Judges Comments!

Twin Peak · 09-26-2003, 12:09 PM

I have my own goals. If they match what is being looked for then fine. If they don't would it make sense? Probably not.

As to the other question, mostly I was just being a smart-ass. But I am also nice and atrophied from the shoulder injury. So I should be able to gain muscle quickly. ON the other hand, I would be able to train seriously until probably the very end of the contest, so its probably a wash.

**Jodi** · 09-26-2003, 12:12 PM

TP - I think you would make a great judge if you don't want to compete.

J'Bo · 09-26-2003, 12:14 PM

it isnt really about winning tp its about attaining your goals and being supported by the people here.

Twin Peak · 09-26-2003, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by J'Bo
it isnt really about winning tp its about attaining your goals and being supported by the people here.

Yeah, okay, this is a little too serious for me.

butterfly · 09-26-2003, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Yeah, okay, this is a little too serious for me.

Too serious??? Did you actually utter those words

j/k

I for one think you'd be an ideal judge!!!

Twin Peak · 09-26-2003, 12:56 PM

I am never serious. I am only perceived that way.

J'Bo · 09-26-2003, 02:12 PM

well some people want serious results...to me serious is someone who is looking to win...i am serious about my next comp.

Twin Peak · 09-26-2003, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by J'Bo
well some people want serious results...to me serious is someone who is looking to win...i am serious about my next comp.

But you said it wasn't about winning.

butterfly · 09-26-2003, 02:51 PM

J'Bo · 09-26-2003, 04:51 PM

i said this IM COMP isnt about winning...that is what we were talking about wasnt it?

firestorm · 09-29-2003, 04:37 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Twin Peak
Joining, but how the hell am I supposed to know if I am interested, if I dont know the criteria?
********************************

To answer your questions: http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/s...0163#post410163

Twin Peak · 09-29-2003, 07:21 AM

Link said "page not found."

firestorm · 09-29-2003, 06:57 PM

bastard!!! I just saw that too!! ok hang on a sec ok here ya go:

Online Competition anyone interested
Hey guys and gals. I haven't been training on a daily basis since last March since the BIG Snow storm when I blew my shoulder out. I've lost a good amount of muscle and gained some unwanted bodyweight(fat). I'm feeling much better and just completed my 1st full week of training and feel like the body is holding up. (knocking on wood). For a little motivation and fun, I'm looking for some members who would like to partake in an online complition.
Not so much who looks the best after a certain period but who made the best progress. Now this means the winner could be a 300 pounder who looses 60 or so pounds or a skinny 190 pound weakling who packs on some muscle.
I will start with some rules and everyone can have a say on how this goes and we can come up with a set of final rules.

1. You MUST not use any Illegal substances eg: anabolic steroids, Growth Hormones, or perscription diuretic substances or anything of that nature without a doctors perscription, anything I may have missed that you cant get off the shelves of your local suppliment store, Pharmacy, Super market. etc. This rule is not to exclude anyone directly but only to make it fair for contestants that are working within a short time frame. If Anabolic users wish to have a similar contest I would be MORE THEN HAPPY to set it up for you and even judge it for you. "I'm an equal opportunity contest provider"

2. Must post a "recent" picture with a piece of cardboard or paper in the photo with the date on it or holding something odd that you wouldn't normally hold for a photograph. We can come up with that later if anyone wants to do this.

3. Half way through the contest you post another pic showing your progress. this will give everyone who feels they are lagging MORE motivation to work harder to beat you.

3. Judges will be 2 men, 2 women from the site that are not in the contest. We'll have to wait and see who if anyone enters this and then start asking around for volunteers. Moderators would be my 1st pick for judges.

4. WOMEN OF COURSE CAN ENTER!!! Again this is not a bodybuilding contest but a best progress contest.

5. No WHORING in the FINAL CONTEST THREAD. Contest talk during the contest is all that is welcomed. Non competitors are welcomed to comment on photos etc but please don't turn it into a whore thread. Don't fill it up with bullshit one liners.

6. All starting and final result photos have to be submitted by a certain agreed to start and ending date to be included in the contest or be judged in the final vote.

ALL RULES including mine above have to be agreed upon by the CONTESTANTS.

OK NOW,, WHO IS IN?

BUSTINOUT · 09-30-2003, 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak

But I am also nice and atrophied from the shoulder injury. So I should be able to gain muscle quickly.

I bet I'll kick your butt all over the net in the atrophy department.

My bodyweight has only changed a few pounds in the last year, yet my bodyfat has nearly doubled...beat that. lol

Twin Peak · 09-30-2003, 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BUSTINOUT
I bet I'll kick your butt all over the net in the atrophy department.

My bodyweight has only changed a few pounds in the last year, yet my bodyfat has nearly doubled...beat that. lol

Nope, you win. Actually I have done a remarkable job of fighting atrophy, but still it has happened.

