Patrick is pulling it together

**P-funk** · 01-19-2004, 05:22 PM

1/18 arms (light)

I supposed to do some light shoulder work today also but on friday, when I was doing incline dumbell press, I kicked them back from my knee to start my set and pinched something in my left shoulder. Nothing seems to be torn, it seems that I just have an inflamed tendon. So I didn't do any shoulder work today, probably shouldn't have done arm work either. Been icing it and tomorrow is a rest day so that is most welcome.

cable curl RI=60sec
plate#8x30x3

dumbell skull crushers RI=60sec
40x20x2, 30x20

superset RI=60sec
a) straight bar reverse curls 40x20x3
b) rope pressdowns plate#7x20x3

superset RI=60sec
a) behind back barbell wrist curls 155x12x5
b) plate loaded gripper (2 hands at a time) 45x40x5

cardio: cybex arc trainer; hill intervals; level 8; 20min.

atherjen · 01-20-2004, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by P-funk
1/18 arms (light)

I supposed to do some light shoulder work today also but on friday, when I was doing incline dumbell press, I kicked them back from my knee to start my set and pinched something in my left shoulder. Nothing seems to be torn, it seems that I just have an inflamed tendon. So I didn't do any shoulder work today, probably shouldn't have done arm work either. Been icing it and tomorrow is a rest day so that is most welcome.

OWE!! Hopefully it heals soon, keep icing it and dont put too much stress on it!

**P-funk** · 01-20-2004, 01:56 PM

1/20 back (heavy)/chest (light)/traps (heavy)

wide grip pull ups
bw + 25 x 4 x 2 RI=60sec
bw + 50 x 3 x 1
bw + 50 x 2 x 1 RI=120sec

(shouldn't have gone heavier....shoulder still a bot sore)

neutral grip cable row RI=60sec
plate#17x4
stack x 4 x 3

wide grip spider row (aka support row) RI=120sec
4 plates and one quarter plate x 4 x 3

explosive bench press
155 x 2 x 12 RI=10sec

superset RI=60sec
a)dumbell bench press 75x15, x 12, x 10
b)decline dumbell flyes 35x15, x12, x12

explosive shrugs
205x8x2
225x8
245x4
265x4
315x3x2

aside from the wide grip pull ups the shoulder felt okay. The light chest work didn't bother it and I made sure I was using light enough weight to not try and push it to hard.

Somethings happened today that made me a little crazy, made me think and kind of upset me:

1) I am all natural but I do have freinds that like to use juice. Now, one of my other friends, and sometimes training partner has jsut started doing pro hormones (probably would juice if it weren't for the needles) to get his strength and size up (I still consider pro-homrones steroids and people that use them not natural. However, my biggest issue with them is, if you are going to waste your money on that crap you may as well just go and get the real stuff and not beat around the bush). This pisses me off becasue (a) I am very competetive and (b) because I will now have ot listend to people tell me how big he is getting and how much stronger he has gotten etc. (without knowing that he has help). I just sit there and think "yeah, if I was on shit I bet I could be twice as big and twice as strong.". So my first issue is.....what would happen if I were to introduce and anabolic/androgenic into my system?? I don't think that I will ever have the guts to do it but it kind of make me wonder.

2) I started to diet, just a little, for my contest (I need to be careful because I lose weight really fast for some reason). This girl comes up to me and says "wow, you look so small and skinny already.....didn't you just start dieting??" me "um, what??!!!!" her "you just look way skinny than a couple of weeks ago....but you look better now than you did when you were bigger." Thinking to myself "shut the fuck up......do you know what you are doing to me right now!!" So now I am thinking, is a contest really worth it if I have to lose wieght/size. I mean, I used to really be into body composition. But now it is like, "hey, who cares if I am a big fat sloppy mess, as long as I can lift heavy weights...that is all I care about." (maybe not that sloppy but you get the idea.) Maybe I should stop dieting and jsut try and work my way up to 220lbs and try and really lift heavy.

Who knows???

Maybe I am just crazy.

