 for future tweaking, i can just up the cals?

Pretty much, and I'd suggest in the areas I mentioned above. Even if you continue cutting, I'd work the fish oil into your diet, you can reduce some protein to compensate.

Originally posted by kkohler1
also- at what point do i know im ready for bulking?

This is easy: when you would rather build muscle then loss fat.

why do you suggest im not ready for a bulk?

just curious

Originally posted by kkohler1
TP - what do suggest i change for working out?

thats 3400 cals you suggested. i dont want to intake an excessive amoubt of cals that get stored, since my workout schedule is obviously strained for time.

do you think this is the best bulk technique?
ive been "cutting" for almost a month and a half now, and lost a lot of fat. My goals are to maintain lean body muscle and lose all the fat i can.

i dont want to be skinny but not enormous either.

Goal #1: to los the gut.

Because I read this.

but wont bulking lose fat also?

Im assuming its more effective to lose the fat, get skinny, then bulk and put on more muscle, than put on more muscle on a bulk then lose fat.

right?

I know when my hubby bulks he gains fat too. Since you want to continue to lose fat then this isn't the right time for you to bulk.

Generally agreed upon definitions, off the top:

Cut: Primary goal is to lose bodyfat; this is achieved in a hypocaloric state (i.e. less kcals in then are burned).

Bulk: Primary goal is to gain muscle; this is achieved in a hypercaloric state (i.e. more kcals in then are burned).

A good rule of thumb is plus or minus 500 kcals daily. Inevitably, when you cutm you will lose some muscle, and when you bulk you will gain some fat.

man, im going to look like a little kid i'll be so skinny.

so i need to eat more cals to not lose muscle? what kind of cals? protein?

Reread above.

so intake more fish oil, less protein. to increase about 500 cals.
is there a thread on fish oil? thats not in the flax aisle, is it?

and for workouts then would this be more effective?

S-rest
M-lift
T-lift
W-rest
T-lift
F-lift
S-rest

Originally posted by kkohler1
so intake more fish oil, less protein. to increase about 500 cals.
is there a thread on fish oil? thats not in the flax aisle, is it?

and for workouts then would this be more effective?

S-rest
M-lift
T-lift
W-rest
T-lift
F-lift
S-rest

Yes, this is better.

Fish oil is not discussed much around these parts, but is well worth the investment, and a superior fat source than anything else, including flax. You can get it in gel caps, just about anywhere.

Keep your kcals the same if your primary goal is to lose the gut. If your primary goal is to gain muscle, increase your daily intake by 500 kcals.

So would this work?

fat / meal = 18g , 108g /day
EFA's like flax, fish oil, hemp

protein / meal = alternate 50/40/50/40/50/40 = 270g / day

carbs / meal = same.

Cals = between 2800 - 3000.

do you think this is good

Sounds good. When you are ready to bulk, up the carbs as I suggested above.