LEPTIGEN pII...Da Journey.

DaMayor · 07-22-2003, 12:01 PM

7/22/03

On Dieting..

Rather than offerring a lengthy, overly eloquent narrative of my dieting experiences, let it suffice to say that I have experimented with several different approaches, from the high-carb/low-fat diets, the Atkin's diet, SKD's, CKD's.....and not unlike many of you here, I have done so with various results, often less than optimal in many cases. However, during my casual study of diet over the past year, I learned of the role and effects of Leptin, a term discussed in great detail in a six part series, which can be found here:

http://www.avantlabs.com/magmain.php

As can information on Leptigen pII, the product we'll be tracking in this journal.

Quick Stats..

Re-measured 7/02/03

Male
Age:37
Height:5'-10"
Weight:236
BF%:Not Recorded
Chest:48.25
Neck:17
Waist:38.5
Thighs:26.5
Calves:17.25
Arms:17.25

The Journal..

The purpose of this journal is to document information pertinent to Leptigen II, and its effects whether negative or positive. We'll do our best to keep things adequately detailed, and expect input from any and/or all of you in like fashion.

Triple Threat · 07-22-2003, 12:29 PM

There's a joke here somewhere, but I just can't come up with it right now.

Does this mean your goodies have arrived?

DaMayor · 07-22-2003, 12:30 PM

The Leptigen has not yet arrived, I just thought I'd get the opening down.....little did I know I would lose it in cyberspace, and have to re-write it. My bad.

Today's meals are not exactly up to par....We'll be in much better shape tomorrow.

Meal 1
1 serving (1/4 cup) Oat Bran
2 whole eggs
coffee x3 (this isn't typical)

Meal 2
4 oz. turkey burger
1/2 cup green beans
1/2 cup yellow squash

Meal 3
4 oz. Salmon steak
1 cup (prepared) brown rice
1.5 cups salad greens
1 TBSP. Flax oil
1 TBSP. Balsamic vinegar

Meal 4
Optimum nutrition protein x3

Meal 5
Stir fry-
1/2 cup broccoli
1/2 cup bean sprouts
1/2 cup mushrooms
1/4 cup walnuts
1/2 boneless/skinless chicken (thigh)

Meal 6
EAS AdvantEdge bar

Suppliments-
Multi Vitamin (Currently OneSource for Men)
Fish Oil-5 caps/grams (180mgEPA & 120DHA per serving)

Totals-
Calories:2125
Protein:195.1
Fat:102.3
Carbs.:80.87

DaMayor · 07-23-2003, 05:53 AM

So far today....

Meal 1
1/4 cup Oat Bran
1 whole egg
4 whites
coffee x2

Meal 2
EAS AdvantEdge Bar (the last of these)
12oz. water

Meal 3
2ea. 4oz. chicken thighs (boneless/skinless)
1 cup brown rice (prepared) combined with...
1 portabello mushroom cap
1 tbsp. Olive oil (total)
(used to brown chicken, then transferred to mushrooms)
Balsamic vinegar used to deglaze the pan....sugar prolly ain't cool.
1.5 cups green beans

Meal 4 (post w/o)
Protein drink (soy, x1.5 servings) this too is temporary...out of whey.

Meal 5
8oz. chicken breast
1 cup lima beans
1.5 cups salad greens
1 serving salad dressing

Totals-
Calories:2316
Protein:265g
Fat:89.6g
Carbs.:112.6

This is roughly a ratio of 46/35/19.....a bit closer to where I need to be.

DaMayor · 07-23-2003, 09:17 AM

In brief, my diet is, for the most part, in line. I am aware that I need to tweak a few things to achieve the 50/30/20 ratio (PFC) that I was aiming for. While I realize that this may % fluxuate within a few points, I'm not close enough right now.
Items like the walnuts and protein bars are now out. (The use of these was just a matter of convenience)
Any input on suppliments is welcomed.
Oh, and yes TP, I know that my fish oil intake is probably half of that you might use..(I think I recall you mentioning something closer to 12 grams minimum?)..this is an issue of cost efficiency, and will hopefully change soon.

