The Cut of No Return

J'Bo · 07-28-2003, 09:46 AM

i remember those count downs and then you look at your meals and think "whats this for...a bird"

Twin Peak · 07-28-2003, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jodi

Really no veggies. He told me 3 C. Veggies a day no matter what day.

I only helped J'Bo with the final 10 days before the comp. I do think she did a version of my carb cycling approach that DVLMN helped her with. He has been carb cycling for a while now, since we first discussed this perhaps a year.

Also, remember that my version of the cycling has adapted and changed over the years (the basic plan). I have been doing this since 96, and have learned much along the way. Also understand that it is a flexible approach, that muct be tailored to ones needs, geno and phenotype, and lifestyle.

**Jodi** · 07-28-2003, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Leslie
Lots of journals you have to follow

Most girls stick with the French on the nails. It looks good with a tan and very natural, just my opionion. Also, less distraction for the judges.

Thanks Stacy!

Les, I got 3 journals

That's what I figured about the nails but I thought I'd check

Thanks!

Freeman · 07-28-2003, 09:51 AM

Jodi, just curious, what is Leptigen? what does it do and how does it work? I also noticed something you were talking about called "ab-solved". could you enlighten my dumb ass?

**Jodi** · 07-28-2003, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
I only helped J'Bo with the final 10 days before the comp. I do think she did a version of my carb cycling approach that DVLMN helped her with. He has been carb cycling for a while now, since we first discussed this perhaps a year.

Also, remember that my version of the cycling has adapted and changed over the years (the basic plan). I have been doing this since 96, and have learned much along the way. Also understand that it is a flexible approach, that muct be tailored to ones needs, geno and phenotype, and lifestyle.

I remember reading your plan over a year ago too and I think you only had 1 T. Flax in it for EFA's per day. Of course its going to change as you go.

Well, I just have to sit back, relax and remember that I trust ya!

Freeman, go check out www.avantlabs.com

You'll get all the info you could ever ask for there.

Twin Peak · 07-28-2003, 10:01 AM

Leptigen -- a metabolic optimizer. Will keep leptin and related hormones elevated even when dieting. It is also an effective nutrient partitionor. By sending the Fed signal to your body, effects will be hunger supression, increased metaboilism, more effective dieting, calories being sent dispropotionately high to the muscle, rather than adipose, and much more.

DaMayor is testing this now, so check out his journal. Much more info is at avantlabs.com.

Ab-Solved is a localized fat mobilizer that targets stress/cortisol, and works exceptionally well in the abdominal area for those who tend to store fat there.

Freeman · 07-28-2003, 10:05 AM

Hmm, I'll check out the site. Thanks Jodi and TP! This might be something I could use. I am dieting but my abs have always been a bitch to get lookin' good. Thanks again!!!!

Leslie · 07-28-2003, 10:05 AM

This is also a good thread on Leptigen over at Avant. It discusses the products as well as the positive side effects, one being decreased hunger. I am on a high carb day and I cannot belive I really don't feel up to eatting it all thanks to Leptigen2

http://forum.avantlabs.com/index.php...30&#entry64949

Freeman · 07-28-2003, 10:11 AM

Awesome. Thanks Leslie!

Robboe · 07-28-2003, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by P-funk
Is DP going to have is foot in on some of your diet "tweaks" and pre contest prep or are you doing this completly on your own??

They'll have to be called "Twpeaks" now.

