LEPTIGEN pII...Da Journey.

Twin Peak · 08-05-2003, 11:02 AM

Not sure on the details, but you are quite right on some of your observations. Just throwing in some additional feedback for moral support, as this was the first piece of feedback I have seen that LG is doing anything other than suppressing hunger -- which someone asked about earlier in this journal.

I forgot you were keeping stats, and am glad you are doing so, as weight alone is not a good indicator as it is quite likely you will be gaining muscle throughout.

I have an interesting idea for a tweak for you, but I'd like you to hold steady for a full two weeks. If you think you still aren't seeing results, remind me, and we'll discuss it then.

DaMayor · 08-05-2003, 11:10 AM

We'll do it.

Speaking of tweaks, I've notice that I have inadvertently allowed my carbohydrate intake to drop below the 20% I had been aiming for. (This might explain the headaches I've been having off and on.) Question is, would manipulating my macros within the same caloric range be detrimental in any way? (i.e., changing, or fluxuating from 50/30/20 to 55/35/10, or thereabouts, while still taking in 1800kcals per day)

Twin Peak · 08-05-2003, 11:18 AM

Shouldn't be.

butterfly · 08-05-2003, 11:59 AM

TP - you gonna spend this much time in my journal when I start the Leptigen???

DaMayor · 08-05-2003, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by butterfly
TP - you gonna spend this much time in my journal when I start the Leptigen???

No, 'cause you're not a Lab Rat.

I'll bug ya, if you need buggin'.

Good luck Madame B!

butterfly · 08-05-2003, 12:13 PM

Glad someone cares, thanks DM

Twin Peak · 08-05-2003, 12:22 PM

Way too much chatter in your journal. Unlike this one.

butterfly · 08-05-2003, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Way too much chatter in your journal. Unlike this one.

and???

DaMayor · 08-05-2003, 12:27 PM

Oh, I tried my first U-Turn bar the other day.....Whoooo Hoooo!
It was chocolaty, and peanut-ty.......Yum Yum Yum Yum Yum....

Oh! and there's a sale at GNC this week!

Chatty? What are you talking about TP?

DaMayor · 08-05-2003, 04:35 PM

Alright, Notes O' the Day......

Headache came back after dose no 2. today....no way of connecting this as I said earlier...just thought I'd make a note of it.
I have noticed a slight increase in (ghost) hunger today. I've had a constant urge to snack on something...never determined what exactly. However, I think this is more of a psychological urge than anything else, because I had a tough time eating meal no.4, which was by far a substantial amount of nourishment. I suppose it is a sort of 'flashback' to pre-diet eating habits......maybe my feeble little brain is simply throwing out random behavioral impulses, shadows or imprints of previous behavior(s), because 'it' senses that something has changed. I don't know. Odd.
Along the same lines.......Last night I awoke at about 3:15am, and as I had done many times in the past, I stumbled into the kitchen, quitely removed a spoon from the drawer, grabbed the jar of peanut butter from the cabinet, removed the lid, and then stood there, staring at it....like a primate would ogle a PDA or something. I then put the lid back on the jar, returned the spoon, and stumbled back to bed.
Other than this, I need to increase my water intake dramatically, and get my fat ass back to the gym tomorrow..... Time to do a little plateau demolition.

DaMayor · 08-06-2003, 07:50 AM

Hump day......for most folks.

Meal 1
1/3 cup(dry) oatmeal
4oz. chicken breast
Suppliments
10 grams fish oil

Meal 2
Big Ass cup of coffee....Yeah, I know.

1 TBSP. LeptiGen II (taken later than usual)

Meal 3
1 cup chicken salad
1 cup salad greens

Meal 4
Post w/o, 26 grams protein
10 grams fish oil

Meal 5
2 small tomatoes
1 cup chicken salad

Meal 6
EAS bar

1 TBSP LeptiGen

Totals-
Calories:1785
Protein:212 (low)
Fat:73
Carbs.:61

Twin Peak · 08-06-2003, 08:44 AM

I have had similar "ghost" hunger as you call it. Then the smallest amount of food kills it.

