LEPTIGEN pII...Da Journey.

Triple Threat · 08-11-2003, 03:41 PM

From the other posts, I knew you were taking the stuff. I just didn't know at what times during the day and how often.

DaMayor · 08-11-2003, 03:41 PM

I should re-title this to the "Let's give DaMayor grief" journal....or maybe the "We think DaMayor's lack of results is due to something he's not doing right" journal....or maybe the "We think DaMayor's just f*#kin' around" journal...yeah, that's the one.

butterfly · 08-11-2003, 04:29 PM

Are you taking the Leptigen between meals? How long after meals do you wait to take it? or How long do you have to wait to eat after taking it???

DaMayor · 08-12-2003, 07:42 AM

When I remember to take my LeptiGen

....<<<NOTE:This comment is a JOKE. If any doses are missed, it will be recorded here.
I try to space my doseage as evenly between meals as possible. Usually, I allow a full (food free) 30 minutes both before and after taking a hit in order to encourage maximum absorption, assimilation, digestion......whatever you want to call it.

DaMayor · 08-12-2003, 09:22 AM

Meal 1
Skipped, although I took the usual suppliments and 5 grams of fish oil.
....went ahead and took Lep II @ 9:00

Meal 2
4 oz turkey cutlet
1/2 green beans

Meal 3...

Thus far, no headache, no stomach discomfort, mood is level. Other than an obvious decrease in appetite, I have not noticed any of the symptoms listed by others using this product, such as euphoria, improved or altered sleep patterns, marked increase in tone and/or muscle size, etc. I still think some folks are too effected by their expectations.

I think I will start to eliminate all carbs, (i.e., oats, brown rice,sweet potatoes) with the exception of veggies, yet still maintain the same caloric intake....We'll see if this has any influence.

Twin Peak · 08-12-2003, 10:09 AM

I think you are forgetting that everyone responds differently to different supplements. Too mant people are reporting those sides to believe it is psychosomatic. As many of these people are of the highly skeptical sort.

Though I do undertsand where you are coming from, as I have not noticed any of those effects at all.

You seem rather down, and inconsistent in your eating. You make comments like "when you remember to take", blah blah. Tou also seem to think everyone here is mocking you. To the contrary we all want you to do well, and no one more so than me.

So stop feeling sorry for yourself. Hell, I can't even move my right arm.

Now, drink the damn gallon of water a day, take your LG on time and eat as you know you should.

You still haven't posted this weeks results, weight etc.

When you are ready we can impliment the tweak I mentioned.

DaMayor · 08-12-2003, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
I think you are forgetting that everyone responds differently to different supplements. Too mant people are reporting those sides to believe it is psychosomatic. As many of these people are of the highly skeptical sort.

Though I do undertsand where you are coming from, as I have not noticed any of those effects at all.

You seem rather down, and inconsistent in your eating. You make comments like "when you remember to take", blah blah. Tou also seem to think everyone here is mocking you. To the contrary we all want you to do well, and no one more so than me.

So stop feeling sorry for yourself. Hell, I can't even move my right arm.

Now, drink the damn gallon of water a day, take your LG on time and eat as you know you should.

You still haven't posted this weeks results, weight etc.

When you are ready we can impliment the tweak I mentioned.

Re: sides.....I still think some people, notall , are allowing their enthusiasm to cause them to overlook other changes they might have made in diet, routine, etc. This was my point. I never said everyone was full of it.

Re: Meals.....my meals have been the same for the most part...I damn sure don't eat what "normal" people eat, even those claiming to be on a "diet". Perhaps in haste I might have recorded them inaccurately, or incompletely (as with the Lep II doseage times, which are the same every day) on occasion, but I really think this is fairly infrequent. I could be wrong.

Re:I might be slightly down, but never, that's never out. Don't underestimate me, I've been through too much in this life to allow a suppliment trial to get the best of me. However, considering I've never been much above 205lbs., and never "trapped" like this before, the terms frustrated or embarrassed might be more accurate.
I never feel sorry for myself, but I can beat myself up pretty good.

Re: Your shoulder.......Everyone is concerned about your recovery. Personally, I hate to see you lose time after your accomplishments. Injuries suck. But fortunately, we always heal....as will you.