In reference to my workouts...I have stayed with my three day split for now. While the 'daily' routine I was considering seemed attractive initially, Rob's (valid) points, along with the fact that I need to concentrate on diet (and a few other unrelated things) led me to stay where I am for now. If I make any changes, it will be the addition of/rotation between a few new exercises/movements for each muscle group to contain monotony. In addition, I'm going to add some HIIT on off days.

Twin Peak · 07-23-2003, 09:35 AM

I confirmed last night that all orders have been shipped. While it started last friday, so were shipped as late as yesterday, so it should be in your hands soon.

Also, you should take before pictures, even if you choose not to post them.

DaMayor · 07-23-2003, 11:31 AM

Glad to hear it....

I took some before pics back in Feb./March.... or thereabouts.....we'll hold on posting them until we have some "after" pics. (Don't want to scare everybody away.)

Then again, that was a while back....maybe we'll re-do the pics.

Diet note: I've noticed a slight increase in hunger between meals since I've gone back to a consistent, 6 meal plan. This is new.

DaMayor · 07-24-2003, 06:43 AM

Meal 1
1 cup oat bran
1 whole egg
4 whites
coffeex3

Meal 2
8oz. ground turkey
1/2 cup green beans
12oz. water
Multi Vitamin
5g Fish Oil
1 tbsp. LeptiGen pII Dose No.1

Meal 3
6oz. chicken
1/2 cup brown rice
1.5 caups salad greens
dressing

Meal 4
Protein shake (soy...almost gone)
1 tbsp. flax oil

Meal 5
8oz. chicken
1 cup broc/cauliflower
1 cup spinach
dressing

Dose #2 to be taken at 9:30...

Totals-
Calories:2347
Protein:206
Fat:122.7
Carbs:74.12

DaMayor · 07-24-2003, 09:21 AM

It has arrived!

Cool.

Twin Peak · 07-24-2003, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DaMayor
It has arrived!

Cool.

Cool. Mine hasn't yet.

Did you see my thread about the chat tonight? You may want to attend.

Note also that some lables got messed up, and all dosage should be in Tablespoons, not Teaspoons.

DaMayor · 07-24-2003, 09:28 AM

Now, we need to discuss doseage.

Per the package:

<6%BF=5 Tablespoons/day
6-9%BF=4 teaspoons/day
9-12%BF=3 tsp/day
12-15%BF=2
15-20%BF=1
>20%BF=0

I have not had my BF checked, but I assume (yes TP, I know, I know) that I am in the 15-20% range. How much room for error do we have here? Result of miscalculation?
Secondly, why do the recommended doseages seem lower than I recall? I thought I read that this should be administered in several doses throughout the day? Maybe my recollection is wrong?

Twin Peak · 07-24-2003, 09:37 AM

My guess is, based on your high and weight you are probably in the 25% range. That said, these are general guidelines. As you are having trouble losing, I'd suggest you start with 1 tablespoon twice per day, between meals and about 10 hours apart from each other.

I also HIGHLY recommend that you get 20 grams of fish oil per day. Drop other stuff if you have too. Among the many benefits of EFAs in general, fish oil will increase leptin sensitivity. I am pretty sure you are Leptin resistant. The two together should work wonders for you.

And come to the chat.

DaMayor · 07-24-2003, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Cool. Mine hasn't yet.

Did you see my thread about the chat tonight? You may want to attend.

Note also that some lables got messed up, and all dosage should be in Tablespoons, not Teaspoons.

Didn't see it...I'll go check it out.

Tablespoons? Noted.

DaMayor · 07-24-2003, 09:54 AM

Okay, so we'll go with 1TBSP. between meals 1 and 2 (~10:30-11:00am)
and meals 5 and 6, or after meal #5 if something comes up (~7:00 or later)

We're currently between meals 2 and 3....should I go ahead and hit it, or wait until later this evening?

Twin Peak · 07-24-2003, 09:58 AM

Fire it up.

We already have reports on it affecting hunger dramatically.