**Jodi** · 08-06-2003, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DaMayor
Alright, Notes O' the Day......

Headache came back after dose no 2. today....no way of connecting this as I said earlier...just thought I'd make a note of it.
I have noticed a slight increase in (ghost) hunger today. I've had a constant urge to snack on something...never determined what exactly. However, I think this is more of a psychological urge than anything else, because I had a tough time eating meal no.4, which was by far a substantial amount of nourishment. I suppose it is a sort of 'flashback' to pre-diet eating habits......maybe my feeble little brain is simply throwing out random behavioral impulses, shadows or imprints of previous behavior(s), because 'it' senses that something has changed. I don't know. Odd.
Along the same lines.......Last night I awoke at about 3:15am, and as I had done many times in the past, I stumbled into the kitchen, quitely removed a spoon from the drawer, grabbed the jar of peanut butter from the cabinet, removed the lid, and then stood there, staring at it....like a primate would ogle a PDA or something. I then put the lid back on the jar, returned the spoon, and stumbled back to bed.
Other than this, I need to increase my water intake dramatically, and get my fat ass back to the gym tomorrow..... Time to do a little plateau demolition.

OMG - I geot the same headache. I was thinking about it being from the Leptigen but I wasn't sure. Its very faint and slight and ususally goes away in an hour. I have been making sure I take my minerals everynight because I get water headaches if I don't. I have also experienced this ghost hunger but its not bad at all.

DaMayor · 08-06-2003, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jodi
OMG - I geot the same headache. I was thinking about it being from the Leptigen but I wasn't sure. Its very faint and slight and ususally goes away in an hour. I have been making sure I take my minerals everynight because I get water headaches if I don't. I have also experienced this ghost hunger but its not bad at all.

Yeah, it is very slight. Initially I thought it was stress related, but because it occurred semi-consitently post taking the Lep II, I believe it might be connected somehow. Maybe the synephrine? Slightly elevated BP? I don't know. I might be cracking up.

TP, you're right. Usually, a single teaspoon, or a bite of something stops this hunger dead in it's tracks.

Pepper · 08-06-2003, 12:39 PM

What is "ghost hunger?"

DaMayor · 08-06-2003, 01:39 PM

Hey, if you can't keep up with the technical terms in this journal, I'm going to have to ask you to leave.

Ask Rob, maybe he can explain it to you.

Twin Peak · 08-06-2003, 01:45 PM

Hunger experienced by ghosts.

Or, just an odd sense of hunger, but you know it isn't actually there.

Robboe · 08-06-2003, 05:15 PM

Wrong on both accounts.

It's when you get hungry and want to eat a ghost.

But can i recommend the chicken sandwich?

DaMayor · 08-06-2003, 06:36 PM

I prefer the Paranormal Pâté myself.

I am ashamed to say that I missed my workout today....shame shame. I got a bit side tracked in my shop/studio working on some pieces (that might actually sell) for our local gallery.

Lean is cool, except when it involves one's wallet.

DaMayor · 08-07-2003, 08:26 AM

Today's Menu.....

Meal 1
1/2 serving oat bran
1 whole egg
3 whites
coffee x2
Supp.'s
10 grams fish oil

Meal 2
1/2 cup chicken salad
1 cup salad greens

Meal 3
20 grams protein
1/4 cup chicken salad

Meal 4
20 grams protein

Meal 5
1 lg. bell pepper
6 oz. lean ground beef (80%)
1/4 cup mozzarella
1/4 brown rice

Meal 6

I've been to busy today to eat properly......we'll square things up tomorrow.

**dg806** · 08-07-2003, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jodi
I have been making sure I take my minerals everynight because I get water headaches if I don't.

Ok...............new one on me! Care to elaborate on this for me Jodi?

Pepper · 08-07-2003, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dg806
Ok...............new one on me! Care to elaborate on this for me Jodi?

I read Jodi on this before. The amount of water she drinks flushes her body of minerals. Can get a headache from this if do not supplement with a good multi-mineral.

DaMayor · 08-07-2003, 12:37 PM

Notes, comments. observations and misc. banter.......

Roughly two and a half hours after my a.m. dose of LeptiGen, my old buddy Mr. Headache showed up. Still very slight.....seems to come and go. I believe I might get used to this after a while.
On the other hand, I have noticed a mild amount of discomfort in the old stomach. This has gone on for about two days, and is really more of an overall "queezy" feeling. Similar to the feeling one (or I) gets when he/she has missed meals, and their blood sugar drops. Sort of a "bottomed out" feeling. Now, this might be stress related.......or it might be Robboe's humor.....we may never know.

