Judges Comments!

**gopro** · 10-06-2003, 10:00 AM

All "natural" contests should be renamed OTC contests and all natural bodybuilders should be renamed OTC bodybuilders.

Twin Peak · 10-06-2003, 10:03 AM

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Originally posted by gopro
All "natural" contests should be renamed OTC contests and all natural bodybuilders should be renamed OTC bodybuilders.

Agreed.

ponyboy · 10-06-2003, 11:46 AM

That would make for some funny acronyms...

I compete in the IOTCFBB!

firestorm · 10-06-2003, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Yeah, that is perfectly fine.

You know, I might actually be bothered by this post, if it wasn't written by a felon.

TP, your a lawyer correct? If that's the case could you please define "felon"? I haven't used steroids since 1989ish and quit using them prior to it becoming a Federal Law. (one reason I quit). Lastly, isn't there a 7 year statute of Limitations which would apply to me? If so, that wouldn't make me a felon would it?

Also several people in here have PM'ed me telling me how TP thinks he is a know it all. And whatever he says is rule and everyone else including GoPro is wrong. The suppliment company your affilated with is superior to ALL others and VPX for example is shit compared to yours. It's perceived that you have the God like syndrome by some people in here and I'm beginning to believe it myself just from your original posts in this thread alone. You act like your so much better then others here and "above" taking part in a contest like this. I'm not trying to start shit with you but seriously, who do you think you are? The words I stated above ARE NOT MINE but from others here. I wouldn't know about any suppliment slamming if it wasn't PM'ed to me.

TP seriously I want to end this now. I don't have any enemies here and I want to keep it that way. Apparently I pissed you off with the way I wrote the original rule which I "changed" so as not to offend anyone. Your point that it may be offensive was taken but your way of going about telling me was out of line also. Your comment about who the f**** I think I was... or whatever it was pissed me off too. Your calling me "ignorant" also hit a nerve. You blew the whole thing out of proportion. You said: "I take great offense to this personnally" and yet you state you've never taken steroids! Why would you take it "Personally" if you've never taken steroids? How were you personally offended if that's the case; the rule wouldn't apply to you? Actually I really don't care because like I said as far as this is concerned I want this BS to stop. Fight with someone else. You made your point and I made mine.

Pepper · 10-06-2003, 07:01 PM

Not to jump into to this, but I think you put the "personally" with the wrong sentence. He didn't say he was offended personally, he said he took offense and that he personally did not use.....

again, not trying to take sides here, just was reading back through the posts.

firestorm · 10-06-2003, 07:08 PM

Pepper your totally correct. I just reread his post again. "I take great offense to this...." is what he said. Anyway, the point still remains the same why would he be offended if the post has nothing to do with him? He was just being confrontational and the post had nothing to do with him. This thread was made for the "Judges comments" not him to start shit in. Anyway thanks for pointing out my error.

TP my appologies for the "incorrect quote".

Twin Peak · 10-07-2003, 02:50 PM

Wow, Firestorm, now you have gone and truly hurt my feelings with all of that. I'd respond at length, but my ego and sense of self-worth is totally bruised.

Instead, I will be the man that you could not, and refrain from further comment.

J'Bo · 10-07-2003, 07:31 PM

Ignorant: lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified (which Fire is not)

Ego: the self especially as contrasted with another self or the world.

**gopro** · 10-07-2003, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by firestorm
TP, your a lawyer correct? If that's the case could you please define "felon"? I haven't used steroids since 1989ish and quit using them prior to it becoming a Federal Law. (one reason I quit). Lastly, isn't there a 7 year statute of Limitations which would apply to me? If so, that wouldn't make me a felon would it?

Also several people in here have PM'ed me telling me how TP thinks he is a know it all. And whatever he says is rule and everyone else including GoPro is wrong. The suppliment company your affilated with is superior to ALL others and VPX for example is shit compared to yours. It's perceived that you have the God like syndrome by some people in here and I'm beginning to believe it myself just from your original posts in this thread alone. You act like your so much better then others here and "above" taking part in a contest like this. I'm not trying to start shit with you but seriously, who do you think you are? The words I stated above ARE NOT MINE but from others here. I wouldn't know about any suppliment slamming if it wasn't PM'ed to me.

