LEPTIGEN pII...Da Journey.

**dg806** · 07-29-2003, 07:58 AM

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Originally posted by DaMayor
Well, you might as well match the hatch. Since it has a sort of citrus thing going on, maybe orange or lemon.

I wonder if anyone knows what this means???

Twin Peak · 07-29-2003, 08:01 AM

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Originally posted by Jenny
Yeah, if it can stop my ocassional cravings I'm all for it!

Please don't misunderstand. This is only a tinsy winsy benefit. And evidence that what it is suppose to do, it is doing.

Jenny · 07-29-2003, 08:07 AM

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Originally posted by Twin Peak
Please don't misunderstand. This is only a tinsy winsy benefit. And evidence that what it is suppose to do, it is doing.

I know TP, I don't expect it to be a miracle product, even though it seems to have some really good benefits

And I can't believe you said "tinsy winsy"

Twin Peak · 07-29-2003, 08:13 AM

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Originally posted by Jenny
I know TP, I don't expect it to be a miracle product, even though it seems to have some really good benefits

And I can't believe you said "tinsy winsy"

No, no. I am not being clear.

In fact, this is a miracle product. Or at least as close to one as we have ever seen.

It in fact does suppress appetite and cravings. My point was that is not what it was designed for, but rather a byproduct of it does.

I have discussed this in detail elsewhere, but in short, it sends a signal to your body that it is being fed a significant amount of calories when it is not. So, when you diet, you can still gain muscle, your leptin levels and thus metabolism does crash, and on and on. Also, your body thinks it is being "Fed." Thus, little hunger, and few cravings.

Jenny · 07-29-2003, 08:19 AM

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Originally posted by Twin Peak
No, no. I am not being clear.

In fact, this is a miracle product. Or at least as close to one as we have ever seen.

It in fact does suppress appetite and cravings. My point was that is not what it was designed for, but rather a byproduct of it does.

I have discussed this in detail elsewhere, but in short, it sends a signal to your body that it is being fed a significant amount of calories when it is not. So, when you diet, you can still gain muscle, your leptin levels and thus metabolism does crash, and on and on. Also, your body thinks it is being "Fed." Thus, little hunger, and few cravings.

Oh, okay. I guess I haven't been reading up enough.

This really is interesting. Could be a tremendous help!

Please check the shipping costs, I think you've got a new customer

DaMayor · 07-29-2003, 09:09 AM

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Originally posted by Twin Peak
No, no. I am not being clear.

In fact, this is a miracle product. Or at least as close to one as we have ever seen.

It in fact does suppress appetite and cravings. My point was that is not what it was designed for, but rather a byproduct of it does.

I have discussed this in detail elsewhere, but in short, it sends a signal to your body that it is being fed a significant amount of calories when it is not. So, when you diet, you can still gain muscle, your leptin levels and thus metabolism does crash, and on and on. Also, your body thinks it is being "Fed." Thus, little hunger, and few cravings.

I hope you meant "doesn't crash"...

Considering my personal history, if my current "weight loss" continues, (even though we are probably right in suspecting water loss initially) this will prove (at least to me) that the product protects leptin levels and metabolism, since I would otherwise have crashed and burned by now. Seems that my system is overly protective of fat....while this would be handy during a famine, it is not a desireable condition under normal circumstances.

DaMayor · 07-29-2003, 09:30 AM

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Originally posted by dg806
I wonder if anyone knows what this means???

It's a trout fisherman's term. When selecting a fly, you would want to match the species of fly most recently hatched....hence more preferred by the fish.

Quick Note:

Meal number 2 was damn near impossible to eat....my appetite's been hammered! Yeesh! Now the problem is eating enough!

nikegurl · 07-29-2003, 09:35 AM

I'm going to have to try this as well!

TP, in your honest opinion would I be better off waiting a few weeks since I'm coming off 6 weeks of no gym and not following my eating plan?

By the way - I know it had to be bad for my metabolism to eat so little and drop weight so quickly but I actually like the way I look now. Much leaner. Yes, I know I lost muscle but my bodyfat is much lower so I guess I got lucky.

I started back at the gym last night. Today I'm figuring out my meals to do carb cycling. Should I hold off a few weeks on the Leptigen?

DaMayor, thanks for doing this and posting a great journal. I look forward to all the updates. Hope you keep making great progress!

