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Old 12-18-2003, 11:22 AM   #1
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Male, 20 yrs old, 6'5", 248lbs.

Going to give carb cycling a try. Started yesterday. Here are the basics of my diet:


620 cals/meal
62g protein/meal
supplement with 20g fish oil, 1 multivitamin, and 15g creatine/day
3/6 meals 1 cup green veggies



High carb day:
4/6 meals = as many approved carbs as needed
must first eat minimum amount of protein
must first eat 1 apple

2/6 meals = protein only


Low carb day:
1g carbs/lb of bodyweight = 248g carbs/day
3/6 meals = carbs
82g carbs/meal
1 piece fruit with same 3/6 meals
other 3/6 meals protein only


No carb day:
6/6 meals = protein only

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Old 12-18-2003, 11:30 AM   #2
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Meals for 12/17: No carb day

Meal 1: 40g whey, 2 T. natty PB, multivitamin
Meal 2: Can of tuna, 3 T. light safflower mayo, 20g whey
Meal 3: ~6 ounces chicken, 20g whey, 5g fish oil
Meal 4: ~8 ounces chicken
Meal 5: ~8 ounces chicken, 2 T. natty PB
Meal 6: 40g whey, 1 T. natty PB, 5g fish oil

Totals:
Cals - 2439
Fat - 86 *not including fish oil
Carbs - 33
Protein - 379

I think my fat was a bit high... i added fat to 4 meals instead of just two. I dont think its too bad for my first attempt, though. Next no carb day ill probably add fat to whichever meal i have tuna with, and the last meal of the day before bed. I also need to get some green veggies in there.



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Old 12-18-2003, 11:52 AM   #3
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Old 12-18-2003, 12:16 PM   #4
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Old 12-18-2003, 07:50 PM   #5
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I think my fat was a bit high... i added fat to 4 meals instead of just two. I dont think its too bad for my first attempt, though. Next no carb day ill probably add fat to whichever meal i have tuna with, and the last meal of the day before bed. I also need to get some green veggies in there.
That would be because of the Mayo and the extra T of Natty PB.



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Old 12-18-2003, 08:57 PM   #6
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That would be because of the Mayo and the extra T of Natty PB.
But its LIGHT saff mayo! Only 4g fat per T (only 1 T of full fat mayo makes my tuna too dry).



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Old 12-18-2003, 09:08 PM   #7
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But thats 12G fat. If you want to keep the mayo then you need to get rid of one of your meals with 2T. Natty PB. Remember, only 2 high fat meals, not 3



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Old 12-18-2003, 09:15 PM   #8
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Meals for 12/18: Low carb day

Meal 1: 40g whey, apple, 1.2 cups brown rice (couldnt finish the rest... lol), 1/2 cup lowfat cottage cheese (my first time trying it... i ate it right out of the container. Y U C K !)
Meal 2: Can of tuna, 3 T. light saff mayo, 20g whey
Meal 3: 60g whey, 1.5 cups brown rice, apple
Meal 4: Can of tuna, 3 T. light saff mayo, 20g whey
Meal 5: 60g whey, apple, 1.5 cups brown rice
Meal 6: 40g whey (ill just add s'more fish oil in here... since i cant afford any more tasty fats to slow digestion )

Totals:
Cals - 3230
Fat - 61
Carb - 302
Protein - 376

Still having trouble with fat. I'd like to get it down around 40g/day... i guess i can start by taking off a T. of saff mayo from my tuna meals.

Cottage cheese is just plain nasty. I need to find some recipes or something....

And WTF! This is my "low" carb day, yet i had a hell of a time eating everything. I had no idea how messed up my metabolism had become.

Also... my carbs were over by about 50g. I think this is because of the apples. Are the carbs from apples counted into the total?



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Old 12-18-2003, 09:17 PM   #9
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btw, here's a link to my fitday journal:

http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJ...wner=Monolith2



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Old 12-18-2003, 09:22 PM   #10
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Ugh... looking at my meals from 12/18 again... and i just realized that a full 200g of my protein for the day came from whey. That sucks. Time to go buy more chicken i guess....

And still havent been getting any green veggies.



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Still having trouble with fat. I'd like to get it down around 40g/day... i guess i can start by taking off a T. of saff mayo from my tuna meals.