Twin Peak · 09-30-2003, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by firestorm
1. You MUST be NATURAL. No juice heads please. That would not fair to all of us that do it the "hard" way. (and we know who you guys are from the Anabolic thread) Start a similar contest in there if you wish.

I take great offense to this. Personally, I have never used an illegal AAS. That aside, I find this "rule" to be quite offensive. Why?

1) It is morally degrating. Who are you to pass moral judgement on someone for using AAS?

2) It professes great ignorance by believing that "natural" is such a black and white concept.

3) It professes great ignorance by assuming that one who is "natural" has worked any harder than one who is not.

If you don't want people entering the contest if they are using a certain substance, say so. There is not ****ing reason to take this tone or attitude which only serves to perpetuate ignorance and the believe of the masses regarding the moral turpitude of AAS.

BUSTINOUT · 09-30-2003, 02:44 PM

LOL. TP, I don't think FS meant anything personal by his post. We go back aways and have butted heads on this topic too. I've never got the impression he is passing moral judgement. Now MORON judgement?...well that's another story. lol

I agree though that there is a big grey area when it comes to the "legal" supps too. I mean crap, if someone's goals are to cut, they don't have to use clen"legit kind" or t3 to do it. There are tons of legal means to do this, but with similar results.

But, don't take offense to ST, he's a Yank for crying out louds. OOPS, then again so are you. lol

Twin Peak · 09-30-2003, 02:48 PM

BO if someone isn't intent on passing moral judgment and isn't intent on perpetuating ignorance (and you are probably right regardin FS, I think he has admitted to AAS use in the past) then he should be more careful in choosing his words.

I know people here who have told me they are uncomfortable admitting their use on this board (as opposed to others) because of posts just like these.

BUSTINOUT · 09-30-2003, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
BO if someone isn't intent on passing moral judgment and isn't intent on perpetuating ignorance (and you are probably right regardin FS, I think he has admitted to AAS use in the past) then he should be more careful in choosing his words.

TP, actually I don't think he knows to many words to choose from.

Twin Peak · 09-30-2003, 03:02 PM

LMAO.

J'Bo · 09-30-2003, 08:57 PM

Lets just call it a Natural Competition like their are in the Bodybuilding world...you think that those are judgmental as well?

Twin Peak · 10-01-2003, 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by J'Bo
Lets just call it a Natural Competition like their are in the Bodybuilding world...you think that those are judgmental as well?

No. Since they aren't littered with insults as the post above was. Again, it was the word choice, not the result, with which I take issue.

That aside, I do think the term "natural" to be a silly term in todays world. What is natural in ones mind, is not in another.

BabsieGirl · 10-01-2003, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
No. Since they aren't littered with insults as the post above was. Again, it was the word choice, not the result, with which I take issue.

That aside, I do think the term "natural" to be a silly term in todays world. What is natural in ones mind, is not in another.

I second that one

J'Bo · 10-01-2003, 05:54 PM

i agree with you that natural just isnt what it is meant to be.
i also agree that fire may not use the proper words all the time, who does?
i do know fire very well and know that he did not mean to offend anyone or be rude at all.
he comes back online this weekend and will tell you himself that he was not intending to hurt anyones feelings etc.
frustration brings out traits that are out of character some times.

**Jodi** · 10-02-2003, 07:03 AM

J'Bo -

Who do we have for judges now?

hardasnails1973 · 10-02-2003, 10:15 AM

Ironmagazines "unenhanced " contest is better title ..that leaves me out

butterfly · 10-02-2003, 10:23 AM

I don't think I'd want to "compete" against you anyway HANS... I've seen how you guys go from out-of-shape-off-season to 4% BF in no time at all

BTW, how did you do in your comp?

firestorm · 10-04-2003, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
BO if someone isn't intent on passing moral judgment and isn't intent on perpetuating ignorance (and you are

09-26-2003, 12:09 PM	#31
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	I have my own goals. If they match what is being looked for then fine. If they don't would it make sense? Probably not. As to the other question, mostly I was just being a smart-ass. But I am also nice and atrophied from the shoulder injury. So I should be able to gain muscle quickly. ON the other hand, I would be able to train seriously until probably the very end of the contest, so its probably a wash.
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09-26-2003, 12:12 PM	#32
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,265 Photos: 1	TP - I think you would make a great judge if you don't want to compete.
	Essence EFA

09-26-2003, 12:14 PM	#33
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	it isnt really about winning tp its about attaining your goals and being supported by the people here.
	....and thats my $.02

09-26-2003, 12:56 PM	#36
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	I am never serious. I am only perceived that way.
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09-26-2003, 02:12 PM	#37
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	well some people want serious results...to me serious is someone who is looking to win...i am serious about my next comp.
	....and thats my $.02

09-26-2003, 02:51 PM	#39
butterfly Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 11,526 Photos: 11	ugh
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09-26-2003, 04:51 PM	#40
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	i said this IM COMP isnt about winning...that is what we were talking about wasnt it?
	....and thats my $.02