Re: Results.....I will post them this afternoon. At risk of sounding like I'm making excuses, I just didn't feel like wading through the sea of treadmill jockies to wait on Jabba to get off of the damn scale yesterday. I'm going back today......hold your fire.

Re: Tweak.......I'm ready to go. Hope it's cheap.

Thanks for the kick in the ass....Back at'cha.

DaMayor · 08-12-2003, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DaMayor
[Previously]....

Weight 236
Chest:48.5"*
Neck:16.75"*
Waist:38.5"
Quads:25.5"*
Calves:17.25"
Arms:17.25

As of 8-12-03...
Weight 237.5lbs.
Chest:48.25
Neck:17
Waist:38.5
Quads:25.5
Calves:17.25
Arms:17.25

Yep, the key word is frustration.

I think we can now safely say that my physiological make-up is much different from most of those here at IM.

Pepper · 08-12-2003, 01:31 PM

Well, I can tell you this much. I have had good luck with Liptogen in terms of hunger suppression but I have not had any of the other unadvertised benefits except maybe the "euphoria." My weight is up also.

I am assuming that the weight increase is not related to the Liptogen. I have been lifting very heavy lately, maybe it is muscle

I can hope, can't I? My water consumption has fallen off too.

Twin Peak · 08-12-2003, 03:04 PM

Water consumption can make a difference. As well, leptigen can allow you to gain muscle though dieting.

Still, I am perplexed at DM's progress, or lack thereof.

Here is the tweak. Start it tomorrow, then every Mon and Thursday.

On these days eat 3 small meals. Keep them to 300 kcal and mostly lean protein. Keep fats and carbs to a minimum. Take 10 fish oils as well. Take 5 TBSP of LG on these days.

See what that does for you.

butterfly · 08-12-2003, 05:34 PM

How does water consumption make a difference?

KittyCat · 08-12-2003, 10:26 PM

I LOVE raspberry Ice Crystal light awesome idea. I am so looking forward to the results of your work, DM!!!!!!!!

DaMayor · 08-13-2003, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Water consumption can make a difference. As well, leptigen can allow you to gain muscle though dieting.

Still, I am perplexed at DM's progress, or lack thereof.

Here is the tweak. Start it tomorrow, then every Mon and Thursday.

On these days eat 3 small meals. Keep them to 300 kcal and mostly lean protein. Keep fats and carbs to a minimum. Take 10 fish oils as well. Take 5 TBSP of LG on these days.

See what that does for you.

TP: This sounds do-able. Especially since I am rarely hungry when taking the leptiGen. I hate the thought of breakfast lately, which is odd because I had finally reached the point where I looked forward to it each morning.
So you're recommending 10gms per meal on tweak days? And what Lep. dose are we talking about on alternate days? 2 or 3 tbsp?

Pepper: I understand where you are coming from. I believe that the slight gain I've had is due to both an increase in water and a gain in muscle. While I haven't seen an increase in size as of late, I have noticed a more tone feeling overall. Let's hope this is the case for both of us.

KittyCat: Thanks for the input, and welcome to the journal.

The tweak is on.......

DaMayor · 08-13-2003, 09:58 AM

Alright, based on what we're now aiming for, my meal plans will look like the following:

Mondays and Thurdays...

7:30 LeptiGen (Standard dose of 1 TBSP, typical)
9:30 Meal 1
11:30 LeptiGen
1:30 Meal 2
3:30 LeptiGen
5:30 Meal 3
7:30 LeptiGen
10:30 (or before sleep) LeptiGen

Tuesday,Wednesday,Friday, Saturday and Sunday...

7:00 Meal 1
8:30 LeptiGen
10:00 Meal 2
1:00 Meal 3
2:30 LeptiGen
4:00 Meal 4
7:00 Meal 5
8:30 LeptiGen

Workouts remain the same....