Your fat is fine at 60G

Cottage cheese is just plain nasty. I need to find some recipes or something....

Cinnamon and Splenda

And WTF! This is my "low" carb day, yet i had a hell of a time eating everything. I had no idea how messed up my metabolism had become.

Well you've been gone a long time.

Also... my carbs were over by about 50g. I think this is because of the apples. Are the carbs from apples counted into the total?

No you don't count the apples. You should make it half an apple though per carb meal.



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Old 12-18-2003, 09:48 PM   #12
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Ahh... ok. Yeah, i thought a whole apple with every carb meal was a bit much... but per TP's article, i should be eating "a 50-100 cal piece of fruit with each carb meal". My 6.5 ounce apples came out (according to fitday) at exactly 100 cals. I certainly wont complain about getting to eat less, though.

Bizarrely, i think tomorrow's high carb day is going to be my toughest. I'm gonna force myself to eat a crapload of food, like 700 cals/meal, just to see how fast i can get my metabo going.

I mean, just a few months ago, i was throwin down 6k cals a day and i was STILL hungry. Stupid body.



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I had my first high carb day today.....I quite enjoyed...I love sweet potatoes!!! I don't know what I'll do for my low carb day b/c I'm not good with measuring carbs just yet.

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Old 12-18-2003, 10:03 PM   #14
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I had my first high carb day today.....I quite enjoyed...I love sweet potatoes!!! I don't know what I'll do for my low carb day b/c I'm not good with measuring carbs just yet.

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ooooh... good call. i havent had sweet potato's in a while - but theyre awesome! ill pick some up at the store tomorrow.



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Old 12-19-2003, 07:16 AM   #15
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Man... i tried some regular sodium-packed tuna today for the first time in a while, and YUCK! It almost made me puke. The sodium free tuna may be a little dry... but its better then that stuff.



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Ever try protein pancakes? Any eay way to eat cottage cheese and you'd never know any was in their! Let me know is you want the recipe. On my high carb days I eat usually eat my 3 high carb meals all protein pancakes!
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Ever try protein pancakes? Any eay way to eat cottage cheese and you'd never know any was in their! Let me know is you want the recipe. On my high carb days I eat usually eat my 3 high carb meals all protein pancakes!
Yeah, i'd love the recipe. You make them sound pretty tasty!

I dunno how they'd turn out with me as the chef, though... im a calamity in the kitchen. Took me a few weeks just to figure out how to cook chicken breasts that tasted good.



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Old 12-19-2003, 04:29 PM   #18
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WOW! I had an absolutely awesome back workout today. I havent felt this way since Jodi first gave me a proper diet to follow about a year ago.

Also, i'm not quite sure how, but my metabolism is speeding up a lot faster than i thought it would. I ate 2 cups of rice, 10 oz of chicken, half an apple, a T. of flax, 5g fish oil, and i was hungry 2 hours later.



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Yes...plz post the recipe!!
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Old 12-19-2003, 10:25 PM   #20
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Meals for 12/19: High carb day

Meal 1: 60g whey, 5g fish oil
Meal 2: 10oz chicken, 1.5 cups brown rice, 1 T. flax oil, 5g fish oil, apple
Meal 3: 8oz chicken, 2 cups brown rice, apple, 5g fish oil
Meal 4: 2 slice wheat bread, 2 T. nat PB, 60g whey
Meal 5: 8oz sweet potato, 8oz chicken, apple
Meal 6: 60g whey, 5g fish oil

Totals:
Cals - 3702
Fat - 77
Carbs - 278
Protein - 461

*Totals are not including apples or fish oil.

Still didnt get any veggies... keep forgetting. Fat went too high again, too. I only added a total of 26g of fat, but i wasnt counting on how much fat the other stuff has naturally.

Also disappointed in my carb intake. Just barely went above my carb requirements for a low carb day.

I'm almost looking forward to tomorrows no carb day... much easier to manage the meals.



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Old 12-19-2003, 10:35 PM   #21
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Why are you counting your carbs? High carb days means no counting carbs. Eat til your satisfied. On top of that, I eat more carbs than that on my high carb days and I'm 1/2 your weight

Eat up boy. You will learn to enjoy the high carb days. Everyone and I mean everyone bitches about them at first, then after a week or two they love the high carb days and bitch about the no carb days.