Twin Peak · 07-29-2003, 11:41 AM

NG, generally one would not need Leptigen at the beginning of a diet, as leptin levels are normally quite high. That said, even such a person could use 1 or 2 TBSP per day (and increase dosage as s/he got leaner) to maintain proper balance.

However, it sounds like you are leaner than normal (for you). So it be particularly beneficial for you at this time.

Conversely, someone who has been dieting for a while should probably load with Leptigen, so its six of one half of another.

That said you could probably wait a week or two without loading.

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Seems that my system is overly protective of fat....while this would be handy during a famine, it is not a desireable condition under normal circumstances.

DM, just means your body is highly effecient, from an evolutionary standpoint.

Evolution is the main concept behind Par Deus articles, and theories behind Leptigen.

DaMayor · 07-29-2003, 11:49 AM

I'm not sure what TP's response would be, but per the instructions given on the package:

"Females
Add 1 tablespoon....etc. etc........Do not use until under 25%BF,unless you have dieted for at least 8 weeks."

My interpretation of this is "Go for it". However, I'm sure Mr. Peaks will have additional advice.

As far as the journal goes......it's all good.

Another quick note:

While I'm not exactly looking forward to Meal 3, aka lunch, I'm not quite as void of hunger as before. It seems that the LeptiGen hits me hard for ~3 hours, then tapers off a bit. At this point, I'm taking two doses per day, but due to my recent decrease in calories, I might want to add another dose mid-day...maybe a teaspoon for starters.....Comments?

Twin Peak · 07-29-2003, 11:51 AM

3 would be good, given your deficit.

nikegurl · 07-29-2003, 11:51 AM

hmmmm....maybe i shouldn't wait. while i haven't "dieted" in the proper sense i have had very low calories in recent weeks.

i'll let the finances decide if i order now or have to wait for next paycheck. thank you both!

DaMayor · 07-29-2003, 12:02 PM

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Originally posted by Twin Peak

DM, just means your body is highly effecient, from an evolutionary standpoint.

Evolution is the main concept behind Par Deus articles, and theories behind Leptigen.

This was my thought as well.......and explains my uncanny interest in hunting and gathering societies...as well as my disproportionate arm length. Could I be

Da Missing Link?

Pepper · 07-29-2003, 12:05 PM

evolution

DaMayor · 07-29-2003, 12:22 PM

Don't do it,man......don't do it! I'll NEVER get another entry in here if that debate gets fired up again.

Pepper · 07-29-2003, 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by DaMayor
Don't do it,man......don't do it! I'll NEVER get another entry in here if that debate gets fired up again.

No way, I was just funning with you.

I did buy some of this stuff, we'll see if it helps. I am cutting my calories again, down to 2,000. Whoever said 10 cals per lbs needs to be taken out and beaten...it just ain't so...not for me anyway!

Twin Peak · 07-29-2003, 12:29 PM

Must have missed it. Thankfully.

Twin Peak · 07-29-2003, 12:30 PM

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Originally posted by Pepper
No way, I was just funning with you.

I did buy some of this stuff, we'll see if it helps. I am cutting my calories again, down to 2,000. Whoever said 10 cals per lbs needs to be taken out and beaten...it just ain't so...not for me anyway!

Wow, you are REALLY low. And I presume rather low below your setpoint?

I'd suggest a rather high dosing given those two factors.

DaMayor · 07-29-2003, 06:33 PM

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Originally posted by DaMayor
Okay, today we'll get our calories back up to 1800, or thereabouts. Odd, but I feel like hitting the gym again today.

Meal 1
1 cup Oat Bran
1 whole egg
4 egg whites
coffeex2
Multi-Vitamin
10 grams fish oil

Meal 2
1/2 cup tuna salad (did not want this)

Meal 3 (Not terribly hungry, but moreso than in the a.m.)
2 4oz. turkey burgers
1 cup green beans
10 grams fish oil.

Meal 4...

Alright , let's get back on track...

Meal4
EAS Advantage Bar

Meal 5
6oz. cubed steak
1 cup sweet potato
1/4 onion

Meal 6
EAS AdvantEdge Bar (had to buy some cals

)

Totals-
Calories:1789
Protein:205
Fat:83
Carbs.:33.5

At this point, I've noted with some consistencey that the effects of Lep II are most noticeable for about three to three and a half hours after (my initial) dose. This is just the appetite "blunting" we're talking about.
Due to my lack of desire to eat, dropping calories is no problem. However, in order to do this I'll definately need to increase the dose to 3 Tablespoons a day, as recommended by TP...the most intelligent man on the planet.....Gosh I hope to be like him one day!