DaMayor · 07-24-2003, 10:16 AM

Alright. Here we go....Dose number 1.

High Noon. Container opened...after a brief shake to assure that everything was combined evenly. 1 even Tablespoon mixed fairly well with 8oz. water. Went down nicely, no gritty texture as noted with the previous LeptiGen product. Has a slight hint of acidity, comparable to a diluted citrus drink. No aftertaste.

Currently, I'm a bit jacked, so I don't see any sense in describing the buzz in my head.....unless you guys know something I don't.

TP, any side effects you want to mention to the 'viewers'? I don't recall anything of any dire consequence mentioned at Avant, just thought you're knowledge/memory of the site would be better than mine.

Secondly, do you know of any intervention problems for those who are using other suppliments, such as PH's, or nicotine, etc.?
(Not that I'm using any...just thought I'd throw it out there.)

Triple Threat · 07-24-2003, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DaMayor

Currently, I'm a bit jacked, so I don't see any sense in describing the buzz in my head

Are you attributing the buzz to the Leptigen or is this a pre-existing condition?

DaMayor · 07-24-2003, 10:40 AM

No, the voices are a pre-existing condition....

No, I was just anxious to see how this product works. I'm calm now. In fact, I'll be making a concerted effort not to let (typical, expected) psychological aspects of this test come in to play. Just looking for solid info.....Of course, this is not to say that I am skeptical in any way. Well, within reason.

Twin Peak · 07-24-2003, 11:04 AM

Please, be skeptical.

The only known side effect is death.

Since the whole point of Leptigen to is to help bring the body back to normal levels, there are no concerns with other ingredients.

DaMayor · 07-24-2003, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Please, be skeptical.

The only known side effect is death.

Since the whole point of Leptigen to is to help bring the body back to normal levels, there are no concerns with other ingredients.

Death eh? That's encouraging.

Then again, obesity shares the same side effect.

Triple Threat · 07-24-2003, 12:59 PM

You shouldn't let the possibility of death get in the way of science, DM. Just think of all the IMers who are counting on you. Out of many, you were chosen. Don't let us down.

Twin Peak · 07-24-2003, 01:29 PM

Yeah, if you die, that would suck.

DaMayor · 07-24-2003, 04:20 PM

Would sort'a defeat the purpose, eh?

Oh, okay.....I won't die.

Twin Peak · 07-24-2003, 07:25 PM

Thanks.

DaMayor · 07-25-2003, 06:39 AM

Hey, it's the least I could do...

Meal 1
1 cup Oat bran
1 whole egg
2 egg whites
coffee x2
Multi Vitamin
10g fish oil (I'm going to split the doseage)

1 Tablespoon Lep II

Meal 2
4oz. steak (lean)
1 cup green beans
1 cup coffee (see following post)

Meal 3
4oz. steak
1 cup Green beans

Meal 4 (post w/o)
1 serving protein shake
1/2 cup brown rice

Meal 5
1 Large Bell Pepper (stuffed with..)
8oz. ground turkey
1 serving Mozarella cheese
tomato 'salad' (3 small roma tomato,1 TBSP Olive oil, Parsley...)

LeptiGen II scheduled for 9:00pm

Just a few observations.....
Had a slight headache last night and this morning. It has since eased up. I suspect it is sinusitis/rhinitis related, but will keep an eye on it.
I did notice a slight decrease in "hunger" this morning. While I've never been a huge fan of breakfast, I have been able to eat in the a.m. with little or no trouble for the past few months. However, this am the task was a bit more laborious than usual.
Other than these two minor changes, I feel perfectly normal....when I'm not looking at the moon.

DaMayor · 07-25-2003, 09:21 AM

Alright. A slight change since this morning. I've become somewhat lethergic since taking dose #3. However, this could be due to several unrelated factors. It's hot, humid, and overcast today...this, combined with the slight bought of sinusitis could be the cause. ...Cup of coffee might do the trick.

