Greeky gets serious!!!

greekblondechic · 02-06-2004, 12:22 AM

ok jodi goodnight sweetheart, im going to go dream about carbs and prepare for my shopping trip tomorrow

Sunday will be MUCH easier i think cuz i already know whats allowed and whats not

**Jodi** · 02-06-2004, 05:21 AM

It doesn't have to be completely S/F, just not loaded with sugar. Almost any FF cereal will do. Same with pancakes and waffles. The idea is that you just can't be eating tons of sugar. Sugar won't raise leptin, the complex carbs will raise Leptin and that is our goal here. You have been so low carb for so long that your Leptin is probably so low which is why I suggested 2 day refeed before you start a new diet.

My favorite cereal is Quaker Oh's

Any waffle or pancake batter is fine, providing it doesn't have a alot of eggs or oil in it. You can make your own too.

Sapphire · 02-06-2004, 05:31 AM

Oh boy GBC!! I am excited for you!! BAGELS and PASTA!! YUMMY!!!! Enjoy Sweetie and let me know how it goes!

JODI If you don't mind me asking... can GBC eat fruit during a refeed?

Jill · 02-06-2004, 06:21 AM

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Originally posted by Jodi
And you wonder why progress is slow?

2TBS of peanut butter would be considered my fat source for that meal? 1/2 for that day.

atherjen · 02-06-2004, 07:15 AM

Yay Greek! Enjoy that refeed hun!!!

**Jodi** · 02-06-2004, 09:24 AM

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Originally posted by Sapphire
Oh boy GBC!! I am excited for you!! BAGELS and PASTA!! YUMMY!!!! Enjoy Sweetie and let me know how it goes!

JODI If you don't mind me asking... can GBC eat fruit during a refeed?

No fruit during a refeed. Fruit is fructose - fructose fills liver glycogen but doesn't do much for muscle glycogen. Thats why she needs complex carbs to spill over muscle glycogen and raise leptin. Fruit won't cut it and can cause fat gain.

That is why sugar needs to be somewhat low too. Sugar is 50% glucose and 50% fructose. Again, we don't want to spill over liver glycogen just muscle glycogen.

**Jodi** · 02-06-2004, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jill

2TBS of peanut butter would be considered my fat source for that meal? 1/2 for that day.

2T of PB is 14G of Fat.

Sapphire · 02-06-2004, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jodi
No fruit during a refeed. Fruit is fructose - fructose fills liver glycogen but doesn't do much for muscle glycogen. Thats why she needs complex carbs to spill over muscle glycogen and raise leptin. Fruit won't cut it and can cause fat gain.

That is why sugar needs to be somewhat low too. Sugar is 50% glucose and 50% fructose. Again, we don't want to spill over liver glycogen just muscle glycogen.

How about white rice?

greekblondechic · 02-06-2004, 02:31 PM

Ok I went to the supermarket to stock up

And I couldnt find anything!!!!

I was looking at the cereals and granola bars..
Nothing fat free except for Kellog's Corn Flakes

A few with low fat, like 1.5g per serving
But everything seemed pretty high in sugar

I was hoping for Cracklin Oat Bran but it had something like 7g fat

I have no idea what cereals I CAN buy, or what granola I can buy, that is low in fat and sugar..

Also, wouldnt fat free muffins be high in sugar?

JLB001 · 02-06-2004, 02:47 PM

Mmmmm Corn Flakes. yum yum
Muffins...mmmm

Greeky...your making me hungry

greekblondechic · 02-06-2004, 02:48 PM

sorry jlb I'm just trying to find refeed foods besides pasta and bread

JLB001 · 02-06-2004, 03:00 PM

hehe....it's ok. Those sound yummy too. Myself...I'd go for peanut butter and jelly sandwichs! or cookies. (I'm a bad influence on cheat stuff)

greekblondechic · 02-06-2004, 03:02 PM

in the words of jodi

a refeed is NOT a cheat

looking for low sugar and fat carb foods...

atherjen · 02-06-2004, 04:16 PM

hmmm some good choices for cereals. ...
any Bran cereal or Kashi go lean, Cheerios ,Corn Flakes, Kix , Special K, puffed wheat, shredded wheat . those would be sugarless kinds.

as for minmal sugar types(which you ARE allowed some of during a refeed). ... Frosted Mini Wheats, Multi Grain Cheerios(I LOVE those), Life. etc.

hmm or pretzels! fat free muffins are great if you make your own! or make your own homemade pancakes/waffles!