Monday-Chest and Back
Tuesday-Cardio/HIIT and Abs
Wednesday-Legs
Thursday-Cardio/HIIT and Abs
Friday-Bi's and Tri's

One thing to note regarding workouts.....I have had an increase in strength during the past two weeks to a month. I've added around 15-20lbs. on average to certain "lighter" exercises, (e.g., DB press) and on heavy movements/machine assisted excercises am now working out with what I could only single rep/max. a month ago. (e.g., I've added 2 plates to hammer strength decline press) My stamina is still marginal, and I would like to see some more improvement, but I think this is due to the fact that I have been going after heavier weights/taking more chances while lifting solo. While I'm nowhere as strong as I would like to be, I've done some recon. at the gym and have found that I am lifting more than the average bear......With exception of those few hardcore types who have been in the game longer than I.

DaMayor · 08-13-2003, 10:10 AM

Wednesday....

7:30 LeptiGen, Suppliments, 10 grams fish oil....coffee x2 cups w/ half and half. (80 cals,protein3,fat6,carbs3)

9:30 Meal 1
12 oz. Tuna (straight) 300 cals, 65gm protein,5 fat, 0 carbs.

11:30 LeptiGen

1:30 Meal 2
1.5 chicken breasts, 270 cals,54 protein,6 fat, 0 carbs.

3:30 LeptiGen

5:30 Meal 3
1.5 chicken breasts
1/2 cup squash

7:30 LeptiGen

10:30 LeptiGen

Any input, suggested changes are welcomed....as usual.

nikegurl · 08-13-2003, 10:51 AM

Hi DaMayer - you're doing great! i watch everyday. keep going!

Twin Peak · 08-13-2003, 10:57 AM

That tweak is exactly what I meant.

I'd not be so down, were I you, sounds like you are infact making nice gains.

Remember the title of my last journal? Steady recomposition is best.

DaMayor · 08-13-2003, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nikegurl
Hi DaMayer - you're doing great! i watch everyday. keep going!

Thanks girl! That means a lot.....more than you guys know.

nikegurl · 08-13-2003, 11:14 AM

glad i told you then. didn't want to clutter up your journal but i seriously check it out several times every day. you're doing a great job so keep going and keep the faith.

(by the way i ordered leptigen late last week so maybe i'll get mine by the end of this week.)

DaMayor · 08-13-2003, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
That tweak is exactly what I meant.

I'd not be so down, were I you, sounds like you are infact making nice gains.

Remember the title of my last journal? Steady recomposition is best.

I'm not really down, just impatient and a bit frustrated. However, much less today than yesterday. We'll survive.

Re: gains...The only psychological aspect, or source of frustration, about "gains" for a person in my position is that they are almost impossible to see due to the %BF we' re dealing with initially. So, unlike the individual who starts at, say, %10BF or less, who can slowly, but consistently, recognize an increase in muscle mass visually, we are forced to deal with something I refer to as "trading", during which one has to rely on minor changes in appearance, or a generalized sensation/feeling of an increase in 'tone' as BF levels decrease and lean mass increases. It's more about maintaining the belief and/or confidence that something is actually taking place moreso than having visible proof on a regular basis.

But we'll turn the corner sooner or later.

butterfly · 08-13-2003, 11:56 AM

I read your journal everyday, as well!!! It helps me keep on track.

and I'm right there with you regarding your statement on gains

DaMayor · 08-13-2003, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by butterfly
I read your journal everyday, as well!!! It helps me keep on track.

and I'm right there with you regarding your statement on gains

Thanks, B.

Oh, and by the way......YOU AIN'T FAT!

butterfly · 08-13-2003, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DaMayor
Thanks, B.

Oh, and by the way......YOU AIN'T FAT!

Thanks... but I've still got a layer of fat inplaces that prevent me from seeing the complete muscle...did that make sense

I feel like I keep trading fat #s for muscle #s so while I see a slight improvement in the mirror, the scale rarely moves

DaMayor · 08-13-2003, 02:46 PM

Yes, made perfect sense to me.

Scales SUCK, plain and simple.

kuso · 08-13-2003, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DaMayor
mood is level

Sure it is.

Looks like you are doing well though mate.......those increases in strength are great, especially considering the amount of cals you are taking in

DaMayor · 08-14-2003, 08:13 AM

Well, it was level at the time anyway.

The strength gains are due to two things....one being that the LeptiGen must be doing its job, covertly, and the other being that I'm not as concerned about dropping a DB on my head anymore.

