LEPTIGEN pII...Da Journey.

DaMayor · 07-25-2003, 11:10 AM

Aspartame!

(Mod Impersonation...heh heh heh)

I think it tastes like one of two things. Either watered down, week old tang, or some sort of pickle juice. I think it's the ALA.
I view it like protein.....it's a tool, just swig it!

Three, eh? Well, I guess you are a bit chunkier than I am....

**Jodi** · 07-25-2003, 11:13 AM

I drink Crystal Light all the time

Twin Peak · 07-25-2003, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DaMayor
Aspartame!

(Mod Impersonation...heh heh heh)

I think it tastes like one of two things. Either watered down, week old tang, or some sort of pickle juice. I think it's the ALA.
I view it like protein.....it's a tool, just swig it!

Three, eh? Well, I guess to are a bit chunkier than I am....

Reread the instructions -- the doseage GOES UP the LEANER you are!

Jodi, I will mix it with crystal light at home, rasberry is a good idea.

My question though was WHAT FLAVOR would you like to see in the FINAL product. That is what I am talking to the manufacturer about.

DaMayor · 07-25-2003, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Reread the instructions -- the doseage GOES UP the LEANER you are!

Jodi, I will mix it with crystal light at home, rasberry is a good idea.

My question though was WHAT FLAVOR would you like to see in the FINAL product. That is what I am talking to the manufacturer about.

Well, you might as well match the hatch. Since it has a sort of citrus thing going on, maybe orange or lemon.

DaMayor · 07-25-2003, 03:41 PM

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Originally posted by Jodi
I drink Crystal Light all the time

I have some in my cupboard...just pulling your (rather nicely defined) leg.

Workout went well today. Bi's/Tri's.
Since this was the first time in quite a while that I had worked my Bi's (since my injury) I made a special effort to go (embarrassingly) light on the weight. However, I was very surprised at the pump I acheived @ 50% my normal work load(s).
Pushed Tri's pretty hard. I've never used creatine in the past, nor have I taken in enough LeptiGen to attribute the "pump" to either at this point. I could be wrong. Regardless, the workout felt good for a change.

Twin Peak · 07-25-2003, 03:54 PM

Interesting.

DaMayor · 07-25-2003, 04:18 PM

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Originally posted by Twin Peak
Interesting.

The part about the pump, or the part about having to hide in the bathroom to do curls?

On a serious note, have Par or anyone else hinted as to when the LeptiGen pII might start to yield weight loss effects? I recall reading about a loading period in the old LeptiGen write ups, so I am guessing that it will be as long as a week or more before I start to see any significant changes.

Of course this is entirely speculative on my part......I realize we're in the testing phase. But based on the previous, only slightly similar product, what would your guess be?

Twin Peak · 07-25-2003, 04:24 PM

Well, it it only going to moderately improve fat loss (via its nutrient partitioning formulas) directly. Its value is to ensure leptin levels stay elevated, or i f suppressed (rise) -- thus the loading.

DaMayor · 07-25-2003, 04:41 PM

Alright, this leads me to question number 2. Currently, I'm taking in about 2300 calories on average. (No where near what was suggested, if you remember) Based on Par's comment last night, I've been considering dropping down to, say, 2000cals. Sounds risky, yes. But if the Lep II does its job, I should be able to do so (drop kcals) with less chance of damaging my metabolism, no?
The way I see it is this, the only harm too much of a deficit could do would be to screw up my metabolism (again).....So I have to do another re-set......big whoop.
Either way, I'm taking a chance, right?

Twin Peak · 07-26-2003, 11:18 AM

2000 would be fine. 1800 would be also.

Twin Peak · 07-26-2003, 11:20 AM

Though the greater the deficit, the higher the dose.

DaMayor · 07-26-2003, 06:49 PM

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Originally posted by Twin Peak
2000 would be fine. 1800 would be also.

That's what I wanted to hear.

All passengers please fasten your seatbelts, we are going to descend to 1800 cals per day. We hope you have enjoyed your journey thus far, and again thank you for dieting with LeptiGen II.

This is only gonna get better and better.

DaMayor · 07-28-2003, 07:53 AM

My diet has remained on track over the course of the weekend, which is why I haven't posted meals for those days. We'll pick it back up today.

I have noticed a substantial decrease, if not a complete absence, of hunger or cravings of any sort after taking the Lep II. This usually lasts for as long as six hours. Yesterday, I could barely bring myself to eat lunch, which consisted of a tiny 4oz.salmon steak and a salad. I just sat there and poked at it...then finally just tossed it down because I knew I should eat something.
I've had no more headaches, no abodominal discomfort or indigestion, no marked lethargy, and my overall affect remains level.
Everything seems pretty normal.

Workout today.....pump-report later.