Jill · 02-06-2004, 04:21 PM

How about bagels with ff cream cheese?

atherjen · 02-06-2004, 04:22 PM

just had an idea. you could make a low fat Trail Mix...
with Chex or Cheerios/Shreddies, air popped popcorn, pretzels, mini rye crackers, etc. and spice it up how you want. either add like garlic powder or chilli with pam butter spray...or pam butter spray with cinnamon/splenda for a sweeter idea.

just an idea. hehe

Jill · 02-06-2004, 04:25 PM

Im getting hungry........ P Pancake in 2 hours!!! Yippee

greekblondechic · 02-06-2004, 04:33 PM

more ideas on the minimal sugar cereals please

so store bought fat free muffins are not ok?

i'm tempted to just eat oatmeal, but thats for sunday

atherjen · 02-06-2004, 04:35 PM

oh come on!! enjoy the refeed sweetie. your metabolism will LOVE you!
how about rice cakes? or rice cake chips? do you like thoses?

well some of the fat free muffin mixes are really high in sugar. check the nutritional label. if per servings its over 10g Id find something else.

greekblondechic · 02-06-2004, 04:37 PM

yes i love rice cakes!!!!!!!!

am i allowed to get any flavor i want even choc chip (the chips r tiny!)

I think i just found my refeed food

I'm gonna be sooo sick tomorrow lol

what are my macro breakdown guidelines for cereal?
like whats the ceiling for fat and sugar per serving

greekblondechic · 02-06-2004, 04:38 PM

Do i eat every 3 hours or nonstop

And do I take ALA? if so how much? I have SAN - Loaded..

atherjen · 02-06-2004, 04:40 PM

just keep fat under 1-2grams..
rice cakes.. SURE check the fat though on those choc chip ones..
how about low fat graham crackers?

atherjen · 02-06-2004, 04:42 PM

Id eat every 2-2.5 hours.... eat until your satisfied each time. (so that you are able to eat again.)

hmm I use ALA on refeeds.. and apple cider vinegar(but people tend to have different opinons on that.. and its kinda of disgusting to some.. haha)

greekblondechic · 02-06-2004, 04:44 PM

what is apple cider vinegar for again?

my problem is i eat til im physically sick..but ill do my best not to

I guess I'll try to take 1 or 2 capsules b4 every meal

graham crackers

atherjen · 02-06-2004, 04:57 PM

u dont like graham crackers?

man o man on my last refeed I must have ate an entire box!

ACV is to slow glucose disposal and aids in the uptake into muscle tissues. I just always feel "drier" the following day. thats all.

the ALA will do fine and much easier! haha

Burner02 · 02-06-2004, 05:08 PM

I LOVE graham crackers! especially w/ peanut butter on them..
D

greekblondechic · 02-06-2004, 05:11 PM

no peanut butter for me tomorrow

go lean crunch has 3g fat..too much?

how much sugar are we lookin at as ok for cereal or rice cakes per serving?

what about low fat granola bars?

greekblondechic · 02-06-2004, 05:15 PM

and what about ice cream????

what kinds can i have

02-06-2004, 05:21 AM	#422
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,265 Photos: 1	It doesn't have to be completely S/F, just not loaded with sugar. Almost any FF cereal will do. Same with pancakes and waffles. The idea is that you just can't be eating tons of sugar. Sugar won't raise leptin, the complex carbs will raise Leptin and that is our goal here. You have been so low carb for so long that your Leptin is probably so low which is why I suggested 2 day refeed before you start a new diet. My favorite cereal is Quaker Oh's Any waffle or pancake batter is fine, providing it doesn't have a alot of eggs or oil in it. You can make your own too.
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02-06-2004, 05:31 AM	#423
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02-06-2004, 07:15 AM	#425
atherjen DS Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: MS Posts: 5,757	Yay Greek! Enjoy that refeed hun!!!
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02-06-2004, 02:47 PM	#430
JLB001 I see YOU!! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Houston Posts: 8,293 Photos: 5	Mmmmm Corn Flakes. yum yum Muffins...mmmm Greeky...your making me hungry
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02-06-2004, 03:00 PM	#432
JLB001 I see YOU!! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Houston Posts: 8,293 Photos: 5	hehe....it's ok. Those sound yummy too. Myself...I'd go for peanut butter and jelly sandwichs! or cookies. (I'm a bad influence on cheat stuff)
	"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot in it and hang on."

02-06-2004, 12:22 AM	#421
greekblondechic I'm special :) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 7,791	ok jodi goodnight sweetheart, im going to go dream about carbs and prepare for my shopping trip tomorrow Sunday will be MUCH easier i think cuz i already know whats allowed and whats not

02-06-2004, 02:31 PM	#429
greekblondechic I'm special :) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 7,791	Ok I went to the supermarket to stock up And I couldnt find anything!!!! I was looking at the cereals and granola bars.. Nothing fat free except for Kellog's Corn Flakes A few with low fat, like 1.5g per serving But everything seemed pretty high in sugar I was hoping for Cracklin Oat Bran but it had something like 7g fat I have no idea what cereals I CAN buy, or what granola I can buy, that is low in fat and sugar.. Also, wouldnt fat free muffins be high in sugar?

02-06-2004, 02:48 PM	#431
greekblondechic I'm special :) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 7,791	sorry jlb I'm just trying to find refeed foods besides pasta and bread

02-06-2004, 03:02 PM	#433
greekblondechic I'm special :) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 7,791	in the words of jodi a refeed is NOT a cheat looking for low sugar and fat carb foods...

