Leslie's Journal

Dante B. · 11-27-2003, 01:57 PM

I'm very happy to hear that everything is working out.

hardasnails1973 · 11-27-2003, 07:10 PM

your just losing water weight can not loose that much fat in that short of time..Usually not till after 2 weeks fat loose actually starts. Muscle may have been loss too. just keep BCAAS going and they will preserve your mass when are a low carb diet. may want to add liver tabs for extra boosts..

J'Bo · 11-27-2003, 08:46 PM

han i think that is her goal...she wants to lose some muscle.

hardasnails1973 · 11-28-2003, 06:51 AM

then do cardio before weight training would work really well IMO.

Leslie · 12-02-2003, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hardasnails1973
then do cardio before weight training would work really well IMO.

I would not mind losing some muscle..but not THAT much

OK I promised I would update this thread with any changes. And well there are several. Biggies.

First off, I had my last glutton refeeds T-day (ate so much despite my supressed appetite due to ECA, I actually barfed in the early AM

) and Saturday, at my 5th Anniversary dinner. Fancy schmancy italian restuarant with plenty of bread and for the first time in years, an entree pasta dish

Desserts were $12 a pop for corny pastries, so we skipped over to Cheesecake Factory

Had Craig's Crazy Carrot Cheesecake and I vow to NEVER have another flavor of cheesecake again.
It was the absolute best dessert I have EVER had

Now for the changes:

*Coconut oil sucks. If I am going no carb, I want to at least enjoy the food I am having. I am only having 1 tbsp daily. Rest of fats will be from flax, fish oil, Newmans, PB, yolks and/or steak.

*Refeeds will be twice a week in the following manner:
....Tuesday~ One meal of whole wheat pasta and LF caramel popcorn until I am full. Will be working out this day, before refeed.
.....Saturday~ All day carbs- CKD style. Mostly bagels, pasta, rice, oats ect. One small, and I mean small, treat in the form of 2 cookies, or a small muffin ect.
I am doing this to teach myself some control when it comes to treats.

My refeeds that were free for all- while still produced results and measurement losses- were too mentally fuqqed up for me. It felt strange to binge on junk all day long and not too mention I would feel queasy after the first big sugar meal. I just function better mentally while refeeding more cleanly. Allowing a small treat is enough for me.

My workouts will be the same, working each part twice per week, as per Dante's plan. I am liking this schedule very much and plan to stick with it.

Thats all for now folks.

Dante B. · 12-03-2003, 10:32 PM

Glad everything is working out for you, Leslie.

Leslie · 12-04-2003, 09:31 AM

Thanks Dante

Glad to see you in here

I did measurements this AM- and everything is down- depsite the bad Tday and Saturday. I am not supposed to do measurements til Saturday

So I will not post them until then.

Also, your training program you suggetsed to me rocks! I just added 1 more set for shoulders and have been neglecting abs

The other thing is I have a new hobby...running

I have ran many fast miles this week and its addicting. ECA alllows wonderful things on the tready

I know it is breaking down my muscle already because my calves are down to 15".....To put it in perspective, my calves were 15 1/4 on both my competition days. They NEVER change much size- only varying between 15 14-15 1/2. I have big, bulky ugly calves anyway so I am happy to see them go down, but I am worried about the rest of my body since all the running has been done in the AM on an empty stomach. Should I consume soem whey and 10g dextrose beforehand? I really would like to keep the running since it will help strip down my legs and its fun

.......Thanks

nikegurl · 12-04-2003, 10:01 AM

"it's fun"

are you ok Les? you're making me worry....

aggies1ut · 12-04-2003, 11:34 AM

Personally, I LOVE running and am aiming for a marathon someday. To each their own though.

Leslie · 12-07-2003, 01:58 PM

Yesterdays refeed went rather well. I did indulge in some cookies, but only a few. It could have been much worst.

