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Old 11-19-2003, 07:21 AM   #31
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Just when you were looking good, you want to loose size?? What gives Les? And your unemployeed? Sorry to hear that.



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Old 11-19-2003, 03:24 PM   #33
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HAN~ Thanks for the links

DG~ I want to tone it down. Wanting more of a lean, slender look as opposed to a harder, bigger muscular look. Why the concern? Geez you people dug me in my fat pink bikini pics- if that went over well, then I think a more slender me would prove to be fine too
As for unemployment situation, yea it sucks. But my dog is happy and I have a great guy who is able to support me and our doggie while I figure out what I want to do:



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Old 11-19-2003, 03:27 PM   #34
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I worked out this afternoon instead of evening since my fiance' is taking the night off from the gym

So far meals are skimpy, not on purpose. Also my coconut oil has yet to arrive.

Meal 1
2 eggs, 4 whites

ICE
PWO
2 Airheads

Meal 2
2 scoops Powder
5 fish oil caps

Meal 3
ONE HOUR REFEED
Pasta
1 piece crumb cake
couple chocolate chip cookies
Cheese/Caramel Tin Popcon
**I was STUFFED and passed out for 1.5 hours Woke up sweating my ass off.

Meal 4
Chicken
1 tbsp Flax

Meal 5
Chicken
1 tbsp Flax

Forgot my pencil in the gym today.
LEGS day 1
Squats 4 sets
Leg Ext 3 sets
Leg Curls 4 sets
Seated Calf 3 sets

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Old 11-19-2003, 03:30 PM   #35
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Hows the vendetta working for you? Thinking of picking up some.



I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain...
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When did you get Vendetta? I thought you got ICE?



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Old 11-19-2003, 03:42 PM   #37
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Oops
Sorry, I edited. Jodi you are right, I am using ICE.
I was reading up on Vendetta and it must have stuck in my mind as I was typing SOunds like really good stuff though.

Rock~ TP has used Vendetta for a long time. Perhaps he can tell you about it



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Oops
Sorry, I edited. Jodi you are right, I am using ICE.
I was reading up on Vendetta and it must have stuck in my mind as I was typing SOunds like really good stuff though.

Rock~ TP has used Vendetta for a long time. Perhaps he can tell you about it
No prob! I'll ask TP



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Do you mean 'airheads', the taffy candy?? I wish!!!
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HAN~ Thanks for the links

DG~ I want to tone it down. Wanting more of a lean, slender look as opposed to a harder, bigger muscular look. Why the concern?
If that is what you want fine and dandy!! I just like the muscular look better! Just wondered!



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Old 11-19-2003, 09:10 PM   #41
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Do you mean 'airheads', the taffy candy?? I wish!!!
Yes I do

You should look at my refeed edit



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Old 11-20-2003, 08:29 AM   #42
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Vendetta/ICE, what are these products for Leslie?



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Old 11-20-2003, 01:28 PM   #43
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Yes I do

You should look at my refeed edit
I wish I could re-feed! Everything looks good and tasty! Caramel popcorn, ummmm. But where is the cookie dough?
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But where is the cookie dough?
That was while I put the cookies on the tray for baking



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Todays Meals:

Meal 1
2 eggs, 4 whites
coffee with heavy cream

Meal 2
Steak
1 tsp PB

Meal 3
Chicken
1 tbsp Flax

Meal 4
1.5 scoops Powder
1 tbsp PB

Meal 5
Cottage cheese
Cinnamon
*If I get to the store
6 fish oils

No workout tonight as my body is TREMNDOUSLY sore from this breakin week and I am going on 3 hours of sleep.

*Started ECA



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*Started ECA
What kind??



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Old 11-21-2003, 09:25 AM   #48
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What kind??
Vasopro from 1fast400.com

I havent taken ECA in over 2 years I am starting verrry slow. 25mg per day for a while.