While I want to note any and all changes, I'm trying to avoid the creation of any psychosomatic symptoms due to an overly attentive evaluation of this product. So, if you guys think I'm going overboard, let me know.

Twin Peak · 07-25-2003, 09:28 AM

FYI, I haven't noted any lethargy, and have not seen any other reports. No ingredients should do this.

07-22-2003, 12:01 PM	#1
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,144	LEPTIGEN pII...The Revolution 7/22/03 On Dieting.. Rather than offerring a lengthy, overly eloquent narrative of my dieting experiences, let it suffice to say that I have experimented with several different approaches, from the high-carb/low-fat diets, the Atkin's diet, SKD's, CKD's.....and not unlike many of you here, I have done so with various results, often less than optimal in many cases. However, during my casual study of diet over the past year, I learned of the role and effects of Leptin, a term discussed in great detail in a six part series, which can be found here: http://www.avantlabs.com/magmain.php As can information on Leptigen pII, the product we'll be tracking in this journal. Quick Stats.. Re-measured 7/02/03 Male Age:37 Height:5'-10" Weight:236 BF%:Not Recorded Chest:48.25 Neck:17 Waist:38.5 Thighs:26.5 Calves:17.25 Arms:17.25 The Journal.. The purpose of this journal is to document information pertinent to Leptigen II, and its effects whether negative or positive. We'll do our best to keep things adequately detailed, and expect input from any and/or all of you in like fashion. Last edited by DaMayor : 08-05-2003 at 03:37 PM.

07-23-2003, 05:53 AM	#4
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,144	So far today.... Meal 1 1/4 cup Oat Bran 1 whole egg 4 whites coffee x2 Meal 2 EAS AdvantEdge Bar (the last of these) 12oz. water Meal 3 2ea. 4oz. chicken thighs (boneless/skinless) 1 cup brown rice (prepared) combined with... 1 portabello mushroom cap 1 tbsp. Olive oil (total) (used to brown chicken, then transferred to mushrooms) Balsamic vinegar used to deglaze the pan....sugar prolly ain't cool. 1.5 cups green beans Meal 4 (post w/o) Protein drink (soy, x1.5 servings) this too is temporary...out of whey. Meal 5 8oz. chicken breast 1 cup lima beans 1.5 cups salad greens 1 serving salad dressing Totals- Calories:2316 Protein:265g Fat:89.6g Carbs.:112.6 This is roughly a ratio of 46/35/19.....a bit closer to where I need to be. Last edited by DaMayor : 07-23-2003 at 06:29 PM.

07-23-2003, 09:35 AM	#6
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	I confirmed last night that all orders have been shipped. While it started last friday, so were shipped as late as yesterday, so it should be in your hands soon. Also, you should take before pictures, even if you choose not to post them.
	www.DesignerSupps.com INTELLIGENT DESIGN™...lands on 1/1/2007 www.intelligentdesignmag.com

07-23-2003, 11:31 AM	#7
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,144	Glad to hear it.... I took some before pics back in Feb./March.... or thereabouts.....we'll hold on posting them until we have some "after" pics. (Don't want to scare everybody away.) Then again, that was a while back....maybe we'll re-do the pics. Diet note: I've noticed a slight increase in hunger between meals since I've gone back to a consistent, 6 meal plan. This is new. Last edited by DaMayor : 07-23-2003 at 01:07 PM.

07-24-2003, 06:43 AM	#8
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,144	Meal 1 1 cup oat bran 1 whole egg 4 whites coffeex3 Meal 2 8oz. ground turkey 1/2 cup green beans 12oz. water Multi Vitamin 5g Fish Oil 1 tbsp. LeptiGen pII Dose No.1 Meal 3 6oz. chicken 1/2 cup brown rice 1.5 caups salad greens dressing Meal 4 Protein shake (soy...almost gone) 1 tbsp. flax oil Meal 5 8oz. chicken 1 cup broc/cauliflower 1 cup spinach dressing Dose #2 to be taken at 9:30... Totals- Calories:2347 Protein:206 Fat:122.7 Carbs:74.12 Last edited by DaMayor : 07-24-2003 at 06:00 PM.