Rixmon · 01-20-2004, 02:05 PM

I like your 2c cottage cheese and a Apple meal

Looks like your hardcore man, Very nice

**P-funk** · 01-20-2004, 02:09 PM

thanks, trail. Cottage chees is my favorite. I add splenda and some cinnamon to it and it tastes almot like rice pudding (without the sugar).

**IainDaniel** · 01-20-2004, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by P-funk
Somethings happened today that made me a little crazy, made me think and kind of upset me:

1) I am all natural but I do have freinds that like to use juice. Now, one of my other friends, and sometimes training partner has jsut started doing pro hormones (probably would juice if it weren't for the needles) to get his strength and size up (I still consider pro-homrones steroids and people that use them not natural. However, my biggest issue with them is, if you are going to waste your money on that crap you may as well just go and get the real stuff and not beat around the bush). This pisses me off becasue (a) I am very competetive and (b) because I will now have ot listend to people tell me how big he is getting and how much stronger he has gotten etc. (without knowing that he has help). I just sit there and think "yeah, if I was on shit I bet I could be twice as big and twice as strong.". So my first issue is.....what would happen if I were to introduce and anabolic/androgenic into my system?? I don't think that I will ever have the guts to do it but it kind of make me wonder.

2) I started to diet, just a little, for my contest (I need to be careful because I lose weight really fast for some reason). This girl comes up to me and says "wow, you look so small and skinny already.....didn't you just start dieting??" me "um, what??!!!!" her "you just look way skinny than a couple of weeks ago....but you look better now than you did when you were bigger." Thinking to myself "shut the fuck up......do you know what you are doing to me right now!!" So now I am thinking, is a contest really worth it if I have to lose wieght/size. I mean, I used to really be into body composition. But now it is like, "hey, who cares if I am a big fat sloppy mess, as long as I can lift heavy weights...that is all I care about." (maybe not that sloppy but you get the idea.) Maybe I should stop dieting and jsut try and work my way up to 220lbs and try and really lift heavy.

Who knows???

Maybe I am just crazy.

Your kidding me right. I read your journal and envy your dedication and knowledge. If I could look back at the past year and see the progress that you have made I would be on cloud nine.

As for the PL or BB aspect, that decision is your, either way is an excellent choice, it comes down to what is more fulfilling to your lifestyle. Maybe even PLing for a while to help develop the muscle thickness and persue BB down the road.

Either way keep up the hard work. Remember what you have achieved so far.

BB and PL is a lifestyle, there is short term answer that will answer this for you.

Iain

**P-funk** · 01-20-2004, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Your kidding me right. I read your journal and envy your dedication and knowledge. If I could look back at the past year and see the progress that you have made I would be on cloud nine.

well, I am not saying that i am going to do it (although if I did I would have no shame in keeping my journal hinest and talking about it). I am just really curious right now as to what would happend and how far I could push myself if I took some stuff.

I appreciate the comments on my progress but let me give you an exaple of what I am talking about. I slowly gained all my weight, eating right all the time, never missing a workout, being completely consistent 24/7. Packed on about 50lbs in less than a year and really not that much fat. I have a freind that gained about 30lbs in a matter of a couple months by stacking tren and deca!!! he is huge now!!! I find it upseting that I have wokred so hard to make the same type of gains he has made in less time, with him eating a much less clean diet, and working out less frequntly/intensly and missing workouts. Now, if I took what he took, with my dedication and work ethic I am curious (as is he and most of my other friends) to see what would happen.

**IainDaniel** · 01-20-2004, 02:49 PM

I have no problem with you are anyone doing a cycle, to each there own.

I would personally feel alot better about myself knowing that I achieved these goals without any assistance.

I understand your curiousity and I myself have thought about ph's and AAS. But you are still achieving so much naturally, why not take advantage of that?

By no means am I suggesting that you shouldn't use AAS, that is your choice. I just thought your attitude about you achievements was poor, and thought I would call you out on that.

Here is some food for thought, I can't remember where I got this saying

If your mind can conceive it and your heart can believe it then you can achieve it.

**P-funk** · 01-20-2004, 03:22 PM

lol, great saying.