Yo, TP!
Does our new member, Master Par, have any input on the doseage, etc.? Give us a yell.

Twin Peak · 07-29-2003, 06:40 PM

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Originally posted by Twin Peak
3 would be good, given your deficit.

Do I speak for no reason?

oaktownboy · 07-29-2003, 06:41 PM

of course not!!!

DaMayor · 07-29-2003, 06:50 PM

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Originally posted by Twin Peak
Do I speak for no reason?

I don't know. Do you?

And quit bringing your groupies in here. (that oakguy up there)

oaktownboy · 07-29-2003, 06:52 PM

not groupie just searching for the truth

besides the fact that TP is one of the smartest guys on the forum

oaktownboy · 07-29-2003, 06:54 PM

i'm sorry by what week is it now DaMayor? first ? second?

DaMayor · 07-29-2003, 06:59 PM

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Originally posted by oaktownboy
not groupie just searching for the truth

besides the fact that TP is one of the smartest guys on the forum

I was joking buddy. You're welcome anytime. Besides, we're all searching for something. An example: I am searching for my Abs.

As far as TP being one of the smartest guys on the forum.....Yeah, maybe. But if you say he's The smartest guy on the forum, I'll have to ask you to leave.

Re: question #2.....we're beginning week 2.

Twin Peak · 07-29-2003, 07:09 PM

Groupies? I have groupies?

07-29-2003, 09:35 AM	#68
nikegurl Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: LA, CA Posts: 5,635	I'm going to have to try this as well! TP, in your honest opinion would I be better off waiting a few weeks since I'm coming off 6 weeks of no gym and not following my eating plan? By the way - I know it had to be bad for my metabolism to eat so little and drop weight so quickly but I actually like the way I look now. Much leaner. Yes, I know I lost muscle but my bodyfat is much lower so I guess I got lucky. I started back at the gym last night. Today I'm figuring out my meals to do carb cycling. Should I hold off a few weeks on the Leptigen? DaMayor, thanks for doing this and posting a great journal. I look forward to all the updates. Hope you keep making great progress!
	If you want to achieve things that others can't... You have to do things that others won't.

07-29-2003, 11:51 AM	#71
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	3 would be good, given your deficit.
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07-29-2003, 11:51 AM	#72
nikegurl Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: LA, CA Posts: 5,635	hmmmm....maybe i shouldn't wait. while i haven't "dieted" in the proper sense i have had very low calories in recent weeks. i'll let the finances decide if i order now or have to wait for next paycheck. thank you both!
	If you want to achieve things that others can't... You have to do things that others won't.

07-29-2003, 12:29 PM	#77
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	Must have missed it. Thankfully.
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07-29-2003, 06:41 PM	#81
oaktownboy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: smog and fog Posts: 4,387	of course not!!!
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07-29-2003, 11:49 AM	#70
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,144	I'm not sure what TP's response would be, but per the instructions given on the package: "Females Add 1 tablespoon....etc. etc........Do not use until under 25%BF,unless you have dieted for at least 8 weeks." My interpretation of this is "Go for it". However, I'm sure Mr. Peaks will have additional advice. As far as the journal goes......it's all good. Another quick note: While I'm not exactly looking forward to Meal 3, aka lunch, I'm not quite as void of hunger as before. It seems that the LeptiGen hits me hard for ~3 hours, then tapers off a bit. At this point, I'm taking two doses per day, but due to my recent decrease in calories, I might want to add another dose mid-day...maybe a teaspoon for starters.....Comments?

07-29-2003, 12:05 PM	#74
Pepper Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,539	evolution

07-29-2003, 12:22 PM	#75
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,144	Don't do it,man......don't do it! I'll NEVER get another entry in here if that debate gets fired up again.

07-29-2003, 06:52 PM	#83
oaktownboy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: smog and fog Posts: 4,387	not groupie just searching for the truth besides the fact that TP is one of the smartest guys on the forum
	Chuck Norris once lost his keys and couldn't remember where he put them. So he tortured himself for half an hour until he gave up their location.

07-29-2003, 06:54 PM	#84
oaktownboy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: smog and fog Posts: 4,387	i'm sorry by what week is it now DaMayor? first ? second?
	Chuck Norris once lost his keys and couldn't remember where he put them. So he tortured himself for half an hour until he gave up their location.

07-29-2003, 07:09 PM	#86
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07-29-2003, 07:11 PM	#87
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