Saturday refeed 5am-130am
Foods consumed:

Frosted Flakes with Skim milk
2 cookies
2 bagels with FF cream cheese
LF Graham Crackers
LF cheese Popcorn
1 Trioplex bar
Pasta with 1/2 c whipped cottage cheese
4 cookies
Baked Lays Sour Cream n Onion
Frosted Flakes with Skim milk

Hmm, not much protein in there

This morning's cardio went rather well due to the refeed I suppose. Ran my miles at faster speeds. Suprisingly I am satisfied mentally with carbs. I had no problems eatting my protein/fat only meals and have no desire for carbs today. Feels good

Jill · 12-07-2003, 02:35 PM

Thats a lot of food! It all sound so yummy though. Try plain cream cheese then jam on top of you bagles. It is to die for! Could I have a refeed some time while carb cycling ladies?

No seriously.

**Jodi** · 12-07-2003, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Could I have a refeed some time while carb cycling ladies? No seriously.

NO

senimoni · 12-07-2003, 02:53 PM

Any updates on your measurements?

:-( on the carb cycling refeeds

**Jodi** · 12-07-2003, 03:01 PM

senimoni - Leslie isn't using carb cycling right now.

Leslie · 12-07-2003, 03:28 PM

Right. My refeed was exactly what it shoudl have been

Well cept I should have only had 2 cookies:angel:

Measurements will be posted Tuesday morning

senimoni · 12-07-2003, 03:59 PM

Jodi, I know...I am...it was just wishful thinking, reading about all these refeeds

Leslie · 12-08-2003, 11:18 AM

Did some running this morning as well as yesterday morning. Tonight I will be back to weights,as I missed Saturdays w/o due to the snow. But it was Day 2, so my shoulders/tri's got worked a bit anyway.

Now for the unsettling news

I am particularly curious about tommorows measurements.I want to see what the hell is going on.

The scale has not moved much.(not really concerned as I know BW means shit) My butt and legs look smaller and feel tighter (rememebr calves are down for first time in my life) and yet my waist is looking blubbery. At least the lower circumfrence -ala male love handles.

This is strange for me as ususally my legs and butt remain "fatty" and my waist tightens up right away.
I dont know if the running is contributing to this gear switch of fat loss regions or I have somehow developed male pattern fat storage

**Jodi** · 12-08-2003, 12:15 PM

Quote:

I have somehow developed male pattern fat storage

I did tell you my story about this didn't I?

Leslie · 12-08-2003, 12:35 PM

**Jodi** · 12-08-2003, 01:27 PM

I use to store all my fat in my thighs until I started training. Now you know where it all is

My body shifted over time. I look at it this way, you can cover ab fat with a shirt, its harder to cover up fat on butt and thighs.

Jeans show all

Leslie · 12-08-2003, 06:14 PM

Seriously?

I am not really upset about this as I would rather have leaner legs with some waist fat any day. I wonder if this is due to the increased test levels due to our heavy workouts?

Its very strange as I have never had a waist issue. Its not bad enough to be an "issue", but I can see/feel these changes occuring.....

Jill · 12-08-2003, 06:44 PM

Running is great- A few years ago I was addicted. I lost about 6 pounds, with no change in my diet. Who knows if it was fat or muscle. BUT, I totally fuc*** my knees up. Running is hard on your joints, be careful lady. How much are you up to daily with your eca stack? One more thing, cant wait to see your measurements tomorrow!

**Jodi** · 12-08-2003, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Leslie
Seriously?

I am not really upset about this as I would rather have leaner legs with some waist fat any day. I wonder if this is due to the increased test levels due to our heavy workouts?

Its very strange as I have never had a waist issue. Its not bad enough to be an "issue", but I can see/feel these changes occuring.....

Yeah, I'm serious. I told TP and Dante about it and I can't remember exactly what they said but it was something on the lines of your body basically reforming. When I think about it, I had a COMPLETELY different shape before lifting. I had a flat ass

Now I have a little bubble butt

my legs where wide, I always had smaller hips but really fat legs. They slimmed down alot and have taken a completely different shape. I wish I could remember what they told me.

atherjen · 12-08-2003, 07:15 PM

Hey Les! good to see you here as well girl. glad to see your keeping a journal here too!