My probelm is no that I have a bad attitude about my achievments. The problem is that I am going to diet down and be about 170lbs ripped. That upests me becasue I feel like that is so small and it will take another half a year to get back to were I am now. I just want to make the gains and get as big as possible.....I never want to be skinny. I would rather be fat and chubby than skinny.

naturaltan · 01-20-2004, 03:24 PM

P-funk ... do what you think is right for you. I don't personally understand the using to get big just because one can, but that's just me. I'd kill to have a body like yours and know it's because of hard work and a constant clean diet.

Good luck in your decision. It does make one wonder what if, but that could come at a price - said with the reminder I know very little about steriods.

PreMier · 01-20-2004, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by P-funk
I slowly gained all my weight, eating right all the time, never missing a workout, being completely consistent 24/7. Packed on about 50lbs in less than a year and really not that much fat. I have a freind that gained about 30lbs in a matter of a couple months by stacking tren and deca!!! he is huge now!!! I find it upseting that I have wokred so hard to make the same type of gains he has made in less time, with him eating a much less clean diet, and working out less frequntly/intensly and missing workouts.

I absolutely understand what you are going through here. I have a freind that gained 30 lbs in 2 months off of a cycle, now he is as big as me

I have been lifting for years, and eating clean and working hard most of the time. To see someone come right in and nearly surpass you is quite upsetting to say the least.
I personally wont take any AAS untill I am 30+ yrs old, just because I am young and feel I dont need it. Plus without the magic juice where would your friend be at? It is a good feeling when someone asks "Are you on steroids?" and you can answer with an HONEST NO. Do whatever you want bro, but remember do it for YOURSELF, not to compete with others on AAS.

**Jodi** · 01-20-2004, 04:03 PM

Funky.................no, I will PM you tonight instead.

**P-funk** · 01-20-2004, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jodi
Funky.................no, I will PM you tonight instead.

lol, i like it when you blow me kisses......

*time to go back to work....talk to you guys later

*

Monolith · 01-20-2004, 09:20 PM

Well, P, whats more important to you? Do you lift because you enjoy it? Because its given you pleasure to watch how your hard work can craft your body into a piece of art? Or do you lift just to try and be "better" than the next guy? If its for the latter, then you should know that there will always be someone stronger or bigger than you.

If you start changing your exercise style because of outside pressure, then you'll only begin to resent it and the reasons for the change. Just step back and remember why youre lifting. What first got you into it.

Now, that said, there's nothing wrong with steroids or PH's - as long as youre taking them for the right reason. As you undoubtably know, the health risks increase twentyfold when you introduce anabolics. From your journals, you certainly look dedicated enough to track your health and remain on top of things... but do you want to take it that far? It sounds like youre just exasperated at watching other people cheat to get ahead. They arent as dedicated as you. They arent as disciplined as you. They dont have the drive to excell as you do - and it probably shows up in other aspects of their life as well.

Anyway, im kind of ranting here, but here's the cliffnoted version: Make sure you base your decision on what you want to do, not what other people think you should do.

**P-funk** · 01-21-2004, 01:13 PM

1/21 legs (light day)

worked legs today with my powerlifter friend so we did his workout (it was his light legs day also)

box squats (box was set 12in. from the floor)
wieght was light, reps were lowered to focus on explosiveness.
185x5x1
225x5x4

sldl (rep velocity was as fast and explsive as possible)
225x12x3

leg extensions
plate#4x40x3

45 degree calf raises
100x12x3
120x12x7
(underestimated and went to light here)

seated calf raises
3 plates x 12 x 10

lying external shoulder rotation
5lbs x 12 reps each shoulder x 3 sets

Okay, so hand this conversation with my buddy during our workout today...here is what he had to tell me:

me: Do you thihnk it is bad to do a cycle of steroids

him: no, I don't think steroids are bad and I don't think it is bad for people to do cycles

me: do you think it is bad for me though to try it?