07-22-2003, 12:29 PM	#2
Triple Threat ... Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lost Posts: 9,474 Photos: 6	There's a joke here somewhere, but I just can't come up with it right now. Does this mean your goodies have arrived?

07-22-2003, 12:30 PM	#3
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,144	The Leptigen has not yet arrived, I just thought I'd get the opening down.....little did I know I would lose it in cyberspace, and have to re-write it. My bad. Today's meals are not exactly up to par....We'll be in much better shape tomorrow. Meal 1 1 serving (1/4 cup) Oat Bran 2 whole eggs coffee x3 (this isn't typical) Meal 2 4 oz. turkey burger 1/2 cup green beans 1/2 cup yellow squash Meal 3 4 oz. Salmon steak 1 cup (prepared) brown rice 1.5 cups salad greens 1 TBSP. Flax oil 1 TBSP. Balsamic vinegar Meal 4 Optimum nutrition protein x3 Meal 5 Stir fry- 1/2 cup broccoli 1/2 cup bean sprouts 1/2 cup mushrooms 1/4 cup walnuts 1/2 boneless/skinless chicken (thigh) Meal 6 EAS AdvantEdge bar Suppliments- Multi Vitamin (Currently OneSource for Men) Fish Oil-5 caps/grams (180mgEPA & 120DHA per serving) Totals- Calories:2125 Protein:195.1 Fat:102.3 Carbs.:80.87 Last edited by DaMayor : 07-22-2003 at 06:50 PM.

07-23-2003, 09:17 AM	#5
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,144	In brief, my diet is, for the most part, in line. I am aware that I need to tweak a few things to achieve the 50/30/20 ratio (PFC) that I was aiming for. While I realize that this may % fluxuate within a few points, I'm not close enough right now. Items like the walnuts and protein bars are now out. (The use of these was just a matter of convenience) Any input on suppliments is welcomed. Oh, and yes TP, I know that my fish oil intake is probably half of that you might use..(I think I recall you mentioning something closer to 12 grams minimum?)..this is an issue of cost efficiency, and will hopefully change soon. In reference to my workouts...I have stayed with my three day split for now. While the 'daily' routine I was considering seemed attractive initially, Rob's (valid) points, along with the fact that I need to concentrate on diet (and a few other unrelated things) led me to stay where I am for now. If I make any changes, it will be the addition of/rotation between a few new exercises/movements for each muscle group to contain monotony. In addition, I'm going to add some HIIT on off days.

07-24-2003, 09:21 AM	#9
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,144	It has arrived! Cool.

07-24-2003, 09:28 AM	#11
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,144	Now, we need to discuss doseage. Per the package: <6%BF=5 Tablespoons/day 6-9%BF=4 teaspoons/day 9-12%BF=3 tsp/day 12-15%BF=2 15-20%BF=1 >20%BF=0 I have not had my BF checked, but I assume (yes TP, I know, I know) that I am in the 15-20% range. How much room for error do we have here? Result of miscalculation? Secondly, why do the recommended doseages seem lower than I recall? I thought I read that this should be administered in several doses throughout the day? Maybe my recollection is wrong?

07-24-2003, 09:37 AM	#12
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	My guess is, based on your high and weight you are probably in the 25% range. That said, these are general guidelines. As you are having trouble losing, I'd suggest you start with 1 tablespoon twice per day, between meals and about 10 hours apart from each other. I also HIGHLY recommend that you get 20 grams of fish oil per day. Drop other stuff if you have too. Among the many benefits of EFAs in general, fish oil will increase leptin sensitivity. I am pretty sure you are Leptin resistant. The two together should work wonders for you. And come to the chat.
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07-24-2003, 09:54 AM	#14
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,144	Okay, so we'll go with 1TBSP. between meals 1 and 2 (~10:30-11:00am) and meals 5 and 6, or after meal #5 if something comes up (~7:00 or later) We're currently between meals 2 and 3....should I go ahead and hit it, or wait until later this evening?