Meals:

Meal 1
1 cup Oatbran
1 whole eggs
2 whites
Multi Vitamin
10 grams fish oil

Meal 2
6oz. chicken breast
1 stick mozzarella

Meal 3
1 cup tuna salad
1.5cups salad greens

Meal 4 (post w/o)
protein shake

Meal 5
2 whiting fillets
1 cup eggplant/squash
10grams fish oil

Totals-
Calories:1563
Protein:203
Carbs.:35.4
Fat:69.4

Twin Peak · 07-28-2003, 08:32 AM

Lack of hunger has been nothing short of remarkable. Dozens of people are reporting this already.

DaMayor · 07-28-2003, 08:54 AM

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Originally posted by Twin Peak
Lack of hunger has been nothing short of remarkable. Dozens of people are reporting this already.

This is true, however, my personal objective has been to avoid recording any decrease in hunger due to psychosomatic influences/generalized hope in the product. Seems like a lot of folks noted this very very early on. Made me wonder a bit. Anyway........hunger pains are no more.

Twin Peak · 07-28-2003, 09:05 AM

I started dosing on Thursday night, and the first time I noticed anything was on Saturday. And the blunting was too dramatic to be psychosomatic, IMO.

DaMayor · 07-28-2003, 03:11 PM

My comment was in reference to those who had only had the product for a day or so. I agree that the degree of "bluntness", or lack of hunger is dramatic overall. I was just being cautious in my personal observation of this.

To the gym!

DaMayor · 07-28-2003, 07:52 PM

Quick Notes....

Today's food intake was short of the mark. My calories were way too low, protein was low, etc.. May have to add a quick protein shake or something to bring the numbers up.

Apparently, the lack of cravings has made it easy to "under eat".

Workout went well....strength continues to increase at a nice pace.
I'm now recruiting for both IM and Avant.

Salary is negotiable.

Oh, by the way, since this past Friday I've lost about 3.5lbs. Hopefully, this trend will continue.

Twin Peak · 07-28-2003, 07:52 PM

I too have eaten suprisingly little today, and am sitting here rather full.

Twin Peak · 07-28-2003, 07:54 PM

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Originally posted by DaMayor
Oh, by the way, since this past Friday I've lost about 3.5lbs. Hopefully, this trend will continue.

Basically you are saying you were stalled for months and since adding leptigen, in 4 days you have lost 3.5 pounds?

Still I have to believe its mostly water.

DaMayor · 07-28-2003, 08:08 PM

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Originally posted by Twin Peak
Basically you are saying you were stalled for months and since adding leptigen, in 4 days you have lost 3.5 pounds?Guardedly, Yes.

Still I have to believe its mostly water.

I think the same...for now.
If the trend continues for another two weeks, then I would feel more confident in saying that it was primarily the caloric deficit, supported by the Leptigen.

Twin Peak · 07-28-2003, 08:12 PM

You won't average a pound a day. 1.5 to 2 per week is optimal. Stalling [was] inevitable.

Twin Peak · 07-28-2003, 08:14 PM

Although if the trend continues I might reconsider my stance on the nutrient partitioning effects and change it from mild to dramatic.

Also, recall that you once were eating far reduced calories than you are now, with zero results.

DaMayor · 07-28-2003, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
You won't average a pound a day. 1.5 to 2 per week is optimal. Stalling [was] inevitable.

Oh no, I wouldn't want to. Well, of course I would want to, but it wouldn't be in my best interests for long term success.
1-2 a week is cool.

Re:your statement about my previous caloric intake....
That's really what I meant when I said "with the support of the Leptigen"...I meant it is doing its job well thus far. I suppose the real test will come in a couple more weeks, or when a re-feed would normally be required.

DaMayor · 07-29-2003, 08:03 AM

Okay, today we'll get our calories back up to 1800, or thereabouts. Odd, but I feel like hitting the gym again today.

Meal 1
1 cup Oat Bran
1 whole egg
4 egg whites
coffeex2
Multi-Vitamin
10 grams fish oil

Meal 2
1/2 cup tuna salad (did not want this)

Meal 3 (Not terribly hungry, but moreso than in the a.m.)
2 4oz. turkey burgers
1 cup green beans
10 grams fish oil.

Meal 5...

Jenny · 07-29-2003, 08:40 AM

This will be very interesting to follow

I think I just might buy Leptigen myself..

TP, how much do you think the shipping would be?

Pepper · 07-29-2003, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jenny
This will be very interesting to follow

I think I just might buy Leptigen myself..

TP, how much do you think the shipping would be?

Yes, this is interesting. I ordered some yesterday

, figured what the hell.

07-25-2003, 11:10 AM	#31
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,145	Aspartame! (Mod Impersonation...heh heh heh) I think it tastes like one of two things. Either watered down, week old tang, or some sort of pickle juice. I think it's the ALA. I view it like protein.....it's a tool, just swig it! Three, eh? Well, I guess you are a bit chunkier than I am.... Last edited by DaMayor : 07-25-2003 at 11:44 AM.