02-06-2004, 04:16 PM	#434
atherjen DS Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: MS Posts: 5,757	hmmm some good choices for cereals. ... any Bran cereal or Kashi go lean, Cheerios ,Corn Flakes, Kix , Special K, puffed wheat, shredded wheat . those would be sugarless kinds. as for minmal sugar types(which you ARE allowed some of during a refeed). ... Frosted Mini Wheats, Multi Grain Cheerios(I LOVE those), Life. etc. hmm or pretzels! fat free muffins are great if you make your own! or make your own homemade pancakes/waffles!
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02-06-2004, 04:21 PM	#435
Jill Back to reality Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Re-Motivated Posts: 5,861	How about bagels with ff cream cheese?

02-06-2004, 04:22 PM	#436
atherjen DS Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: MS Posts: 5,757	just had an idea. you could make a low fat Trail Mix... with Chex or Cheerios/Shreddies, air popped popcorn, pretzels, mini rye crackers, etc. and spice it up how you want. either add like garlic powder or chilli with pam butter spray...or pam butter spray with cinnamon/splenda for a sweeter idea. just an idea. hehe
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02-06-2004, 04:25 PM	#437
Jill Back to reality Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Re-Motivated Posts: 5,861	Im getting hungry........ P Pancake in 2 hours!!! Yippee

02-06-2004, 04:33 PM	#438
greekblondechic I'm special :) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 7,791	more ideas on the minimal sugar cereals please so store bought fat free muffins are not ok? i'm tempted to just eat oatmeal, but thats for sunday

02-06-2004, 04:35 PM	#439
atherjen DS Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: MS Posts: 5,757	oh come on!! enjoy the refeed sweetie. your metabolism will LOVE you! how about rice cakes? or rice cake chips? do you like thoses? well some of the fat free muffin mixes are really high in sugar. check the nutritional label. if per servings its over 10g Id find something else.
	" To dream anything you want to dream: That is the beauty of the human mind. To do anything you want to do: That is the strength of the human will. To trust yourself to test your limits: that is the courage to succeed." NPC Southern Classic, June 3rd NPC Cajun Classic, June 10th NPC Mississippi State July 22nd

02-06-2004, 04:37 PM	#440
greekblondechic I'm special :) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 7,791	yes i love rice cakes!!!!!!!! am i allowed to get any flavor i want even choc chip (the chips r tiny!) I think i just found my refeed food I'm gonna be sooo sick tomorrow lol what are my macro breakdown guidelines for cereal? like whats the ceiling for fat and sugar per serving

02-06-2004, 04:38 PM	#441
greekblondechic I'm special :) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 7,791	Do i eat every 3 hours or nonstop And do I take ALA? if so how much? I have SAN - Loaded..

02-06-2004, 04:40 PM	#442
atherjen DS Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: MS Posts: 5,757	just keep fat under 1-2grams.. rice cakes.. SURE check the fat though on those choc chip ones.. how about low fat graham crackers?
	" To dream anything you want to dream: That is the beauty of the human mind. To do anything you want to do: That is the strength of the human will. To trust yourself to test your limits: that is the courage to succeed." NPC Southern Classic, June 3rd NPC Cajun Classic, June 10th NPC Mississippi State July 22nd

02-06-2004, 04:42 PM	#443
atherjen DS Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: MS Posts: 5,757	Id eat every 2-2.5 hours.... eat until your satisfied each time. (so that you are able to eat again.) hmm I use ALA on refeeds.. and apple cider vinegar(but people tend to have different opinons on that.. and its kinda of disgusting to some.. haha)
	" To dream anything you want to dream: That is the beauty of the human mind. To do anything you want to do: That is the strength of the human will. To trust yourself to test your limits: that is the courage to succeed." NPC Southern Classic, June 3rd NPC Cajun Classic, June 10th NPC Mississippi State July 22nd

02-06-2004, 04:44 PM	#444
greekblondechic I'm special :) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 7,791	what is apple cider vinegar for again? my problem is i eat til im physically sick..but ill do my best not to I guess I'll try to take 1 or 2 capsules b4 every meal graham crackers

02-06-2004, 04:57 PM	#445
atherjen DS Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: MS Posts: 5,757	u dont like graham crackers? man o man on my last refeed I must have ate an entire box! ACV is to slow glucose disposal and aids in the uptake into muscle tissues. I just always feel "drier" the following day. thats all. the ALA will do fine and much easier! haha
	" To dream anything you want to dream: That is the beauty of the human mind. To do anything you want to do: That is the strength of the human will. To trust yourself to test your limits: that is the courage to succeed." NPC Southern Classic, June 3rd NPC Cajun Classic, June 10th NPC Mississippi State July 22nd

02-06-2004, 05:08 PM	#446
Burner02 Super Hero in Training Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tip of the spear! Posts: 28,316	I LOVE graham crackers! especially w/ peanut butter on them.. D
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02-06-2004, 05:11 PM	#447
greekblondechic I'm special :) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 7,791	no peanut butter for me tomorrow go lean crunch has 3g fat..too much? how much sugar are we lookin at as ok for cereal or rice cakes per serving? what about low fat granola bars?

02-06-2004, 05:15 PM	#448
greekblondechic I'm special :) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 7,791	and what about ice cream???? what kinds can i have