Lets see what tomorrow is and, if you want, I can't help make suggestions on the fat.



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Old 12-20-2003, 10:48 AM   #22
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Why are you counting your carbs? High carb days means no counting carbs. Eat til your satisfied. On top of that, I eat more carbs than that on my high carb days and I'm 1/2 your weight

Eat up boy. You will learn to enjoy the high carb days. Everyone and I mean everyone bitches about them at first, then after a week or two they love the high carb days and bitch about the no carb days.

Lets see what tomorrow is and, if you want, I can't help make suggestions on the fat.
haha... so wait, im not even supposed to COUNT my carbs on the high carb days? What if i eat 600g of carbs and dont even realize it?

But no worries, today's a no carb day... WOOHOO! LOL

And yeah, please give me some idea's on how i can cut the fat. With eating so much other "lean" food, im getting a ton of natural fat. Seems like if i add even the smallest amount of extra fat i go over 60g.



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Old 12-20-2003, 06:00 PM   #23
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Hmmm...

Since im allowed to eat just about as much protein as i want on no carb days (for all of the days, actually), is it critical that i stick to 6 defined meals? Can i just eat protein whenever i get hungry throughout the day?



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Old 12-21-2003, 12:37 AM   #24
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Meals for 12/20: No carb day

Meal 1: 6oz chicken, 20g whey
Meal 2: can of tuna, 2 T. light saff mayo, 20g whey
Meal 3: 5oz chicken, 20g whey
Meal 4: 9.5oz beef tenderloin
Meal 5: 6.5oz chicken, 20g whey
Meal 6: 60g whey

Totals:
Cals - 2443
Fat - 75
Carbs - 18
Protein - 415

*Totals not including fish oil.

Again with the veggies.

Fat was high again. I think it was the 10oz of tenderloin... according to fitday, it added 33g of fat. I even tried having my tuna with only 2 T. of mayo (yuck!).

I wasnt really craving carbs today... but i WAS craving more food in general.



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Old 12-21-2003, 10:14 AM   #25
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lol... i weighed myself today, and im down to 243. I know its water loss from the no carb day, but it was still nice motivation.



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Old 12-21-2003, 12:21 PM   #26
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wow... i just ate something really weird.

i just finished a can of tuna with some saff mayo... and was thinking about what i should have for a carb source and s'more protein. then i remembered i had a sweet potato left. then i remembered i still had some cottage cheese..........

so, yes, i combined them. one cooked 8oz sweet potato mashed in a bowl with 1/2 cup of cottage cheese mixed in. i'm eating it now... and im not quite sure how to describe it. it looks extremely unappealing (in fact it looks like someone ate it 20 minutes ago). its bright orange with little white chunks sprinkled in it. like a radioactive salami or something.

as for the taste, its not that bad. i finished it without any grimaces. i dont think it'll be at the top of my list for my next meal, though...



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Old 12-21-2003, 03:54 PM   #27
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If i eat my 3 carb meals for my low carb day... and arent meeting the daily requirements for carbs, can i add a fourth carb meal? or should i stick to only 3/6 meals?



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Old 12-21-2003, 11:34 PM   #28
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Meals for 12/21: Low carb day

Meal 1: 7oz sweet potato, 60g whey
Meal 2: can of tuna, 2 T. light saff mayo, 8oz sweet potato, 1/2 cup cottage cheese
Meal 3: 2 cups broccoli, 1.5 cups brown rice, 7.5oz chicken, apple
Meal 4: 6oz chicken, 20g whey
Meal 5: 6oz chicken, 20g whey
Meal 6: 40g whey, 2 T. PB

Totals:
Cals - 3007
Fat - 62
Carbs - 204
Protein - 397

*Totals not including broccoli, apples, or fish oil

Fat was on target, but i screwed up my fruit intake. At least i got *some* veggies in today. Carbs were low, too. It's hard when a sweet potato is almost enough carbs for one meal, but not quite enough. I need to find something to eat thats only like 10g of carbs more.... I guess i should just break out the brown rice again.

And god damn, im going through chicken like crazy!



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Old 12-22-2003, 10:38 AM   #29