Wait a minute! Did you, Kuso, just post in my journal? Holy horse puckey! *running for cover*

08-11-2003, 04:29 PM	#213
butterfly Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 11,526 Photos: 11	Are you taking the Leptigen between meals? How long after meals do you wait to take it? or How long do you have to wait to eat after taking it???
	~Ann We must teach our children to dream with their eyes open. -Harry Edwards

08-12-2003, 07:42 AM	#214
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,145	When I remember to take my LeptiGen ....<<<NOTE:This comment is a JOKE. If any doses are missed, it will be recorded here. I try to space my doseage as evenly between meals as possible. Usually, I allow a full (food free) 30 minutes both before and after taking a hit in order to encourage maximum absorption, assimilation, digestion......whatever you want to call it. Last edited by DaMayor : 08-13-2003 at 10:14 AM.

08-12-2003, 10:09 AM	#216
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,870	I think you are forgetting that everyone responds differently to different supplements. Too mant people are reporting those sides to believe it is psychosomatic. As many of these people are of the highly skeptical sort. Though I do undertsand where you are coming from, as I have not noticed any of those effects at all. You seem rather down, and inconsistent in your eating. You make comments like "when you remember to take", blah blah. Tou also seem to think everyone here is mocking you. To the contrary we all want you to do well, and no one more so than me. So stop feeling sorry for yourself. Hell, I can't even move my right arm. Now, drink the damn gallon of water a day, take your LG on time and eat as you know you should. You still haven't posted this weeks results, weight etc. When you are ready we can impliment the tweak I mentioned.
	www.DesignerSupps.com INTELLIGENT DESIGN™...lands on 1/1/2007 www.intelligentdesignmag.com

08-12-2003, 03:04 PM	#220
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,870	Water consumption can make a difference. As well, leptigen can allow you to gain muscle though dieting. Still, I am perplexed at DM's progress, or lack thereof. Here is the tweak. Start it tomorrow, then every Mon and Thursday. On these days eat 3 small meals. Keep them to 300 kcal and mostly lean protein. Keep fats and carbs to a minimum. Take 10 fish oils as well. Take 5 TBSP of LG on these days. See what that does for you.
	www.DesignerSupps.com INTELLIGENT DESIGN™...lands on 1/1/2007 www.intelligentdesignmag.com

08-12-2003, 05:34 PM	#221
butterfly Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 11,526 Photos: 11	How does water consumption make a difference?
	~Ann We must teach our children to dream with their eyes open. -Harry Edwards

08-11-2003, 03:41 PM	#211
Triple Threat ... Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lost Posts: 9,490 Photos: 6	From the other posts, I knew you were taking the stuff. I just didn't know at what times during the day and how often.

08-11-2003, 03:41 PM	#212
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,145	I should re-title this to the "Let's give DaMayor grief" journal....or maybe the "We think DaMayor's lack of results is due to something he's not doing right" journal....or maybe the "We think DaMayor's just f*#kin' around" journal...yeah, that's the one.

08-12-2003, 09:22 AM	#215
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,145	Meal 1 Skipped, although I took the usual suppliments and 5 grams of fish oil. ....went ahead and took Lep II @ 9:00 Meal 2 4 oz turkey cutlet 1/2 green beans Meal 3... Thus far, no headache, no stomach discomfort, mood is level. Other than an obvious decrease in appetite, I have not noticed any of the symptoms listed by others using this product, such as euphoria, improved or altered sleep patterns, marked increase in tone and/or muscle size, etc. I still think some folks are too effected by their expectations. I think I will start to eliminate all carbs, (i.e., oats, brown rice,sweet potatoes) with the exception of veggies, yet still maintain the same caloric intake....We'll see if this has any influence.

08-12-2003, 01:31 PM	#219
Pepper Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,530	Well, I can tell you this much. I have had good luck with Liptogen in terms of hunger suppression but I have not had any of the other unadvertised benefits except maybe the "euphoria." My weight is up also. I am assuming that the weight increase is not related to the Liptogen. I have been lifting very heavy lately, maybe it is muscle I can hope, can't I? My water consumption has fallen off too.