**Jodi** · 07-28-2003, 07:52 PM

Meals - No Carb Day 7/28/03

Meal 1:
25G Protein
3 Fish Oil

Meal 2:
3 oz. Chicken
1 C. Green Beans
3 Fish Oil

Meal 3:
3.25 oz. Albacore
3 C. Romaine
2 T. ACV
3 Fish Oil

Meal 4:
2.5 Egg Yolks
5 Egg Whites
1 C. Green Beans

Meal 5:
25G Protein
3 Fish Oil

Meal 6:
4 oz. Cod
3 Fish Oil

Protein: 151
Carbs: 24 (including veggies)
Fat: 35

**Jodi** · 07-28-2003, 07:59 PM

Chest Workout 7/28/03

5 Sets Low Incline DB Press: 30x12, 35x12, 40x12, 45x10 + 35x5, 40x10 + 30x7
3 Sets Incline BB Press: 65x12, 75x10, 85x7
4 Sets Swiss Ball 1 1/2 Flys: 20x12, 20x10, 20x10, 20x10
3 Sets Standing Cable Press: 30x12, 40x12, 40x12
3 Sets Incline Hammer Strength: 35x12, 35x10, 35x8
3 Sets External Rotations: 5x12, 5x12, 5x12

Claudette · 07-29-2003, 12:29 AM

Good luck Jodi! I just have a few questions for ya.
What is T ACV? Also, what are your current stats, or did I miss that somewhere?
-Tracie

J'Bo · 07-29-2003, 09:27 AM

yes we want stats....stat

**Jodi** · 07-29-2003, 09:29 AM

I will have stats for you guys this weekend.

2 T. ACV = 2 Tablespoons Apple Cider Vinegar

nikegurl · 07-29-2003, 10:26 AM

I'm dying to know....how many grams of carbs are you shooting for at each carb meal on your high carb days. I know my totals will have to be higher but figure I can aim for a number somewhere between you and Leslie. (ohmygawd it's gonna be hard to eat that much!)

**Jodi** · 07-29-2003, 10:38 AM

I'm not shooting for any number. I know I'm all weirded out too. I'm going to eat my protein and piece of fruit and fish oil and then eat the carbs til I don't want no more.

I know I'm disoriented about this too but thats because we have always been so use to to exact numbers.

Just try it and see what happens. Thats what I'm gonna do tomorrow.

nikegurl · 07-29-2003, 10:41 AM

I'm sucha spaz. lol. But you knew that!

Isn't today your high carb day? (no high low?)

**Jodi** · 07-29-2003, 10:42 AM

Per TP Orders, today is a no carb and tomorrow is high.

nikegurl · 07-29-2003, 10:52 AM

are you always going to do 2 no carb days in a row or is that just to get you started?

if tomorrow is high is Thursday low and then Fri none again?

(thanks for putting up with me!)

**Jodi** · 07-29-2003, 10:55 AM

TP has me on a different rotation. He started me 3 no carb days in a row. Then I will follow this:

High
No
Low
No

Repeat

Triple Threat · 07-29-2003, 11:13 AM

Are the various high/low/no carb days correlated to your workout days?

**Jodi** · 07-29-2003, 11:14 AM

No, I just follow that rotation.

Claudette · 07-29-2003, 11:29 AM

Did I miss something somehwere or something? Why the carb rotation? Just curious...

J'Bo · 07-29-2003, 11:32 AM

its called carb cycling and works really well for some people. keeps your body geussing and gives you enough fuel to have great workouts.

**Jodi** · 07-29-2003, 07:28 PM

Meals 7/29/03 Last No Carb day in a Row

Meal 1:
25G Protein
3 Fish Oil

Meal 2:
3 oz. Chicken
1 C. Broccoli
1 tsp. Mustard
3 Fish Oil

Meal 3:
3.25 oz. Albacore
3 C. Romaine
2 T. Red Wine Vinegar
3 Fish Oil

Meal 4:
4 oz. Cod
3 Fish Oil

Meal 5:
4 oz. Ground Sirloin
1 C. Green Beans
Onion Powder/Garlic Powder/Ground Pepper

Meal 6:
25G Protein
1 tsp. Instant Decaf
3 Fish Oil

Protein: 150
Carbs: 17
Fat: 26

**Jodi** · 07-29-2003, 07:39 PM

Since I've been trying to reduce the muscle in my legs I've only been working them out ever 2 weeks. Well because I decided to compete I don't think that will do anymore and I need to do something. I don't want to do a heavy workout on my legs because I don't want them bigger and last week I worked them.