09-29-2003, 04:37 AM	#41
firestorm P/RR/S Advisor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,765 Photos: 3	[quote]Originally posted by Twin Peak Joining, but how the hell am I supposed to know if I am interested, if I dont know the criteria? ******************************** To answer your questions: http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/s...0163#post410163

09-29-2003, 07:21 AM	#42
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	Link said "page not found."
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09-29-2003, 06:57 PM	#43
firestorm P/RR/S Advisor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,765 Photos: 3	bastard!!! I just saw that too!! ok hang on a sec ok here ya go: Online Competition anyone interested Hey guys and gals. I haven't been training on a daily basis since last March since the BIG Snow storm when I blew my shoulder out. I've lost a good amount of muscle and gained some unwanted bodyweight(fat). I'm feeling much better and just completed my 1st full week of training and feel like the body is holding up. (knocking on wood). For a little motivation and fun, I'm looking for some members who would like to partake in an online complition. Not so much who looks the best after a certain period but who made the best progress. Now this means the winner could be a 300 pounder who looses 60 or so pounds or a skinny 190 pound weakling who packs on some muscle. I will start with some rules and everyone can have a say on how this goes and we can come up with a set of final rules. 1. You MUST not use any Illegal substances eg: anabolic steroids, Growth Hormones, or perscription diuretic substances or anything of that nature without a doctors perscription, anything I may have missed that you cant get off the shelves of your local suppliment store, Pharmacy, Super market. etc. This rule is not to exclude anyone directly but only to make it fair for contestants that are working within a short time frame. If Anabolic users wish to have a similar contest I would be MORE THEN HAPPY to set it up for you and even judge it for you. "I'm an equal opportunity contest provider" 2. Must post a "recent" picture with a piece of cardboard or paper in the photo with the date on it or holding something odd that you wouldn't normally hold for a photograph. We can come up with that later if anyone wants to do this. 3. Half way through the contest you post another pic showing your progress. this will give everyone who feels they are lagging MORE motivation to work harder to beat you. 3. Judges will be 2 men, 2 women from the site that are not in the contest. We'll have to wait and see who if anyone enters this and then start asking around for volunteers. Moderators would be my 1st pick for judges. 4. WOMEN OF COURSE CAN ENTER!!! Again this is not a bodybuilding contest but a best progress contest. 5. No WHORING in the FINAL CONTEST THREAD. Contest talk during the contest is all that is welcomed. Non competitors are welcomed to comment on photos etc but please don't turn it into a whore thread. Don't fill it up with bullshit one liners. 6. All starting and final result photos have to be submitted by a certain agreed to start and ending date to be included in the contest or be judged in the final vote. ALL RULES including mine above have to be agreed upon by the CONTESTANTS. OK NOW,, WHO IS IN? Last edited by firestorm : 10-04-2003 at 07:18 PM.

09-30-2003, 02:44 PM	#47
BUSTINOUT Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 2,415	LOL. TP, I don't think FS meant anything personal by his post. We go back aways and have butted heads on this topic too. I've never got the impression he is passing moral judgement. Now MORON judgement?...well that's another story. lol I agree though that there is a big grey area when it comes to the "legal" supps too. I mean crap, if someone's goals are to cut, they don't have to use clen"legit kind" or t3 to do it. There are tons of legal means to do this, but with similar results. But, don't take offense to ST, he's a Yank for crying out louds. OOPS, then again so are you. lol

09-30-2003, 02:48 PM	#48
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	BO if someone isn't intent on passing moral judgment and isn't intent on perpetuating ignorance (and you are probably right regardin FS, I think he has admitted to AAS use in the past) then he should be more careful in choosing his words. I know people here who have told me they are uncomfortable admitting their use on this board (as opposed to others) because of posts just like these.
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09-30-2003, 03:02 PM	#50
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	LMAO.
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09-30-2003, 08:57 PM	#51
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	Lets just call it a Natural Competition like their are in the Bodybuilding world...you think that those are judgmental as well?
	....and thats my $.02

10-01-2003, 05:54 PM	#54
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	i agree with you that natural just isnt what it is meant to be. i also agree that fire may not use the proper words all the time, who does? i do know fire very well and know that he did not mean to offend anyone or be rude at all. he comes back online this weekend and will tell you himself that he was not intending to hurt anyones feelings etc. frustration brings out traits that are out of character some times.
	....and thats my $.02

10-02-2003, 07:03 AM	#55
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,265 Photos: 1	J'Bo - Who do we have for judges now?
	Essence EFA

10-02-2003, 10:15 AM	#56
hardasnails1973 www.Bodyfactoryllc.com Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Pa Posts: 1,740	Ironmagazines "unenhanced " contest is better title ..that leaves me out
	EDIT: You need to place a link on your website to IronMagazine.com if you want to put a link in your sig.

10-02-2003, 10:23 AM	#57
butterfly Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 11,526 Photos: 11	I don't think I'd want to "compete" against you anyway HANS... I've seen how you guys go from out-of-shape-off-season to 4% BF in no time at all BTW, how did you do in your comp?
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