08-12-2003, 10:26 PM	#222
KittyCat competitor to be..... Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 12 Photos: 1	I LOVE raspberry Ice Crystal light awesome idea. I am so looking forward to the results of your work, DM!!!!!!!!
	Living to LIFT, Eating to LIVE!!!!!!!

08-13-2003, 09:58 AM	#224
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,145	Alright, based on what we're now aiming for, my meal plans will look like the following: Mondays and Thurdays... 7:30 LeptiGen (Standard dose of 1 TBSP, typical) 9:30 Meal 1 11:30 LeptiGen 1:30 Meal 2 3:30 LeptiGen 5:30 Meal 3 7:30 LeptiGen 10:30 (or before sleep) LeptiGen Tuesday,Wednesday,Friday, Saturday and Sunday... 7:00 Meal 1 8:30 LeptiGen 10:00 Meal 2 1:00 Meal 3 2:30 LeptiGen 4:00 Meal 4 7:00 Meal 5 8:30 LeptiGen Workouts remain the same.... Monday-Chest and Back Tuesday-Cardio/HIIT and Abs Wednesday-Legs Thursday-Cardio/HIIT and Abs Friday-Bi's and Tri's One thing to note regarding workouts.....I have had an increase in strength during the past two weeks to a month. I've added around 15-20lbs. on average to certain "lighter" exercises, (e.g., DB press) and on heavy movements/machine assisted excercises am now working out with what I could only single rep/max. a month ago. (e.g., I've added 2 plates to hammer strength decline press) My stamina is still marginal, and I would like to see some more improvement, but I think this is due to the fact that I have been going after heavier weights/taking more chances while lifting solo. While I'm nowhere as strong as I would like to be, I've done some recon. at the gym and have found that I am lifting more than the average bear......With exception of those few hardcore types who have been in the game longer than I.

08-13-2003, 10:10 AM	#225
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,145	Wednesday.... 7:30 LeptiGen, Suppliments, 10 grams fish oil....coffee x2 cups w/ half and half. (80 cals,protein3,fat6,carbs3) 9:30 Meal 1 12 oz. Tuna (straight) 300 cals, 65gm protein,5 fat, 0 carbs. 11:30 LeptiGen 1:30 Meal 2 1.5 chicken breasts, 270 cals,54 protein,6 fat, 0 carbs. 3:30 LeptiGen 5:30 Meal 3 1.5 chicken breasts 1/2 cup squash 7:30 LeptiGen 10:30 LeptiGen Any input, suggested changes are welcomed....as usual. Last edited by DaMayor : 08-13-2003 at 07:31 PM.

08-13-2003, 10:51 AM	#226
nikegurl Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: LA, CA Posts: 5,635	Hi DaMayer - you're doing great! i watch everyday. keep going!
	If you want to achieve things that others can't... You have to do things that others won't.

08-13-2003, 10:57 AM	#227
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,870	That tweak is exactly what I meant. I'd not be so down, were I you, sounds like you are infact making nice gains. Remember the title of my last journal? Steady recomposition is best.
	www.DesignerSupps.com INTELLIGENT DESIGN™...lands on 1/1/2007 www.intelligentdesignmag.com

08-13-2003, 11:14 AM	#229
nikegurl Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: LA, CA Posts: 5,635	glad i told you then. didn't want to clutter up your journal but i seriously check it out several times every day. you're doing a great job so keep going and keep the faith. (by the way i ordered leptigen late last week so maybe i'll get mine by the end of this week.)
	If you want to achieve things that others can't... You have to do things that others won't.

08-13-2003, 11:56 AM	#231
butterfly Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 11,526 Photos: 11	I read your journal everyday, as well!!! It helps me keep on track. and I'm right there with you regarding your statement on gains
	~Ann We must teach our children to dream with their eyes open. -Harry Edwards

08-13-2003, 02:46 PM	#234
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,145	Yes, made perfect sense to me. Scales SUCK, plain and simple.

08-14-2003, 08:13 AM	#236
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,145	Well, it was level at the time anyway. The strength gains are due to two things....one being that the LeptiGen must be doing its job, covertly, and the other being that I'm not as concerned about dropping a DB on my head anymore. Wait a minute! Did you, Kuso, just post in my journal? Holy horse puckey! running for cover