Also, because I'm not allowed any cardio right now I figured I would make up a very very very light leg and ab day and make it a very fast paced workout. I figured I could do this every other week that I don't do my full heavier leg workout.

TP - If this is not ok let me know but please please please please. I loved it and it was still a workout. I sweated bullets and even hit failure a few times

Legs & Abs 7/29/03

Each set was continuous and done 3 times

Set 1
3 Sets Inner Leg Squat: 20x20, 25x20, 30x20
3 Sets High Step Ups, 20 reps per leg: BWx20, 5x20, 10x20
3 Sets Swiss Ball Crunch: BWx30, 10x30, 20x30
3 Sets Side Bends: 25x30, 25x30, 25x30

Set 2
4 Sets BB Squats: BBx25, BBx25, BBx25, BBx25
4 Sets BB Good Mornings: BBx25, BBx25, BBx25
4 Sets Decline Crunch: BWx25, BWx25, BWx25, BWx25
4 Sets Bench Tucks: BWx25, BWx25, BWx25, BWx25

Set 3
3 Sets Abductor Machine: 70x20, 70x20, 70x20
3 Sets Adductor Machine: 70x20, 70x20, 70x20
3 Sets Reverse Crunch: BWx30, BWx30, BWx30
3 sets Bicycle Tucks: BWx30, BWx30, BWx30

Twin Peak · 07-29-2003, 07:43 PM

Fine.

nikegurl · 07-29-2003, 07:56 PM

i gotta make sure i phrase this properly b/c i'm truly asking a question and not phrasing an opinion as if it's a question. k?

should your fat intake be quite as low as it was on your 2 no carb days? (i haven't a clue) i know about the fish oil caps but thought if your protein sources didn't have some fat in at least 2 of the meals you'd want to add some flax or pb somewhere?

i'm starting tomorrow and thought since only 1 of my meals (eggs) will have fat in it i'd add some safflower mayo to the tuna (maybe only 1/2 Tbs for 6 g fat?) in addition to the fish oil caps.

but i won't if it's better not to.

thanks!

**Jodi** · 07-29-2003, 07:57 PM

07-28-2003, 09:46 AM	#31
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	i remember those count downs and then you look at your meals and think "whats this for...a bird"
	....and thats my $.02

07-28-2003, 09:51 AM	#34
Freeman Bearded Attacker Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 2,648 Photos: 8	Jodi, just curious, what is Leptigen? what does it do and how does it work? I also noticed something you were talking about called "ab-solved". could you enlighten my dumb ass?
	www.kingsburymusic.net

07-28-2003, 10:01 AM	#36
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,870	Leptigen -- a metabolic optimizer. Will keep leptin and related hormones elevated even when dieting. It is also an effective nutrient partitionor. By sending the Fed signal to your body, effects will be hunger supression, increased metaboilism, more effective dieting, calories being sent dispropotionately high to the muscle, rather than adipose, and much more. DaMayor is testing this now, so check out his journal. Much more info is at avantlabs.com. Ab-Solved is a localized fat mobilizer that targets stress/cortisol, and works exceptionally well in the abdominal area for those who tend to store fat there.
	www.DesignerSupps.com INTELLIGENT DESIGN™...lands on 1/1/2007 www.intelligentdesignmag.com

07-28-2003, 10:05 AM	#37
Freeman Bearded Attacker Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 2,648 Photos: 8	Hmm, I'll check out the site. Thanks Jodi and TP! This might be something I could use. I am dieting but my abs have always been a bitch to get lookin' good. Thanks again!!!!
	www.kingsburymusic.net

07-28-2003, 10:05 AM	#38
Leslie DOWNSIZING Elite Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jersey Girl Posts: 2,911 Photos: 11	This is also a good thread on Leptigen over at Avant. It discusses the products as well as the positive side effects, one being decreased hunger. I am on a high carb day and I cannot belive I really don't feel up to eatting it all thanks to Leptigen2 http://forum.avantlabs.com/index.php...30&#entry64949
	Leslie My Journal My Sponsor:www.AvantLabs.com