UPDATE: (you will like this )
I am changing my workout split. No more high reps and such. I dunno what I was thinking
Dante has really helped me and worked out a new split for me:

Day 1 will be push (ing movements), with Day 2 being pull (ing movements).
[4 reps for those parts I'm trying to reduce, and 8 for those I'm trying to maintain or improve.(BACK)]:

Day 1A (push)
Chest: 2 exercises, 4-6 sets total
Quads: 2 exercises, 6 sets total
Calves: 2 exercises, 6 sets total
Shoulders: 2 exercises, 4-6 sets total.
Triceps: 2 exercises, 4-6 sets total

Day 2A (pull)
Back: 2 exercises, 6 sets total
Hamstrings: 2 exercises, 6 sets total
Biceps: 2 exercises, 4-6 sets total
Abs: 2 exercises, heavy and low reps (4 is good).


Off

Day 1B
Same thing as Day 1A, just pick two different exercises

Day 2B
Same thing as Day 2B, just pick two different exercises.

Off

Repeat

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Old 11-23-2003, 02:33 PM   #49
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add 2-5 grams Glutemine or BCAAS at each meal. This will prevent you from going into gluconeogensis and using protein as fuel and this not what you want to do. BCAAS are esential on this type of diet for sparing leanbody mass. People know to train heavy coming into contest time (you should know know better my dear) Bigger muscle means more caloires burned while at rest. hope this helps



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Old 11-23-2003, 02:49 PM   #50
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isnt 25mg a day still quite a bit

when i was dieting i only took 8mg twice a day.



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Old 11-23-2003, 03:08 PM   #51
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split ECA to 12.5 mgs 2 times per day is a much better solution. secret to EC stack is to take smaller dosages through out the day time every 2-3 hours (similar to clen) add some green tea at 400 mgs along with stack and you will really be cooking plus 400 mgs is = to about 20 cups o tea in antioxident value NOT CAFFINE



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Old 11-23-2003, 04:24 PM   #52
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I am taking ICE during my workouts. It contains BcAA's and glut
25mg a dya is nothing. I was up to 75mg per day 2 years a go. I am slowly breaking in

HAN I never thought of splitting the ECA dose like that. Soemthing to think about.



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Old 11-24-2003, 03:36 PM   #53
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Hey Leslie - Dante is also a fan of the 1/2 pill doseage on the vasapro. You can check it out here:

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...threadid=23869 (homemade eca stack)

I'm in the same boat as you. It's been a long time since I've used any eca and I've started up again.



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Old 11-24-2003, 07:07 PM   #54
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The reason for splitting up ist keep the thermogenic effect going more constanty and to avoid crashes as well



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Old 11-26-2003, 10:51 AM   #55
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Time for updated measurements.
Was supposed to do them tommorow, but I could not wait anymoreI have been following the diet to a tee, just havent been posting. Form now on I will only post refeeds , measurements and any changes

My BW is down, measurements down as well. Its only been 9 days, but I can see a difference in my physique already and my pants are fitting nicely again.

November 18th..............................................November 26
BW 168............................................... ...........165.5
Chest~ 40"............................................... ......40"
Bicep ~
.Unflexed~ 11 3/4...........................................11 1/4
.Flexed ~13............................................... ......13
Waist ~27 1/4................................................. 27
Hip~
.top 36 1/2................................................. .....35 3/4
.butt 38................................................ ...........37 3/4
.Under 37 1/2................................................. .37
Thigh~ 22 1/4................................................. .22
Calf 15 1/2................................................. ......15 1/4

I would also like to add I have skipped all cardio this week I am thinking since I am still making progress anyways, of only doing it once per week for now. Can you tell I despise cardio?

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Old 11-26-2003, 02:08 PM   #56
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How do you feel taking you eca stack? I started 1 about a week ago. 25mg ephederine per capsule, Im up to 2X a day. I will up that to 50mg 2x a day in about a week or so. Do you take days off from the stack?
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Old 11-26-2003, 03:30 PM   #57
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I took 25mg for 7 days and now I am up to 50mgs as of yesterday. needless to say I didint fall alseep last night til 6am

No I dont take days off- you need to maintain the levels in your body. I will taper down after 45-60 days or so and give myself a break for a while to refresh my receptors.