LEPTIGEN pII...Da Journey.

Triple Threat · 07-29-2003, 07:42 PM

OK then, consider yourself stalked.

(Note to Prince - need a "stalker" smilie).

Serious question to legitimize this entry. I understand the part about Leptigen dulling the hunger pains (easily observed), but what evidence is there that the nutrient partitioning is taking place?

Twin Peak · 07-29-2003, 07:48 PM

I doubt you would see any evidence, as such, in the short term.

Things to look for though, include more fat loss than you would otherwise have given a similar diet (e.g. losing 1.75 pounds on average per week rather than 1.5).

Not losing as much muscle, or perhaps even gaining some, while on a similar diet. Fuller muscles, in general (it is also a cell volumizer).

I'll probably think of others. But to notice these effects, you'd have to have similar past experiences with which to compare.

And I was wondering where the Captain has been.

**dg806** · 07-29-2003, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DaMayor
It's a trout fisherman's term. When selecting a fly, you would want to match the species of fly most recently hatched....hence more preferred by the fish.

BINGO! When we going fishing buddy??

Twin Peak · 07-29-2003, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CaptainDeadlift
Serious question to legitimize this entry. I understand the part about Leptigen dulling the hunger pains (easily observed), but what evidence is there that the nutrient partitioning is taking place?

Actually, I just saw this response, from an unbiased individual, which answers your question fairly well:

Quote:

I just wanted to attest for the repartitioning effect of Leptigen2.

After only 6 days of use, I just noticed a drastic repartitioning of money in my bank account to money in Par's wallet for 3 more tubs of this Manna. I hope this prototype will stay in constant production for quite some time.

Seriously, if you read the reviews we were getting at Avant, you'd think they were all fake.

DaMayor · 07-30-2003, 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dg806
BINGO! When we going fishing buddy??

I'm heading up to Bryson City on or around the 15th of August. My Aunt has a place up there...at the base of her driveway is a nice little branch (about thirty feet across) with a ..get this....A Baptismal Pool carved out of the rock! I hope the trout are still getting religion when I get there! Haven't been in 15 years! Actually, I hope I can afford the N.C. Non-resident license! Those things are Outrageous!

Alright, to the stats....

Meal 1
2 whole eggs
3 egg whites
Coffee x 3cups
Multi-V
10 grams fish oil

Meal 2
EAS bar

Meal 3
~4oz. cubed steak
1/8 onion..if that.

Meal 4
4oz. cube steak
1 pc. cheese (small)

Meal 5
2 roma tomato
1 cup tuna salad
1 whole egg (boiled)

Meal 6
Protein shake
10 grams fish oil

Totals-
Calories:1843
Protein:230
Fat:83
Carbs:37

Roughly 51/40/9 % right now.

DaMayor · 07-30-2003, 02:08 PM

Quick Notes....

No significant changes today. As suggested by....what's that guy's name? Hmm. I'll remember later...I've increased the dose to 3 tablespoons. Hunger is touch and go, but never at a level comparable to my pre-LeptiGen state.

Robboe · 07-30-2003, 02:48 PM

Is this stuff on back order yet, Ste?

Twin Peak · 07-30-2003, 02:54 PM

No, still some volume left. No idea how long. Unfortunately I expect there to be a decent delay when its gone, unfortunately. I need to make sure I have stock.

Robboe · 07-30-2003, 02:58 PM

Are there any planned amendments for version 2.1?

Twin Peak · 07-30-2003, 03:00 PM

Other than flavoring, uncertain. Being discussed. Nothing major, as of now.

Robboe · 07-30-2003, 03:02 PM

You should introduce dirt flavour. That'll make me feel well hizzle-kizzle.

DaMayor · 07-30-2003, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
No, still some volume left. You're kidding, right?

No idea how long. Unfortunately I expect there to be a decent delay when its gone, unfortunately. I need to make sure I have stock.

Why the delay? I thought Par ironed out the sourcing kinks?

Twin Peak · 07-30-2003, 06:11 PM

Yes and no. Difficult to get into, and yeah, still about half left.

QueenofSquats · 07-30-2003, 09:46 PM

Hi Guys,
Is Leptigen pII, available, to order on line, delivery to Toronto, Canada, If yes, can you give me the link.

**Jodi** · 07-31-2003, 03:26 AM

www.avantlabs.com

**dg806** · 07-31-2003, 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DaMayor
I'm heading up to Bryson City on or around the 15th of August. My Aunt has a place up there...at the base of her driveway is a nice little branch (about thirty feet across) with a ..get this....A Baptismal Pool carved out of the rock! I hope the trout are still getting religion when I get there! Haven't been in 15 years! Actually, I hope I can afford the N.C. Non-resident license! Those things are Outrageous!