07-28-2003, 10:11 AM	#39
Freeman Bearded Attacker Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 2,648 Photos: 8	Awesome. Thanks Leslie!
	www.kingsburymusic.net

07-28-2003, 07:52 PM	#41
Jodi Moderator Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,259 Photos: 1	Meals - No Carb Day 7/28/03 Meal 1: 25G Protein 3 Fish Oil Meal 2: 3 oz. Chicken 1 C. Green Beans 3 Fish Oil Meal 3: 3.25 oz. Albacore 3 C. Romaine 2 T. ACV 3 Fish Oil Meal 4: 2.5 Egg Yolks 5 Egg Whites 1 C. Green Beans Meal 5: 25G Protein 3 Fish Oil Meal 6: 4 oz. Cod 3 Fish Oil Protein: 151 Carbs: 24 (including veggies) Fat: 35
	Essence EFA

07-28-2003, 07:59 PM	#42
Jodi Moderator Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,259 Photos: 1	Chest Workout 7/28/03 5 Sets Low Incline DB Press: 30x12, 35x12, 40x12, 45x10 + 35x5, 40x10 + 30x7 3 Sets Incline BB Press: 65x12, 75x10, 85x7 4 Sets Swiss Ball 1 1/2 Flys: 20x12, 20x10, 20x10, 20x10 3 Sets Standing Cable Press: 30x12, 40x12, 40x12 3 Sets Incline Hammer Strength: 35x12, 35x10, 35x8 3 Sets External Rotations: 5x12, 5x12, 5x12
	Essence EFA

07-29-2003, 12:29 AM	#43
Claudette Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Diego Posts: 128	Good luck Jodi! I just have a few questions for ya. What is T ACV? Also, what are your current stats, or did I miss that somewhere? -Tracie

07-29-2003, 09:27 AM	#44
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	yes we want stats....stat
	....and thats my $.02

07-29-2003, 09:29 AM	#45
Jodi Moderator Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,259 Photos: 1	I will have stats for you guys this weekend. 2 T. ACV = 2 Tablespoons Apple Cider Vinegar
	Essence EFA

07-29-2003, 10:26 AM	#46
nikegurl Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: LA, CA Posts: 5,635	I'm dying to know....how many grams of carbs are you shooting for at each carb meal on your high carb days. I know my totals will have to be higher but figure I can aim for a number somewhere between you and Leslie. (ohmygawd it's gonna be hard to eat that much!)
	If you want to achieve things that others can't... You have to do things that others won't.

07-29-2003, 10:38 AM	#47
Jodi Moderator Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,259 Photos: 1	I'm not shooting for any number. I know I'm all weirded out too. I'm going to eat my protein and piece of fruit and fish oil and then eat the carbs til I don't want no more. I know I'm disoriented about this too but thats because we have always been so use to to exact numbers. Just try it and see what happens. Thats what I'm gonna do tomorrow.
	Essence EFA

07-29-2003, 10:41 AM	#48
nikegurl Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: LA, CA Posts: 5,635	I'm sucha spaz. lol. But you knew that! Isn't today your high carb day? (no high low?)
	If you want to achieve things that others can't... You have to do things that others won't.

07-29-2003, 10:42 AM	#49
Jodi Moderator Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,259 Photos: 1	Per TP Orders, today is a no carb and tomorrow is high.
	Essence EFA

07-29-2003, 10:52 AM	#50
nikegurl Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: LA, CA Posts: 5,635	are you always going to do 2 no carb days in a row or is that just to get you started? if tomorrow is high is Thursday low and then Fri none again? (thanks for putting up with me!)
	If you want to achieve things that others can't... You have to do things that others won't.

07-29-2003, 10:55 AM	#51
Jodi Moderator Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,259 Photos: 1	TP has me on a different rotation. He started me 3 no carb days in a row. Then I will follow this: High No Low No Repeat
	Essence EFA

07-29-2003, 11:13 AM	#52
Triple Threat ... Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lost Posts: 9,490 Photos: 6	Are the various high/low/no carb days correlated to your workout days?