Leslie · 12-08-2003, 07:24 PM

Oh Lordy. Well I wish one of them would post something

Hi Jill

I know running is hard on the joints, I take plenty of tiem to stretch and stuff. I have been running 2 days on, 1 day off. So far its working without any pain.

I am up to 75mg ephedrine now. Sometimes I only take in 62.5mg if I awake later in the day. I don't plan on upping the dosage any further. I have been able to sleep most nights. I am finding the cardio is helping tremendously in tiring me out

Oh an d I am curious about the measurements too

Leslie · 12-08-2003, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by atherjen
Hey Les! good to see you here as well girl. glad to see your keeping a journal here too!

Hey

Yea I am everywhere

Didn't want to leave anyone out

**Jodi** · 12-08-2003, 07:28 PM

Cuz your such an Angel

I gave up my journal here

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hardasnails1973 www.Bodyfactoryllc.com Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Pa Posts: 1,740	your just losing water weight can not loose that much fat in that short of time..Usually not till after 2 weeks fat loose actually starts. Muscle may have been loss too. just keep BCAAS going and they will preserve your mass when are a low carb diet. may want to add liver tabs for extra boosts..
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11-27-2003, 08:46 PM	#63
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	han i think that is her goal...she wants to lose some muscle.
	....and thats my $.02

11-28-2003, 06:51 AM	#64
hardasnails1973 www.Bodyfactoryllc.com Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Pa Posts: 1,740	then do cardio before weight training would work really well IMO.
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12-03-2003, 10:32 PM	#66
Dante B. Non Compost Mentis Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Phoenix Posts: 598 Photos: 8	Glad everything is working out for you, Leslie.
	Not to see many things, not to hear many things, not to permit many things to come close - first imperative of prudence, first proof that one is no mere accident but a necessity. Friedrich Nietzsche - Ecce Homo

12-04-2003, 09:31 AM	#67
Leslie DOWNSIZING Elite Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jersey Girl Posts: 2,911 Photos: 11	Thanks Dante Glad to see you in here I did measurements this AM- and everything is down- depsite the bad Tday and Saturday. I am not supposed to do measurements til Saturday So I will not post them until then. Also, your training program you suggetsed to me rocks! I just added 1 more set for shoulders and have been neglecting abs The other thing is I have a new hobby...running I have ran many fast miles this week and its addicting. ECA alllows wonderful things on the tready I know it is breaking down my muscle already because my calves are down to 15".....To put it in perspective, my calves were 15 1/4 on both my competition days. They NEVER change much size- only varying between 15 14-15 1/2. I have big, bulky ugly calves anyway so I am happy to see them go down, but I am worried about the rest of my body since all the running has been done in the AM on an empty stomach. Should I consume soem whey and 10g dextrose beforehand? I really would like to keep the running since it will help strip down my legs and its fun.......Thanks
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12-04-2003, 10:01 AM	#68
nikegurl Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: LA, CA Posts: 5,634	"it's fun" are you ok Les? you're making me worry....
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12-04-2003, 11:34 AM	#69
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12-07-2003, 01:58 PM	#70
Leslie DOWNSIZING Elite Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jersey Girl Posts: 2,911 Photos: 11	Yesterdays refeed went rather well. I did indulge in some cookies, but only a few. It could have been much worst. Saturday refeed 5am-130am Foods consumed: Frosted Flakes with Skim milk 2 cookies 2 bagels with FF cream cheese LF Graham Crackers LF cheese Popcorn 1 Trioplex bar Pasta with 1/2 c whipped cottage cheese 4 cookies Baked Lays Sour Cream n Onion Frosted Flakes with Skim milk Hmm, not much protein in there This morning's cardio went rather well due to the refeed I suppose. Ran my miles at faster speeds. Suprisingly I am satisfied mentally with carbs. I had no problems eatting my protein/fat only meals and have no desire for carbs today. Feels good
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12-07-2003, 02:35 PM	#71
Jill Back to reality Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Re-Motivated Posts: 5,861	Thats a lot of food! It all sound so yummy though. Try plain cream cheese then jam on top of you bagles. It is to die for! Could I have a refeed some time while carb cycling ladies? No seriously.