Bryson City is a pretty little place! Trout fishing has been great all summer since we have had so much rain! Terrestrials would be good to use then.
State Fishing: Resident - $15.00 Nonresident - $30.00
Note* you will need to get a $10.00 trout stamp in addittion to add to the cost of these license fees if you are a out of state or state resident planning to fish hatchery supported waters.

3 Day Nonresident - $15.00

1 Day Nonresident - $10.00
http://www.smokyonthefly.com/hatch.html
Check this again in August!

DaMayor · 07-31-2003, 06:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Yes and no. Difficult to get into, and yeah, still about half left.

I'm very surprised.

DaMayor · 07-31-2003, 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jodi
www.avantlabs.com

Oh Oh, and that's all you have to say huh?

DaMayor · 07-31-2003, 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dg806
Bryson City is a pretty little place! Trout fishing has been great all summer since we have had so much rain! Terrestrials would be good to use then.
State Fishing: Resident - $15.00 Nonresident - $30.00
Note* you will need to get a $10.00 trout stamp in addittion to add to the cost of these license fees if you are a out of state or state resident planning to fish hatchery supported waters.

3 Day Nonresident - $15.00

1 Day Nonresident - $10.00
http://www.smokyonthefly.com/hatch.html
Check this again in August!

That's not so painful. I'll have to dig out the old fly rod(s).

Alright.....the usual stuff..

Meal 1
2 whole eggs
3 whites
1 slice cheese
coffee x2
Multi Vitamin
10 grams fish oil

Meal 2
EAS Protein shake

Meal3
6-8oz. chicken breast
1.5 cups mixed salad greens
2 tbsp dressing (reduced everything)

Meal 4....

DaMayor · 07-31-2003, 09:29 AM

Took my a.m. dose of Lep II later than usual, about 10:15 instead of 9:00. Went to the gym for a quick leg workout, quick meaning about thirty minutes vs. the usual 45min. to 1 hour. For whatever the reason, for about twenty minutes after the w/o I was nauseated as hell. Seems to have decreased a bit after downing a protein shake.
Just for shits and giggles I jumped on the scale. I am back to 236.....right where I started. Now, this could, and probably is, a fluxuation in water. Regardless, it ain't the most motivational thing. I'll take some measurements tomorrow, maybe this will offer something more motivational.
However, just for the moment, Im Pissed Off.

Hey, I'm only human, right?

Twin Peak · 07-31-2003, 09:40 AM

You had a lot of steak and eggs yesterday, could be the salt.

DaMayor · 07-31-2003, 09:53 AM

Well, I think I know what I did.
I added some yogurt to the protein shake (meal 6) last night, since my carbs up to that point were pretty low. (about 17g) I never do this. Haven't had yogurt is ages. Anyway, I remember feeling like the Goodyear Blimp about 5 minutes after drinking the thing. So, apparently it is a combination of the carbs and salt.

I feel more tone overall, and my appearance might have changed ever so slightly (based on my wife's comments) but not that much. It'll take time.

But for now, Let me sulk.

Pepper · 07-31-2003, 10:46 AM

FedEx just delivered mine. Mixed it with Crystal Light Pink lemondade mix and about 40 oz of water. I can't taste the stuff.

Off we go....

EDIT - DaMayor, sorry for the journal clutter, thought I was in the other one.

and

NOTE TO SELF - continually stir the product into the Crystal Light. It settled to the bottom and now I taste it big time!

DaMayor · 07-31-2003, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pepper
FedEx just delivered mine. Mixed it with Crystal Light Pink lemondade mix and about 40 oz of water. I can't taste the stuff.

Off we go....

EDIT - DaMayor, sorry for the journal clutter, thought I was in the other one.

and

NOTE TO SELF - continually stir the product into the Crystal Light. It settled to the bottom and now I taste it big time!

Hey, no problem Pepper. I don't see it as clutter. In fact, I have a feeling that we might have a few things in common in regards to BF%, metabolism and caloric deficit required for weight loss anyway. So post anytime, brother.

Secondly, I have noticed that the LeptiGen II seems to be sensitive to humidity, at least to some degree. When mine first arrived, it seemed to mix very well. However, as time goes on it seems to "clump up" a bit more. I just toss it down anyway.

Twin Peak · 07-31-2003, 12:20 PM

Shake up the bottles every day or so to combat settling.

And yes, Pepper, I'd love to hear your feedback.

DaMayor · 07-31-2003, 01:12 PM

Thinking Out Loud......

Y'know, after reading some of the feedback over at Avant, as illogical as it may seem, I've been having thoughts of dropping calories again. We're holding at around 1700-1800 right now......Ah, I don't know. Maybe I'll give it another week.