TP seriously I want to end this now. I don't have any enemies here and I want to keep it that way. Apparently I pissed you off with the way I wrote the original rule which I "changed" so as not to offend anyone. Your point that it may be offensive was taken but your way of going about telling me was out of line also. Your comment about who the f**** I think I was... or whatever it was pissed me off too. Your calling me "ignorant" also hit a nerve. You blew the whole thing out of proportion. You said: "I take great offense to this personnally" and yet you state you've never taken steroids! Why would you take it "Personally" if you've never taken steroids? How were you personally offended if that's the case; the rule wouldn't apply to you? Actually I really don't care because like I said as far as this is concerned I want this BS to stop. Fight with someone else. You made your point and I made mine.

Ok, I read all of this and all I saw is two words: Gopro and Wrong! Now c'mon buddy, you know you can't put those two words in the same sentence....LOL

gr81 · 10-07-2003, 08:14 PM

wow TP, way to act like a woman and read WAY into what he was saying until you find something wrong with it for gods sake. I know fire well and have talked to him many times about being on and I know that he shows no disrespect to people running shit, all he was doing was making rules for HIS contest by the way, stating that no juice heads can compete in this friendly little contest, before you start trippin about shit, find a more worthy cause to fight for please instead of driving good people away from the board. I think it was pretty clear what he was trying to say, and I think that it was pretty clear that he meant no disrespect to anyone. By the way, if you have never used than you have no f'n right to try and act like you are offended for the people that may be on, get a clue pal.
keep that head up fire, we love ya bro

Twin Peak · 10-09-2003, 07:46 AM

Ah, the cavalry.

I would be remiss if I didn't point out the obvious and unnecessary insult to the female gender. Yet another ignorant statement.

Aside from that, it is interesting how you and your loved one, need to resort to personal attacks. You'll notice I have refrained and only attacked a statement.

Aside from that, and from the one item I feel the need to address (as it is the heart of this issue), I will refrain from engaging in the worthless mudslinging.

The only point worth addressing is both of your comments to the effect of me having no right, as a non-AAS user, to defend this issue.

Bullshit.

The point is, which you each have failed to see, that AAS are illegal for one reason -- the stigma and moral turpitude that society has placed on steroid use. Which is the same reason ephedrine will soon be banned.

The general public is beyond ignorant as to the use, effect, and abuse of steroids. This is perpetuated by the media, and often people who should know better (like the two of you). Scare tactics and the like only serve to shackle our rights, which is becoming an ever increasing problem in this industry, and our society.

There is a huge difference between use and abuse, and the original statement with which I take issue, blurs this.

Each of you may very well not be ingorant on these issues, but the original post seeths with ingonrance, and so does condoning it.

(An for the record, you can never make the comment "so-and-so isn't ignorant.". We are all ignorant of many things; at least I have yet to meet someone who is all knowing. There are countless topics to which I display great ignorance, and so I choose not to discuss those topics, unless I am inquiring to learn. So yes, if you see me speak on a topic, I am pretty damn sure I know what I am talking about, or else I'd qualify my comment.)

BabsieGirl · 10-09-2003, 09:06 AM

Wow! Come on you two and everyone else. This is crazy. Lets just get a long. TP and firestorm should be the ones intruding each others comments to which, they don't need the added comments from other people.

TP has voiced his opinion and so has FS. Both are offended. I don't think all the postings in the world is going to solve the bitterness between the two of you. Besides, isn't this thread suppose to be where the judges comments are for the IM competitors?

TP -- I understand where you're coming from and FS, I understand where you're coming from. One of the two is going to have to be the bigger person and let this blow over. It's not worth it. I like both of you. From what I do know, that is. What I'm seeing right now, is making me think twice. Com'on fella's. Shake on it and let it go.

Twin Peak · 10-09-2003, 09:15 AM

I am done, and have been. I honestly have no issues with FS, as a person. Hell, I barely know him.

It is the peanut gallery that would like to keep this going, and I refuse to, except to continue to address what is the fundamental issue at hand (though few can see it).

I also have no qualms with anyone forming any opinion about me based on what I have said here, or elsewhere.

ponyboy · 10-09-2003, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Ah, the cavalry.

I would be remiss if I didn't point out the obvious and unnecessary insult to the female gender. Yet another ignorant statement.

Aside from that, it is interesting how you and your loved one, need to resort to personal attacks. You'll notice I have refrained and only attacked a statement.

Aside from that, and from the one item I feel the need to address (as it is the heart of this issue), I will refrain from engaging in the worthless mudslinging.

The only point worth addressing is both of your comments to the effect of me having no right, as a non-AAS user, to defend this issue.

Bullshit.