DaMayor · 08-07-2003, 12:56 PM

And a question.....
I know I'm probably way off on this, but what the hell, I'm askin' anyway.
I've been wondering about the proper doseage of Lep II....just in general. Question is, is it possible to take too much?
My concern lies mainly with those at or exceeding 20%BF.
In other words, normally, (in very general terms) the body sends any "surplus" to fat stores, correct? So, if an individual were to take too much LeptiGen, would this in turn create an overly amplified "fed signal", thereby causing the nutrients consumed (even at what would normally be considered a "deficit") to be converted to fat?
Just thinking aloud.......

**Jodi** · 08-07-2003, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pepper
I read Jodi on this before. The amount of water she drinks flushes her body of minerals. Can get a headache from this if do not supplement with a good multi-mineral.

Right on Pepper and trust me if I don't take my vitamins and minerals every day I feel it and I get the water headaches. I drink almost 2 gallons a day.

DaMayor · 08-07-2003, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jodi

Right on Pepper and trust me if I don't take my vitamins and minerals every day I feel it and I get the water headaches. I drink almost 2 gallons a day.

"Water Headaches", "Ghost Hunger".......We're coining some pretty cool phrases here in the old LeptiGen II journal!

DaMayor · 08-07-2003, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DaMayor
And a question.....
I know I'm probably way off on this, but what the hell, I'm askin' anyway.
I've been wondering about the proper doseage of Lep II....just in general. Question is, is it possible to take too much?
My concern lies mainly with those at or exceeding 20%BF.
In other words, normally, (in very general terms) the body sends any "surplus" to fat stores, correct? So, if an individual were to take too much LeptiGen, would this in turn create an overly amplified "fed signal", thereby causing the nutrients consumed (even at what would normally be considered a "deficit") to be converted to fat?

08-05-2003, 11:02 AM	#151
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,870	Not sure on the details, but you are quite right on some of your observations. Just throwing in some additional feedback for moral support, as this was the first piece of feedback I have seen that LG is doing anything other than suppressing hunger -- which someone asked about earlier in this journal. I forgot you were keeping stats, and am glad you are doing so, as weight alone is not a good indicator as it is quite likely you will be gaining muscle throughout. I have an interesting idea for a tweak for you, but I'd like you to hold steady for a full two weeks. If you think you still aren't seeing results, remind me, and we'll discuss it then.
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08-05-2003, 11:18 AM	#153
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,870	Shouldn't be.
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08-05-2003, 11:59 AM	#154
butterfly Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 11,526 Photos: 11	TP - you gonna spend this much time in my journal when I start the Leptigen???
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08-05-2003, 12:13 PM	#156
butterfly Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 11,526 Photos: 11	Glad someone cares, thanks DM
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08-05-2003, 12:22 PM	#157
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,870	Way too much chatter in your journal. Unlike this one.
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08-05-2003, 11:10 AM	#152
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,145	We'll do it. Speaking of tweaks, I've notice that I have inadvertently allowed my carbohydrate intake to drop below the 20% I had been aiming for. (This might explain the headaches I've been having off and on.) Question is, would manipulating my macros within the same caloric range be detrimental in any way? (i.e., changing, or fluxuating from 50/30/20 to 55/35/10, or thereabouts, while still taking in 1800kcals per day)

08-05-2003, 12:27 PM	#159
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,145	Oh, I tried my first U-Turn bar the other day.....Whoooo Hoooo! It was chocolaty, and peanut-ty.......Yum Yum Yum Yum Yum.... Oh! and there's a sale at GNC this week! Chatty? What are you talking about TP? Last edited by DaMayor : 08-05-2003 at 12:37 PM.