07-24-2003, 09:58 AM	#15
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	Fire it up. We already have reports on it affecting hunger dramatically.
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07-24-2003, 10:16 AM	#16
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,144	Alright. Here we go....Dose number 1. High Noon. Container opened...after a brief shake to assure that everything was combined evenly. 1 even Tablespoon mixed fairly well with 8oz. water. Went down nicely, no gritty texture as noted with the previous LeptiGen product. Has a slight hint of acidity, comparable to a diluted citrus drink. No aftertaste. Currently, I'm a bit jacked, so I don't see any sense in describing the buzz in my head.....unless you guys know something I don't. TP, any side effects you want to mention to the 'viewers'? I don't recall anything of any dire consequence mentioned at Avant, just thought you're knowledge/memory of the site would be better than mine. Secondly, do you know of any intervention problems for those who are using other suppliments, such as PH's, or nicotine, etc.? (Not that I'm using any...just thought I'd throw it out there.)

07-24-2003, 10:40 AM	#18
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,144	No, the voices are a pre-existing condition.... No, I was just anxious to see how this product works. I'm calm now. In fact, I'll be making a concerted effort not to let (typical, expected) psychological aspects of this test come in to play. Just looking for solid info.....Of course, this is not to say that I am skeptical in any way. Well, within reason.

07-24-2003, 11:04 AM	#19
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	Please, be skeptical. The only known side effect is death. Since the whole point of Leptigen to is to help bring the body back to normal levels, there are no concerns with other ingredients.
	www.DesignerSupps.com INTELLIGENT DESIGN™...lands on 1/1/2007 www.intelligentdesignmag.com

07-24-2003, 12:59 PM	#21
Triple Threat ... Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lost Posts: 9,474 Photos: 6	You shouldn't let the possibility of death get in the way of science, DM. Just think of all the IMers who are counting on you. Out of many, you were chosen. Don't let us down.

07-24-2003, 01:29 PM	#22
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	Yeah, if you die, that would suck.
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07-24-2003, 04:20 PM	#23
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,144	Would sort'a defeat the purpose, eh? Oh, okay.....I won't die.

07-24-2003, 07:25 PM	#24
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	Thanks.
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07-25-2003, 06:39 AM	#25
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,144	Hey, it's the least I could do... Meal 1 1 cup Oat bran 1 whole egg 2 egg whites coffee x2 Multi Vitamin 10g fish oil (I'm going to split the doseage) 1 Tablespoon Lep II Meal 2 4oz. steak (lean) 1 cup green beans 1 cup coffee (see following post) Meal 3 4oz. steak 1 cup Green beans Meal 4 (post w/o) 1 serving protein shake 1/2 cup brown rice Meal 5 1 Large Bell Pepper (stuffed with..) 8oz. ground turkey 1 serving Mozarella cheese tomato 'salad' (3 small roma tomato,1 TBSP Olive oil, Parsley...) LeptiGen II scheduled for 9:00pm Just a few observations..... Had a slight headache last night and this morning. It has since eased up. I suspect it is sinusitis/rhinitis related, but will keep an eye on it. I did notice a slight decrease in "hunger" this morning. While I've never been a huge fan of breakfast, I have been able to eat in the a.m. with little or no trouble for the past few months. However, this am the task was a bit more laborious than usual. Other than these two minor changes, I feel perfectly normal....when I'm not looking at the moon. Last edited by DaMayor : 07-25-2003 at 02:31 PM.

07-25-2003, 09:21 AM	#26
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,144	Alright. A slight change since this morning. I've become somewhat lethergic since taking dose #3. However, this could be due to several unrelated factors. It's hot, humid, and overcast today...this, combined with the slight bought of sinusitis could be the cause. ...Cup of coffee might do the trick. While I want to note any and all changes, I'm trying to avoid the creation of any psychosomatic symptoms due to an overly attentive evaluation of this product. So, if you guys think I'm going overboard, let me know.

07-25-2003, 09:28 AM	#27
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	FYI, I haven't noted any lethargy, and have not seen any other reports. No ingredients should do this.