him: no.............but, you are going to have to live the rest of your life knowing that you did steroids and you are not all natural and I don't think you can handle that. Patty (that is what my friends call me) look, you are going to get there, you will reach your goal weight whether you do that stuff or not. Next offseason you'll hit 210lbs and then the one after that a little higher. If you do that stuff it is not going to make that muich of a differenece execpt that you may get there faster and again, you have to live with the fact that you did it. Look at me, when I was 20 years old I tore my left hamstring so some guy on the powerlifting team gave me some deca and told me it would heal my hamsting. I was a stupid 20 year old so I took it. It worked for my hamstring and I gained a little weight. Then a few months later I tore the other hamstring. So, someone on the team gave me test and d-bol. I took it, whatever I was a stupid kid, I gained weight and put on some muscle. Let me tell you something, if you saw me when I was 20yrs old before I did any of that shit I was 230lbs. I am 35 now and I weight 245lbs. What the fuck was the big deal, it didn't make that much of a difference in the long run but I have to live with the fact that I did that shit. Just be patient, you'll get there and you will feel much better about it when you do.

Since I really respect this guys opions and he is such a great person I think I will stick with his advice.

ponyboy · 01-21-2004, 01:16 PM

That's good advice bro - listen to those who have been there and learn from their mistakes rather than making your own.

BTW you don't need juice you look freaking amazing without it. And that's coming from a guy.

**P-funk** · 01-21-2004, 01:21 PM

lol, thanks ponyboy.

**IainDaniel** · 01-21-2004, 01:23 PM

It is your decision, but glad you have a friend like that.

naturaltan · 01-21-2004, 03:03 PM

What your friend said was very logical and well put forth. He basically put it in your hands and he knowing you better than most here, understands where you're at with that line of thinking. Again, I don't know enough about using, but I think you made the right choice.

Triple Threat · 01-22-2004, 10:20 AM

Box squats? Great.

They should have a positive effect on both regular squats and deadlifts.

**P-funk** · 01-22-2004, 04:37 PM

1/22 shoulders (heavy)/arms (heavy)/abs

tried to not lift to heavy becasue my shoulder is still btohering me. Think I may have slightly dislocated it again (I have idslocated my left shoulder a couple of times befre.), just feels out of place.

Went moderate and didn't really try to do anything to hevay today.

push press RI=120sec
155x5x1
175x5x3

(should have gone well up over 200lbs for this exercise)

cambered bar curls RI=120sec
115x6x4

dumbell skull crushers RI=120sec
60x6x2
50x6x2

(these really upset my shoulder. didn't feel very stable so I dropped the weight a little on the third and fourth set)

reverse peck deck (horizontal grip) RI=60sec
165x6x2
180x6x2

standing dumbell lateral raises RI=60sec
30x6x4

superset RI=60sec
a) dumbell hammer curls (standing) 50x6, 55x5x2
b) tricep pressdown (done on lat pulldown machine) plate#8x6, plate#9x5x2

superset Ri=60sec
a) behind back barbell wrist curls 185x8
b) barbell reverse wrist curls 50x8

weighted decline crunches with ten russian twists at peack contraction on each rep RI=30sec
10lb plate x 5 x 5

superset RI=30sec
a) crunches with feet in air 20reps x 3 sets
b) reverse crunches 15reps x 3sets

**Prince** · 01-22-2004, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by P-funk
1/22 shoulders (heavy)/arms (heavy)/abs

standing dumbell lateral raises RI=60sec
30x6x4

this one surprises me, was this some sort of super set at the end of your shoulder work-out?

just curious cause by looking at all of your lifts you're pretty damn strong, but 30lb laterals should be very light for you.

**P-funk** · 01-22-2004, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Prince
this one surprises me, was this some sort of super set at the end of your shoulder work-out?

just curious cause by looking at all of your lifts you're pretty damn strong, but 30lb laterals should be very light for you.

yeah, this was super light, but like I said I was trying to go kind of light becasue of my shoulder pain. It was realy hurting when I was abducting my shoulder so I decided to just move a little bit of weight and play it safe until it gets back to normal.

M.J.H. · 01-23-2004, 07:24 AM

Some nice strength Patrick, impressive weights that you're throwing around. What are your stats, height/weight, etc.?