The point is, which you each have failed to see, that AAS are illegal for one reason -- the stigma and moral turpitude that society has placed on steroid use. Which is the same reason ephedrine will soon be banned.

The general public is beyond ignorant as to the use, effect, and abuse of steroids. This is perpetuated by the media, and often people who should know better (like the two of you). Scare tactics and the like only serve to shackle our rights, which is becoming an ever increasing problem in this industry, and our society.

There is a huge difference between use and abuse, and the original statement with which I take issue, blurs this.

Each of you may very well not be ingorant on these issues, but the original post seeths with ingonrance, and so does condoning it.

(An for the record, you can never make the comment "so-and-so isn't ignorant.". We are all ignorant of many things; at least I have yet to meet someone who is all knowing. There are countless topics to which I display great ignorance, and so I choose not to discuss those topics, unless I am inquiring to learn. So yes, if you see me speak on a topic, I am pretty damn sure I know what I am talking about, or else I'd qualify my comment.)

You are most definitely a lawyer.

Quote:

Instead, I will be the man that you could not, and refrain from further comment.

Couldn't you have just done this again?

Twin Peak · 10-09-2003, 09:30 AM

Probably should have yes.

BabsieGirl · 10-09-2003, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
I am done, and have been. I honestly have no issues with FS, as a person. Hell, I barely know him.

It is the peanut gallery that would like to keep this going, and I refuse to, except to continue to address what is the fundamental issue at hand (though few can see it).

I also have no qualms with anyone forming any opinion about me based on what I have said here, or elsewhere.

You're a good man TP. I will not form an opinion about you or FS based on what anyone has said/stated in here or elsewhere. I form my opinions based on how people treat me, themselves and others.

Anyway......Chow.

**Jodi** · 10-09-2003, 09:52 AM

I understand FS that you were clearly trying to make a point that you would prefer that people that use illegal steroids to refrain from entering the contest. You do no think it would be "fair" match up because someone that does not use illegal steroids gains muscle mass much slower. However, your wording IMO did lack thought and concern of others. You could have definately been a bit more selective and you could have held back the negativity against those that make a choice to use AS.

I believe TP was simply trying to point this out because it was offensive. At IM we don't promote illegal use of steroids but don't condone it either. We don't judge people on their use and try to provide advice so that if they choose to use AAS they at least have some knowlegdge and people to turn to with questions.

Now as far as those that chose to throw in those little jabs at TP..........I feel you are way out of line and it was completely uncalled for. Keep your 2 cents to yourself especially if it involves placing character on another whom you do not know.

J'Bo · 10-09-2003, 11:03 AM

The reason i make comments is because i stand up for friends when someone calls them down.

You are both (TP and FS) intelligent men who sometimes do things out of character when life isnt going your way. Like everyone else.

IMHO society and supplement companies (some) are the ones that portray steroids as being "ok" to use and those that think they dont cause any damage are simply brainwashed by media and the bodybulding/fitness industry. The hormonal system is the most complex and unknown system in the body and thus i believe that their is no reason to play with it.

I understand that some people feel it is necessary to take steroids when they rae competing at a high level of bodybulding or fitness cause its just reality that you have to...why people that dont compete do it is beyond me. I dont have to understand it, i just personally think that people do it because they dont have enough confidence or patience to achieve the results they want Naturally (meaning without ANY supplements even OTC) and yes i too am guilty of not being patient.

firestorm · 10-09-2003, 11:33 AM

I appreciated those that came to my defense. Your true friends. Thank you for that concern. I hate to agree with Jodi on this and Babs but they are right. I don't need anyone to fight my battles for me and Jodi and Babs I only said I hate agreeing with you because I'm kinda going against those that care about me here. Your words are correct but when you see a friend of yours in what you may believe "trouble" a true friend comes to their side and that is more then admirable and I commend J'bo, GR8 and the others for backing me up.

GOPRO my BUDDIE,,, you better get this straight right now before you force me to come all the way to your brand new home and kick your ass hahahahahahaha Seriously, I NEVER said you were wrong just in case you read that wrong. You know your my guru here and single handedly changed my lifelong believe that MORE is BETTER.