08-05-2003, 04:35 PM	#160
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,145	Alright, Notes O' the Day...... Headache came back after dose no 2. today....no way of connecting this as I said earlier...just thought I'd make a note of it. I have noticed a slight increase in (ghost) hunger today. I've had a constant urge to snack on something...never determined what exactly. However, I think this is more of a psychological urge than anything else, because I had a tough time eating meal no.4, which was by far a substantial amount of nourishment. I suppose it is a sort of 'flashback' to pre-diet eating habits......maybe my feeble little brain is simply throwing out random behavioral impulses, shadows or imprints of previous behavior(s), because 'it' senses that something has changed. I don't know. Odd. Along the same lines.......Last night I awoke at about 3:15am, and as I had done many times in the past, I stumbled into the kitchen, quitely removed a spoon from the drawer, grabbed the jar of peanut butter from the cabinet, removed the lid, and then stood there, staring at it....like a primate would ogle a PDA or something. I then put the lid back on the jar, returned the spoon, and stumbled back to bed. Other than this, I need to increase my water intake dramatically, and get my fat ass back to the gym tomorrow..... Time to do a little plateau demolition.

08-06-2003, 07:50 AM	#161
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,145	Hump day......for most folks. Meal 1 1/3 cup(dry) oatmeal 4oz. chicken breast Suppliments 10 grams fish oil Meal 2 Big Ass cup of coffee....Yeah, I know. 1 TBSP. LeptiGen II (taken later than usual) Meal 3 1 cup chicken salad 1 cup salad greens Meal 4 Post w/o, 26 grams protein 10 grams fish oil Meal 5 2 small tomatoes 1 cup chicken salad Meal 6 EAS bar 1 TBSP LeptiGen Totals- Calories:1785 Protein:212 (low) Fat:73 Carbs.:61 Last edited by DaMayor : 08-06-2003 at 06:28 PM.

08-06-2003, 08:44 AM	#162
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,870	I have had similar "ghost" hunger as you call it. Then the smallest amount of food kills it.
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08-06-2003, 12:39 PM	#165
Pepper Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,530	What is "ghost hunger?"

08-06-2003, 01:39 PM	#166
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,145	Hey, if you can't keep up with the technical terms in this journal, I'm going to have to ask you to leave. Ask Rob, maybe he can explain it to you.

08-06-2003, 01:45 PM	#167
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,870	Hunger experienced by ghosts. Or, just an odd sense of hunger, but you know it isn't actually there.
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08-06-2003, 05:15 PM	#168
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,141	Wrong on both accounts. It's when you get hungry and want to eat a ghost. But can i recommend the chicken sandwich?
	Being held down by The Man

08-06-2003, 06:36 PM	#169
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,145	I prefer the Paranormal Pâté myself. I am ashamed to say that I missed my workout today....shame shame. I got a bit side tracked in my shop/studio working on some pieces (that might actually sell) for our local gallery. Lean is cool, except when it involves one's wallet.

08-07-2003, 08:26 AM	#170
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,145	Today's Menu..... Meal 1 1/2 serving oat bran 1 whole egg 3 whites coffee x2 Supp.'s 10 grams fish oil Meal 2 1/2 cup chicken salad 1 cup salad greens Meal 3 20 grams protein 1/4 cup chicken salad Meal 4 20 grams protein Meal 5 1 lg. bell pepper 6 oz. lean ground beef (80%) 1/4 cup mozzarella 1/4 brown rice Meal 6 I've been to busy today to eat properly......we'll square things up tomorrow. Last edited by DaMayor : 08-07-2003 at 03:55 PM.

08-07-2003, 12:37 PM	#173
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,145	Notes, comments. observations and misc. banter....... Roughly two and a half hours after my a.m. dose of LeptiGen, my old buddy Mr. Headache showed up. Still very slight.....seems to come and go. I believe I might get used to this after a while. On the other hand, I have noticed a mild amount of discomfort in the old stomach. This has gone on for about two days, and is really more of an overall "queezy" feeling. Similar to the feeling one (or I) gets when he/she has missed meals, and their blood sugar drops. Sort of a "bottomed out" feeling. Now, this might be stress related.......or it might be Robboe's humor.....we may never know.

08-07-2003, 12:56 PM	#174
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,145	And a question..... I know I'm probably way off on this, but what the hell, I'm askin' anyway. I've been wondering about the proper doseage of Lep II....just in general. Question is, is it possible to take too much? My concern lies mainly with those at or exceeding 20%BF. In other words, normally, (in very general terms) the body sends any "surplus" to fat stores, correct? So, if an individual were to take too much LeptiGen, would this in turn create an overly amplified "fed signal", thereby causing the nutrients consumed (even at what would normally be considered a "deficit") to be converted to fat? Just thinking aloud.......