12-07-2003, 02:53 PM	#73
senimoni Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 161	Any updates on your measurements? :-( on the carb cycling refeeds
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12-07-2003, 03:01 PM	#74
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,126 Photos: 1	senimoni - Leslie isn't using carb cycling right now.
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12-07-2003, 03:28 PM	#75
Leslie DOWNSIZING Elite Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jersey Girl Posts: 2,911 Photos: 11	Right. My refeed was exactly what it shoudl have been Well cept I should have only had 2 cookies:angel: Measurements will be posted Tuesday morning
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12-07-2003, 03:59 PM	#76
senimoni Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 161	Jodi, I know...I am...it was just wishful thinking, reading about all these refeeds
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12-08-2003, 11:18 AM	#77
Leslie DOWNSIZING Elite Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jersey Girl Posts: 2,911 Photos: 11	Did some running this morning as well as yesterday morning. Tonight I will be back to weights,as I missed Saturdays w/o due to the snow. But it was Day 2, so my shoulders/tri's got worked a bit anyway. Now for the unsettling news I am particularly curious about tommorows measurements.I want to see what the hell is going on. The scale has not moved much.(not really concerned as I know BW means shit) My butt and legs look smaller and feel tighter (rememebr calves are down for first time in my life) and yet my waist is looking blubbery. At least the lower circumfrence -ala male love handles. This is strange for me as ususally my legs and butt remain "fatty" and my waist tightens up right away. I dont know if the running is contributing to this gear switch of fat loss regions or I have somehow developed male pattern fat storage
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12-08-2003, 07:15 PM	#84
atherjen DS Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: MS Posts: 5,757	Hey Les! good to see you here as well girl. glad to see your keeping a journal here too!
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12-08-2003, 12:35 PM	#79
Leslie DOWNSIZING Elite Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jersey Girl Posts: 2,911 Photos: 11	No
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12-08-2003, 01:27 PM	#80
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,126 Photos: 1	I use to store all my fat in my thighs until I started training. Now you know where it all is My body shifted over time. I look at it this way, you can cover ab fat with a shirt, its harder to cover up fat on butt and thighs. Jeans show all
	Essence EFA

12-08-2003, 06:14 PM	#81
Leslie DOWNSIZING Elite Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jersey Girl Posts: 2,911 Photos: 11	Seriously? I am not really upset about this as I would rather have leaner legs with some waist fat any day. I wonder if this is due to the increased test levels due to our heavy workouts? Its very strange as I have never had a waist issue. Its not bad enough to be an "issue", but I can see/feel these changes occuring.....
	Leslie My Journal My Sponsor:www.AvantLabs.com

12-08-2003, 06:44 PM	#82
Jill Back to reality Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Re-Motivated Posts: 5,861	Running is great- A few years ago I was addicted. I lost about 6 pounds, with no change in my diet. Who knows if it was fat or muscle. BUT, I totally fuc*** my knees up. Running is hard on your joints, be careful lady. How much are you up to daily with your eca stack? One more thing, cant wait to see your measurements tomorrow!

12-08-2003, 07:24 PM	#85
Leslie DOWNSIZING Elite Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jersey Girl Posts: 2,911 Photos: 11	Oh Lordy. Well I wish one of them would post something Hi Jill I know running is hard on the joints, I take plenty of tiem to stretch and stuff. I have been running 2 days on, 1 day off. So far its working without any pain. I am up to 75mg ephedrine now. Sometimes I only take in 62.5mg if I awake later in the day. I don't plan on upping the dosage any further. I have been able to sleep most nights. I am finding the cardio is helping tremendously in tiring me out Oh an d I am curious about the measurements too
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12-08-2003, 07:28 PM	#87
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,126 Photos: 1	Cuz your such an Angel I gave up my journal here