And Jodi, just to bring the original steroid comment to a final end,,, I have already said I was sorry for such strong comments but that is just me. You don't know the mentality of most guys on steroids, they are not ones to be insulted by being a "head" it is a "term" that the all know including myself. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I NEVER passed judgement on a Steroid user nor would I ever do so. I've said that I've not only used them in the past but was moreso an ABUSER! I lived in the world and I spoke to those guys as MEN not like little sensative kids. It seems the only one that was "truely" offended was a NON user. GR8 is a user as he himself proclaimed and he and I are best friends in here. I also received several PM's from Users taking my side on this but requested to remain nameless. I didn't see the user(s) get offended because he/them know the "inner circle" jargon and understand that I was speaking "guy talk" that's it like I said. I'm fuqing done with this bullshit over a SINGLE FUQING COMMENT. (See I'm getting pissed again just thinking how candy assed this all is). This is the LAST time I will address this situation or defend myself. If you (you=whomever) don't like me,,, tuff shit, put me on Ignore.

BabsieGirl · 10-09-2003, 11:38 AM

Hey FS......

That's all in good humor.

Cheer up buttercup.

J'Bo · 10-09-2003, 11:40 AM

your on ignore then

jk

Lets get back to the judges comments now.

Jodi can you take over as head judge please? i am afraid that i simply have too much to do in the next year and wont be able to be here much. Sorry i have to back out.

J'Bo · 10-09-2003, 11:41 AM

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Originally posted by BabsieGirl
Hey FS......

That's all in good humor.

Cheer up buttercup.

i thought that it was pretty funny

BabsieGirl · 10-09-2003, 11:56 AM

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Originally posted by J'Bo
Jodi can you take over as head judge please? i am afraid that i simply have too much to do in the next year and wont be able to be here much. Sorry i have to back out.

I hear ya J'Bo. It's hard for me to keep up with my own stuff and journal, let alone everyone elses.

Since TP isn't competing, why doesn't he become a judge. Only suggesting because he is knowledgable and, if Jodi takes over as head jugde. Who's going to fill her shoes?

firestorm · 10-09-2003, 11:58 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Jodi
" you could have held back the negativity against those that make a choice to use AS."

** There was no negativity Jodi. I said ok no juiceheads (again a user wouldn't take that as an insult).
I said it wouldn't be fair for those of us that had to work "hard" or something like that.
THAT comment was worded totally incorrectly and I did appologize after re-reading it and went on in detail to explain what I "meant" to say. I WAS IN ERROR BUT HARDLY WORTH ALL THIS or TP's attack.

******************
"I believe TP was simply trying to point this out because it was offensive."

**normally I wouldn't have had a problem with someone pointing out an error but he did not just "point out" he did so with arrogance.
A simple: "Hey fire, man that was harsh the way you worded that, would you mind rewording it so that nobody gets offended bro?? Thanks man. TP"

I would have jumped right on rewording it and even thanked him for pointing it out.
******************

"At IM we don't promote illegal use of steroids but don't condone it either".

** I believe promote and condone are basically the same thing. Did you mean Promote or discourage?

I'm not picking on your verbage I'm just not if you made a mistake there

I know the only "discouraging" posts were mine. Not insults mind you but the honest possible side effects and the positive and "negative" effects they had on me and friends of mine.

******************
"We don't judge people on their use..."

**I hope this is just a statement regarding IM.com and by no means insinuating that I pass judgement because I did no such thing.

10-06-2003, 10:00 AM	#61
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10-06-2003, 11:46 AM	#63
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10-06-2003, 07:01 PM	#65
Pepper Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,539	Not to jump into to this, but I think you put the "personally" with the wrong sentence. He didn't say he was offended personally, he said he took offense and that he personally did not use..... again, not trying to take sides here, just was reading back through the posts.
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10-07-2003, 02:50 PM	#67
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	Wow, Firestorm, now you have gone and truly hurt my feelings with all of that. I'd respond at length, but my ego and sense of self-worth is totally bruised. Instead, I will be the man that you could not, and refrain from further comment.
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10-07-2003, 07:31 PM	#68
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	Ignorant: lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified (which Fire is not) Ego: the self especially as contrasted with another self or the world.
	....and thats my $.02

10-06-2003, 07:08 PM	#66
firestorm P/RR/S Advisor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,765 Photos: 3	Pepper your totally correct. I just reread his post again. "I take great offense to this...." is what he said. Anyway, the point still remains the same why would he be offended if the post has nothing to do with him? He was just being confrontational and the post had nothing to do with him. This thread was made for the "Judges comments" not him to start shit in. Anyway thanks for pointing out my error. TP my appologies for the "incorrect quote".