01-19-2004, 05:22 PM	#91
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,280	BODYBUILDING SUPPLEMENTS High Quality Supplements For Bodybuilders and Athletes. www.ironmaglabs.com 1/18 arms (light) I supposed to do some light shoulder work today also but on friday, when I was doing incline dumbell press, I kicked them back from my knee to start my set and pinched something in my left shoulder. Nothing seems to be torn, it seems that I just have an inflamed tendon. So I didn't do any shoulder work today, probably shouldn't have done arm work either. Been icing it and tomorrow is a rest day so that is most welcome. cable curl RI=60sec plate#8x30x3 dumbell skull crushers RI=60sec 40x20x2, 30x20 superset RI=60sec a) straight bar reverse curls 40x20x3 b) rope pressdowns plate#7x20x3 superset RI=60sec a) behind back barbell wrist curls 155x12x5 b) plate loaded gripper (2 hands at a time) 45x40x5 cardio: cybex arc trainer; hill intervals; level 8; 20min.
	http://pwtraining.blogspot.com/.....come and see what is on my mind! http://ivonneberkowitz.blogspot.com/....check out Ivonne's new blog! Optimum Sports Performance "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

01-20-2004, 01:56 PM	#93
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,280	1/20 back (heavy)/chest (light)/traps (heavy) wide grip pull ups bw + 25 x 4 x 2 RI=60sec bw + 50 x 3 x 1 bw + 50 x 2 x 1 RI=120sec (shouldn't have gone heavier....shoulder still a bot sore) neutral grip cable row RI=60sec plate#17x4 stack x 4 x 3 wide grip spider row (aka support row) RI=120sec 4 plates and one quarter plate x 4 x 3 explosive bench press 155 x 2 x 12 RI=10sec superset RI=60sec a)dumbell bench press 75x15, x 12, x 10 b)decline dumbell flyes 35x15, x12, x12 explosive shrugs 205x8x2 225x8 245x4 265x4 315x3x2 aside from the wide grip pull ups the shoulder felt okay. The light chest work didn't bother it and I made sure I was using light enough weight to not try and push it to hard. Somethings happened today that made me a little crazy, made me think and kind of upset me: 1) I am all natural but I do have freinds that like to use juice. Now, one of my other friends, and sometimes training partner has jsut started doing pro hormones (probably would juice if it weren't for the needles) to get his strength and size up (I still consider pro-homrones steroids and people that use them not natural. However, my biggest issue with them is, if you are going to waste your money on that crap you may as well just go and get the real stuff and not beat around the bush). This pisses me off becasue (a) I am very competetive and (b) because I will now have ot listend to people tell me how big he is getting and how much stronger he has gotten etc. (without knowing that he has help). I just sit there and think "yeah, if I was on shit I bet I could be twice as big and twice as strong.". So my first issue is.....what would happen if I were to introduce and anabolic/androgenic into my system?? I don't think that I will ever have the guts to do it but it kind of make me wonder. 2) I started to diet, just a little, for my contest (I need to be careful because I lose weight really fast for some reason). This girl comes up to me and says "wow, you look so small and skinny already.....didn't you just start dieting??" me "um, what??!!!!" her "you just look way skinny than a couple of weeks ago....but you look better now than you did when you were bigger." Thinking to myself "shut the fuck up......do you know what you are doing to me right now!!" So now I am thinking, is a contest really worth it if I have to lose wieght/size. I mean, I used to really be into body composition. But now it is like, "hey, who cares if I am a big fat sloppy mess, as long as I can lift heavy weights...that is all I care about." (maybe not that sloppy but you get the idea.) Maybe I should stop dieting and jsut try and work my way up to 220lbs and try and really lift heavy. Who knows??? Maybe I am just crazy.
	http://pwtraining.blogspot.com/.....come and see what is on my mind! http://ivonneberkowitz.blogspot.com/....check out Ivonne's new blog! Optimum Sports Performance "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

01-20-2004, 02:09 PM	#95
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,280	thanks, trail. Cottage chees is my favorite. I add splenda and some cinnamon to it and it tastes almot like rice pudding (without the sugar).
	http://pwtraining.blogspot.com/.....come and see what is on my mind! http://ivonneberkowitz.blogspot.com/....check out Ivonne's new blog! Optimum Sports Performance "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