07-29-2003, 11:14 AM	#53
Jodi Moderator Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,259 Photos: 1	No, I just follow that rotation.
	Essence EFA

07-29-2003, 11:29 AM	#54
Claudette Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Diego Posts: 128	Did I miss something somehwere or something? Why the carb rotation? Just curious...

07-29-2003, 11:32 AM	#55
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	its called carb cycling and works really well for some people. keeps your body geussing and gives you enough fuel to have great workouts.
	....and thats my $.02

07-29-2003, 07:28 PM	#56
Jodi Moderator Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,259 Photos: 1	Meals 7/29/03 Last No Carb day in a Row Meal 1: 25G Protein 3 Fish Oil Meal 2: 3 oz. Chicken 1 C. Broccoli 1 tsp. Mustard 3 Fish Oil Meal 3: 3.25 oz. Albacore 3 C. Romaine 2 T. Red Wine Vinegar 3 Fish Oil Meal 4: 4 oz. Cod 3 Fish Oil Meal 5: 4 oz. Ground Sirloin 1 C. Green Beans Onion Powder/Garlic Powder/Ground Pepper Meal 6: 25G Protein 1 tsp. Instant Decaf 3 Fish Oil Protein: 150 Carbs: 17 Fat: 26
	Essence EFA

07-29-2003, 07:39 PM	#57
Jodi Moderator Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,259 Photos: 1	Since I've been trying to reduce the muscle in my legs I've only been working them out ever 2 weeks. Well because I decided to compete I don't think that will do anymore and I need to do something. I don't want to do a heavy workout on my legs because I don't want them bigger and last week I worked them. Also, because I'm not allowed any cardio right now I figured I would make up a very very very light leg and ab day and make it a very fast paced workout. I figured I could do this every other week that I don't do my full heavier leg workout. TP - If this is not ok let me know but please please please please. I loved it and it was still a workout. I sweated bullets and even hit failure a few times Legs & Abs 7/29/03 Each set was continuous and done 3 times Set 1 3 Sets Inner Leg Squat: 20x20, 25x20, 30x20 3 Sets High Step Ups, 20 reps per leg: BWx20, 5x20, 10x20 3 Sets Swiss Ball Crunch: BWx30, 10x30, 20x30 3 Sets Side Bends: 25x30, 25x30, 25x30 Set 2 4 Sets BB Squats: BBx25, BBx25, BBx25, BBx25 4 Sets BB Good Mornings: BBx25, BBx25, BBx25 4 Sets Decline Crunch: BWx25, BWx25, BWx25, BWx25 4 Sets Bench Tucks: BWx25, BWx25, BWx25, BWx25 Set 3 3 Sets Abductor Machine: 70x20, 70x20, 70x20 3 Sets Adductor Machine: 70x20, 70x20, 70x20 3 Sets Reverse Crunch: BWx30, BWx30, BWx30 3 sets Bicycle Tucks: BWx30, BWx30, BWx30
	Essence EFA

07-29-2003, 07:43 PM	#58
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,870	Fine.
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07-29-2003, 07:56 PM	#59
nikegurl Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: LA, CA Posts: 5,635	i gotta make sure i phrase this properly b/c i'm truly asking a question and not phrasing an opinion as if it's a question. k? should your fat intake be quite as low as it was on your 2 no carb days? (i haven't a clue) i know about the fish oil caps but thought if your protein sources didn't have some fat in at least 2 of the meals you'd want to add some flax or pb somewhere? i'm starting tomorrow and thought since only 1 of my meals (eggs) will have fat in it i'd add some safflower mayo to the tuna (maybe only 1/2 Tbs for 6 g fat?) in addition to the fish oil caps. but i won't if it's better not to. thanks!
	If you want to achieve things that others can't... You have to do things that others won't.

07-29-2003, 07:57 PM	#60
Jodi Moderator Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,259 Photos: 1