10-07-2003, 08:14 PM	#70
gr81 You Lack Intensity!!!! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Just below our civil disguise Posts: 6,378 Photos: 10	wow TP, way to act like a woman and read WAY into what he was saying until you find something wrong with it for gods sake. I know fire well and have talked to him many times about being on and I know that he shows no disrespect to people running shit, all he was doing was making rules for HIS contest by the way, stating that no juice heads can compete in this friendly little contest, before you start trippin about shit, find a more worthy cause to fight for please instead of driving good people away from the board. I think it was pretty clear what he was trying to say, and I think that it was pretty clear that he meant no disrespect to anyone. By the way, if you have never used than you have no f'n right to try and act like you are offended for the people that may be on, get a clue pal. keep that head up fire, we love ya bro
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10-09-2003, 07:46 AM	#71
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	Ah, the cavalry. I would be remiss if I didn't point out the obvious and unnecessary insult to the female gender. Yet another ignorant statement. Aside from that, it is interesting how you and your loved one, need to resort to personal attacks. You'll notice I have refrained and only attacked a statement. Aside from that, and from the one item I feel the need to address (as it is the heart of this issue), I will refrain from engaging in the worthless mudslinging. The only point worth addressing is both of your comments to the effect of me having no right, as a non-AAS user, to defend this issue. Bullshit. The point is, which you each have failed to see, that AAS are illegal for one reason -- the stigma and moral turpitude that society has placed on steroid use. Which is the same reason ephedrine will soon be banned. The general public is beyond ignorant as to the use, effect, and abuse of steroids. This is perpetuated by the media, and often people who should know better (like the two of you). Scare tactics and the like only serve to shackle our rights, which is becoming an ever increasing problem in this industry, and our society. There is a huge difference between use and abuse, and the original statement with which I take issue, blurs this. Each of you may very well not be ingorant on these issues, but the original post seeths with ingonrance, and so does condoning it. (An for the record, you can never make the comment "so-and-so isn't ignorant.". We are all ignorant of many things; at least I have yet to meet someone who is all knowing. There are countless topics to which I display great ignorance, and so I choose not to discuss those topics, unless I am inquiring to learn. So yes, if you see me speak on a topic, I am pretty damn sure I know what I am talking about, or else I'd qualify my comment.)
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10-09-2003, 09:06 AM	#72
BabsieGirl Fighting Endometriosis Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 7,495	Wow! Come on you two and everyone else. This is crazy. Lets just get a long. TP and firestorm should be the ones intruding each others comments to which, they don't need the added comments from other people. TP has voiced his opinion and so has FS. Both are offended. I don't think all the postings in the world is going to solve the bitterness between the two of you. Besides, isn't this thread suppose to be where the judges comments are for the IM competitors? TP -- I understand where you're coming from and FS, I understand where you're coming from. One of the two is going to have to be the bigger person and let this blow over. It's not worth it. I like both of you. From what I do know, that is. What I'm seeing right now, is making me think twice. Com'on fella's. Shake on it and let it go.
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10-09-2003, 09:15 AM	#73
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	I am done, and have been. I honestly have no issues with FS, as a person. Hell, I barely know him. It is the peanut gallery that would like to keep this going, and I refuse to, except to continue to address what is the fundamental issue at hand (though few can see it). I also have no qualms with anyone forming any opinion about me based on what I have said here, or elsewhere.
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10-09-2003, 09:30 AM	#75
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	Probably should have yes.
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10-09-2003, 09:52 AM	#77
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,265 Photos: 1	I understand FS that you were clearly trying to make a point that you would prefer that people that use illegal steroids to refrain from entering the contest. You do no think it would be "fair" match up because someone that does not use illegal steroids gains muscle mass much slower. However, your wording IMO did lack thought and concern of others. You could have definately been a bit more selective and you could have held back the negativity against those that make a choice to use AS. I believe TP was simply trying to point this out because it was offensive. At IM we don't promote illegal use of steroids but don't condone it either. We don't judge people on their use and try to provide advice so that if they choose to use AAS they at least have some knowlegdge and people to turn to with questions. Now as far as those that chose to throw in those little jabs at TP..........I feel you are way out of line and it was completely uncalled for. Keep your 2 cents to yourself especially if it involves placing character on another whom you do not know.
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10-09-2003, 11:03 AM	#78
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	The reason i make comments is because i stand up for friends when someone calls them down. You are both (TP and FS) intelligent men who sometimes do things out of character when life isnt going your way. Like everyone else. IMHO society and supplement companies (some) are the ones that portray steroids as being "ok" to use and those that think they dont cause any damage are simply brainwashed by media and the bodybulding/fitness industry. The hormonal system is the most complex and unknown system in the body and thus i believe that their is no reason to play with it. I understand that some people feel it is necessary to take steroids when they rae competing at a high level of bodybulding or fitness cause its just reality that you have to...why people that dont compete do it is beyond me. I dont have to understand it, i just personally think that people do it because they dont have enough confidence or patience to achieve the results they want Naturally (meaning without ANY supplements even OTC) and yes i too am guilty of not being patient.
	....and thats my $.02