Robboe · 07-31-2003, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DaMayor
I feel more tone overall, and my appearance might have changed ever so slightly (based on my wife's comments) but not that much. It'll take time.

Quit looking for changes so hard. And certainly not so soon.

Seriously, be skeptical - basically, say it's shite until it proves you wrong. So far we've established the appetite connection. Now we need to know if it'll help you drop the fat consistently over time. Which will take longer than a week.

07-29-2003, 07:48 PM	#92
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	I doubt you would see any evidence, as such, in the short term. Things to look for though, include more fat loss than you would otherwise have given a similar diet (e.g. losing 1.75 pounds on average per week rather than 1.5). Not losing as much muscle, or perhaps even gaining some, while on a similar diet. Fuller muscles, in general (it is also a cell volumizer). I'll probably think of others. But to notice these effects, you'd have to have similar past experiences with which to compare. And I was wondering where the Captain has been.
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07-30-2003, 02:48 PM	#97
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,151	Is this stuff on back order yet, Ste?
	Being held down by The Man

07-30-2003, 02:54 PM	#98
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	No, still some volume left. No idea how long. Unfortunately I expect there to be a decent delay when its gone, unfortunately. I need to make sure I have stock.
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07-30-2003, 02:58 PM	#99
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,151	Are there any planned amendments for version 2.1?
	Being held down by The Man

07-30-2003, 03:00 PM	#100
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	Other than flavoring, uncertain. Being discussed. Nothing major, as of now.
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07-29-2003, 07:42 PM	#91
Triple Threat ... Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lost Posts: 9,474 Photos: 6	OK then, consider yourself stalked. (Note to Prince - need a "stalker" smilie). Serious question to legitimize this entry. I understand the part about Leptigen dulling the hunger pains (easily observed), but what evidence is there that the nutrient partitioning is taking place?

07-30-2003, 02:08 PM	#96
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,144	Quick Notes.... No significant changes today. As suggested by....what's that guy's name? Hmm. I'll remember later...I've increased the dose to 3 tablespoons. Hunger is touch and go, but never at a level comparable to my pre-LeptiGen state.

07-30-2003, 03:02 PM	#101
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,151	You should introduce dirt flavour. That'll make me feel well hizzle-kizzle.
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07-30-2003, 06:11 PM	#103
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	Yes and no. Difficult to get into, and yeah, still about half left.
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07-30-2003, 09:46 PM	#104
QueenofSquats Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 438	Hi Guys, Is Leptigen pII, available, to order on line, delivery to Toronto, Canada, If yes, can you give me the link.

07-31-2003, 03:26 AM	#105
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07-31-2003, 09:29 AM	#110
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,144	Took my a.m. dose of Lep II later than usual, about 10:15 instead of 9:00. Went to the gym for a quick leg workout, quick meaning about thirty minutes vs. the usual 45min. to 1 hour. For whatever the reason, for about twenty minutes after the w/o I was nauseated as hell. Seems to have decreased a bit after downing a protein shake. Just for shits and giggles I jumped on the scale. I am back to 236.....right where I started. Now, this could, and probably is, a fluxuation in water. Regardless, it ain't the most motivational thing. I'll take some measurements tomorrow, maybe this will offer something more motivational. However, just for the moment, Im Pissed Off. Hey, I'm only human, right?

07-31-2003, 09:40 AM	#111
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	You had a lot of steak and eggs yesterday, could be the salt.
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07-31-2003, 09:53 AM	#112
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,144	Well, I think I know what I did. I added some yogurt to the protein shake (meal 6) last night, since my carbs up to that point were pretty low. (about 17g) I never do this. Haven't had yogurt is ages. Anyway, I remember feeling like the Goodyear Blimp about 5 minutes after drinking the thing. So, apparently it is a combination of the carbs and salt. I feel more tone overall, and my appearance might have changed ever so slightly (based on my wife's comments) but not that much. It'll take time. But for now, Let me sulk.

07-31-2003, 10:46 AM	#113
Pepper Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,539	FedEx just delivered mine. Mixed it with Crystal Light Pink lemondade mix and about 40 oz of water. I can't taste the stuff. Off we go.... EDIT - DaMayor, sorry for the journal clutter, thought I was in the other one. and NOTE TO SELF - continually stir the product into the Crystal Light. It settled to the bottom and now I taste it big time! Last edited by Pepper : 07-31-2003 at 11:00 AM.

07-31-2003, 12:20 PM	#115
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	Shake up the bottles every day or so to combat settling. And yes, Pepper, I'd love to hear your feedback.
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07-31-2003, 01:12 PM	#116
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,144	Thinking Out Loud...... Y'know, after reading some of the feedback over at Avant, as illogical as it may seem, I've been having thoughts of dropping calories again. We're holding at around 1700-1800 right now......Ah, I don't know. Maybe I'll give it another week.