07-25-2003, 11:13 AM	#32
Jodi Moderator Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,259 Photos: 1	I drink Crystal Light all the time
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07-25-2003, 03:54 PM	#36
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,870	Interesting.
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07-25-2003, 04:24 PM	#38
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,870	Well, it it only going to moderately improve fat loss (via its nutrient partitioning formulas) directly. Its value is to ensure leptin levels stay elevated, or i f suppressed (rise) -- thus the loading.
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07-26-2003, 11:18 AM	#40
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,870	2000 would be fine. 1800 would be also.
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07-25-2003, 04:41 PM	#39
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,145	Alright, this leads me to question number 2. Currently, I'm taking in about 2300 calories on average. (No where near what was suggested, if you remember) Based on Par's comment last night, I've been considering dropping down to, say, 2000cals. Sounds risky, yes. But if the Lep II does its job, I should be able to do so (drop kcals) with less chance of damaging my metabolism, no? The way I see it is this, the only harm too much of a deficit could do would be to screw up my metabolism (again).....So I have to do another re-set......big whoop. Either way, I'm taking a chance, right?

07-26-2003, 11:20 AM	#41
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,870	Though the greater the deficit, the higher the dose.
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07-28-2003, 07:53 AM	#43
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,145	My diet has remained on track over the course of the weekend, which is why I haven't posted meals for those days. We'll pick it back up today. I have noticed a substantial decrease, if not a complete absence, of hunger or cravings of any sort after taking the Lep II. This usually lasts for as long as six hours. Yesterday, I could barely bring myself to eat lunch, which consisted of a tiny 4oz.salmon steak and a salad. I just sat there and poked at it...then finally just tossed it down because I knew I should eat something. I've had no more headaches, no abodominal discomfort or indigestion, no marked lethargy, and my overall affect remains level. Everything seems pretty normal. Workout today.....pump-report later. Meals: Meal 1 1 cup Oatbran 1 whole eggs 2 whites Multi Vitamin 10 grams fish oil Meal 2 6oz. chicken breast 1 stick mozzarella Meal 3 1 cup tuna salad 1.5cups salad greens Meal 4 (post w/o) protein shake Meal 5 2 whiting fillets 1 cup eggplant/squash 10grams fish oil Totals- Calories:1563 Protein:203 Carbs.:35.4 Fat:69.4 Last edited by DaMayor : 07-28-2003 at 07:44 PM.

07-28-2003, 08:32 AM	#44
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,870	Lack of hunger has been nothing short of remarkable. Dozens of people are reporting this already.
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07-28-2003, 09:05 AM	#46
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,870	I started dosing on Thursday night, and the first time I noticed anything was on Saturday. And the blunting was too dramatic to be psychosomatic, IMO.
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07-28-2003, 03:11 PM	#47
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,145	My comment was in reference to those who had only had the product for a day or so. I agree that the degree of "bluntness", or lack of hunger is dramatic overall. I was just being cautious in my personal observation of this. To the gym!

07-28-2003, 07:52 PM	#48
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,145	Quick Notes.... Today's food intake was short of the mark. My calories were way too low, protein was low, etc.. May have to add a quick protein shake or something to bring the numbers up. Apparently, the lack of cravings has made it easy to "under eat". Workout went well....strength continues to increase at a nice pace. I'm now recruiting for both IM and Avant. Salary is negotiable. Oh, by the way, since this past Friday I've lost about 3.5lbs. Hopefully, this trend will continue.

07-28-2003, 08:12 PM	#52
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,870	You won't average a pound a day. 1.5 to 2 per week is optimal. Stalling [was] inevitable.
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07-28-2003, 08:14 PM	#53
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,870	Although if the trend continues I might reconsider my stance on the nutrient partitioning effects and change it from mild to dramatic. Also, recall that you once were eating far reduced calories than you are now, with zero results.
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07-29-2003, 08:03 AM	#55
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,145	Okay, today we'll get our calories back up to 1800, or thereabouts. Odd, but I feel like hitting the gym again today. Meal 1 1 cup Oat Bran 1 whole egg 4 egg whites coffeex2 Multi-Vitamin 10 grams fish oil Meal 2 1/2 cup tuna salad (did not want this) Meal 3 (Not terribly hungry, but moreso than in the a.m.) 2 4oz. turkey burgers 1 cup green beans 10 grams fish oil. Meal 5... Last edited by DaMayor : 07-29-2003 at 12:54 PM.

07-29-2003, 08:40 AM	#56
Jenny Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 6,728	This will be very interesting to follow I think I just might buy Leptigen myself.. TP, how much do you think the shipping would be?