10-09-2003, 11:33 AM	#79
firestorm P/RR/S Advisor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,765 Photos: 3	I appreciated those that came to my defense. Your true friends. Thank you for that concern. I hate to agree with Jodi on this and Babs but they are right. I don't need anyone to fight my battles for me and Jodi and Babs I only said I hate agreeing with you because I'm kinda going against those that care about me here. Your words are correct but when you see a friend of yours in what you may believe "trouble" a true friend comes to their side and that is more then admirable and I commend J'bo, GR8 and the others for backing me up. GOPRO my BUDDIE,,, you better get this straight right now before you force me to come all the way to your brand new home and kick your ass hahahahahahaha Seriously, I NEVER said you were wrong just in case you read that wrong. You know your my guru here and single handedly changed my lifelong believe that MORE is BETTER. And Jodi, just to bring the original steroid comment to a final end,,, I have already said I was sorry for such strong comments but that is just me. You don't know the mentality of most guys on steroids, they are not ones to be insulted by being a "head" it is a "term" that the all know including myself. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I NEVER passed judgement on a Steroid user nor would I ever do so. I've said that I've not only used them in the past but was moreso an ABUSER! I lived in the world and I spoke to those guys as MEN not like little sensative kids. It seems the only one that was "truely" offended was a NON user. GR8 is a user as he himself proclaimed and he and I are best friends in here. I also received several PM's from Users taking my side on this but requested to remain nameless. I didn't see the user(s) get offended because he/them know the "inner circle" jargon and understand that I was speaking "guy talk" that's it like I said. I'm fuqing done with this bullshit over a SINGLE FUQING COMMENT. (See I'm getting pissed again just thinking how candy assed this all is). This is the LAST time I will address this situation or defend myself. If you (you=whomever) don't like me,,, tuff shit, put me on Ignore.

10-09-2003, 11:38 AM	#80
BabsieGirl Fighting Endometriosis Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 7,495	Hey FS...... That's all in good humor. Cheer up buttercup.
	Don't hate the player, hate the game!http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/...the%20wave.GIF Before you talk about what you want - appreciate what you have. http://home.earthlink.net/~gwcaton/s...ctures/tmf.jpg A good marriage would be between a blind wife and a deaf husband. -Honore de Balzac Desire+Consistency='s RESULTS

10-09-2003, 11:40 AM	#81
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	your on ignore then jk Lets get back to the judges comments now. Jodi can you take over as head judge please? i am afraid that i simply have too much to do in the next year and wont be able to be here much. Sorry i have to back out.
	....and thats my $.02

10-09-2003, 11:58 AM	#84
firestorm P/RR/S Advisor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,765 Photos: 3	[quote]Originally posted by Jodi " you could have held back the negativity against those that make a choice to use AS." There was no negativity Jodi. I said ok no juiceheads (again a user wouldn't take that as an insult). I said it wouldn't be fair for those of us that had to work "hard" or something like that. THAT comment was worded totally incorrectly and I did appologize after re-reading it and went on in detail to explain what I "meant" to say. I WAS IN ERROR BUT HARDLY WORTH ALL THIS or TP's attack. ************** "I believe TP was simply trying to point this out because it was offensive." normally I wouldn't have had a problem with someone pointing out an error but he did not just "point out" he did so with arrogance. A simple: "Hey fire, man that was harsh the way you worded that, would you mind rewording it so that nobody gets offended bro?? Thanks man. TP" I would have jumped right on rewording it and even thanked him for pointing it out. **************** "At IM we don't promote illegal use of steroids but don't condone it either". I believe promote and condone are basically the same thing. Did you mean Promote or discourage? I'm not picking on your verbage I'm just not if you made a mistake there I know the only "discouraging" posts were mine. Not insults mind you but the honest possible side effects and the positive and "negative" effects they had on me and friends of mine. **************** "We don't judge people on their use..." I hope this is just a statement regarding IM.com and by no means insinuating that I pass judgement because I did no such thing.