01-20-2004, 02:49 PM	#98
IainDaniel My Role Model Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 15,137	I have no problem with you are anyone doing a cycle, to each there own. I would personally feel alot better about myself knowing that I achieved these goals without any assistance. I understand your curiousity and I myself have thought about ph's and AAS. But you are still achieving so much naturally, why not take advantage of that? By no means am I suggesting that you shouldn't use AAS, that is your choice. I just thought your attitude about you achievements was poor, and thought I would call you out on that. Here is some food for thought, I can't remember where I got this saying If your mind can conceive it and your heart can believe it then you can achieve it.
	Obstacles don't have to stop you. If you run into a wall, don't turn around and give up. Figure out how to climb it, go through it, or work around it. Michael Jordan

01-20-2004, 03:22 PM	#99
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,280	lol, great saying. My probelm is no that I have a bad attitude about my achievments. The problem is that I am going to diet down and be about 170lbs ripped. That upests me becasue I feel like that is so small and it will take another half a year to get back to were I am now. I just want to make the gains and get as big as possible.....I never want to be skinny. I would rather be fat and chubby than skinny.
	http://pwtraining.blogspot.com/.....come and see what is on my mind! http://ivonneberkowitz.blogspot.com/....check out Ivonne's new blog! Optimum Sports Performance "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

01-20-2004, 02:05 PM	#94
Rixmon Ex Sumo wrestler Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Osaka, Tokyo Posts: 182 Photos: 1	I like your 2c cottage cheese and a Apple meal Looks like your hardcore man, Very nice

01-20-2004, 03:24 PM	#100
naturaltan Going nowhere fast! Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 9,902 Photos: 7	P-funk ... do what you think is right for you. I don't personally understand the using to get big just because one can, but that's just me. I'd kill to have a body like yours and know it's because of hard work and a constant clean diet. Good luck in your decision. It does make one wonder what if, but that could come at a price - said with the reminder I know very little about steriods.
	just kick'in it in the ole Charger

01-20-2004, 04:03 PM	#102
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,180 Photos: 1	Funky.................no, I will PM you tonight instead.
	Essence EFA

01-20-2004, 09:20 PM	#104
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Well, P, whats more important to you? Do you lift because you enjoy it? Because its given you pleasure to watch how your hard work can craft your body into a piece of art? Or do you lift just to try and be "better" than the next guy? If its for the latter, then you should know that there will always be someone stronger or bigger than you. If you start changing your exercise style because of outside pressure, then you'll only begin to resent it and the reasons for the change. Just step back and remember why youre lifting. What first got you into it. Now, that said, there's nothing wrong with steroids or PH's - as long as youre taking them for the right reason. As you undoubtably know, the health risks increase twentyfold when you introduce anabolics. From your journals, you certainly look dedicated enough to track your health and remain on top of things... but do you want to take it that far? It sounds like youre just exasperated at watching other people cheat to get ahead. They arent as dedicated as you. They arent as disciplined as you. They dont have the drive to excell as you do - and it probably shows up in other aspects of their life as well. Anyway, im kind of ranting here, but here's the cliffnoted version: Make sure you base your decision on what you want to do, not what other people think you should do.
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01-21-2004, 01:13 PM	#105
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,280	1/21 legs (light day) worked legs today with my powerlifter friend so we did his workout (it was his light legs day also) box squats (box was set 12in. from the floor) wieght was light, reps were lowered to focus on explosiveness. 185x5x1 225x5x4 sldl (rep velocity was as fast and explsive as possible) 225x12x3 leg extensions plate#4x40x3 45 degree calf raises 100x12x3 120x12x7 (underestimated and went to light here) seated calf raises 3 plates x 12 x 10 lying external shoulder rotation 5lbs x 12 reps each shoulder x 3 sets Okay, so hand this conversation with my buddy during our workout today...here is what he had to tell me: me: Do you thihnk it is bad to do a cycle of steroids him: no, I don't think steroids are bad and I don't think it is bad for people to do cycles me: do you think it is bad for me though to try it? him: no.............but, you are going to have to live the rest of your life knowing that you did steroids and you are not all natural and I don't think you can handle that. Patty (that is what my friends call me) look, you are going to get there, you will reach your goal weight whether you do that stuff or not. Next offseason you'll hit 210lbs and then the one after that a little higher. If you do that stuff it is not going to make that muich of a differenece execpt that you may get there faster and again, you have to live with the fact that you did it. Look at me, when I was 20 years old I tore my left hamstring so some guy on the powerlifting team gave me some deca and told me it would heal my hamsting. I was a stupid 20 year old so I took it. It worked for my hamstring and I gained a little weight. Then a few months later I tore the other hamstring. So, someone on the team gave me test and d-bol. I took it, whatever I was a stupid kid, I gained weight and put on some muscle. Let me tell you something, if you saw me when I was 20yrs old before I did any of that shit I was 230lbs. I am 35 now and I weight 245lbs. What the fuck was the big deal, it didn't make that much of a difference in the long run but I have to live with the fact that I did that shit. Just be patient, you'll get there and you will feel much better about it when you do. Since I really respect this guys opions and he is such a great person I think I will stick with his advice.
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01-21-2004, 01:16 PM	#106
ponyboy Training Trainer Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Running around somewhere Posts: 2,608 Photos: 1	That's good advice bro - listen to those who have been there and learn from their mistakes rather than making your own. BTW you don't need juice you look freaking amazing without it. And that's coming from a guy.
	Today I can do what others will not so that tomorrow I will do what others cannot. The difference between winners and losers is that winners do things that losers don't want to do.

01-21-2004, 01:21 PM	#107
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,280	lol, thanks ponyboy.
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01-21-2004, 01:23 PM	#108
IainDaniel My Role Model Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 15,137	It is your decision, but glad you have a friend like that.
	Obstacles don't have to stop you. If you run into a wall, don't turn around and give up. Figure out how to climb it, go through it, or work around it. Michael Jordan

01-21-2004, 03:03 PM	#109
naturaltan Going nowhere fast! Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 9,902 Photos: 7	What your friend said was very logical and well put forth. He basically put it in your hands and he knowing you better than most here, understands where you're at with that line of thinking. Again, I don't know enough about using, but I think you made the right choice.
	just kick'in it in the ole Charger

01-22-2004, 10:20 AM	#110
Triple Threat ... Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lost Posts: 9,323 Photos: 4	Box squats? Great. They should have a positive effect on both regular squats and deadlifts.

01-22-2004, 04:37 PM	#111
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,280	1/22 shoulders (heavy)/arms (heavy)/abs tried to not lift to heavy becasue my shoulder is still btohering me. Think I may have slightly dislocated it again (I have idslocated my left shoulder a couple of times befre.), just feels out of place. Went moderate and didn't really try to do anything to hevay today. push press RI=120sec 155x5x1 175x5x3 (should have gone well up over 200lbs for this exercise) cambered bar curls RI=120sec 115x6x4 dumbell skull crushers RI=120sec 60x6x2 50x6x2 (these really upset my shoulder. didn't feel very stable so I dropped the weight a little on the third and fourth set) reverse peck deck (horizontal grip) RI=60sec 165x6x2 180x6x2 standing dumbell lateral raises RI=60sec 30x6x4 superset RI=60sec a) dumbell hammer curls (standing) 50x6, 55x5x2 b) tricep pressdown (done on lat pulldown machine) plate#8x6, plate#9x5x2 superset Ri=60sec a) behind back barbell wrist curls 185x8 b) barbell reverse wrist curls 50x8 weighted decline crunches with ten russian twists at peack contraction on each rep RI=30sec 10lb plate x 5 x 5 superset RI=30sec a) crunches with feet in air 20reps x 3 sets b) reverse crunches 15reps x 3sets
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01-23-2004, 07:24 AM	#114
M.J.H. Obsessed Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Delaware Posts: 3,587 Photos: 12	Some nice strength Patrick, impressive weights that you're throwing around. What are your stats, height/weight, etc.?
	Stats! 23 years old, 5'11.5", 206 lbs., ~8% bodyfat 380/455/655 bench/squat/deadlift (current) 405/495/675 bench/squat/deadlift (goals) The M.J.H. Chronicles

01-23-2004, 01:40 PM	#115
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