Determined

Jill · 02-07-2004, 08:10 PM

I hope I can-those no carb days are gonna kill me! 14/30 days are 'no', I hope its not to much. Im gonna try it out for the next few weeks. If the no carb days are leaving me hungry, week, "emotionally unstable"etc, I will adjust my days and no/low/high + workouts then. For now, this is the plan.

The salmon was amazing. I grabbed my slamon, put it on the scale-8.5oz. I put back 2.5, which I could have scarfed down in a matter of seconds.

**Jodi** · 02-07-2004, 08:14 PM

You wanted a tweak - there is your tweak

You can do it and your progress will pick up. BUT DO NOT SKIMP ON YOUR LOW OR HIGH CARB DAYS!

Jill · 02-07-2004, 08:19 PM

K-My low carb meal are ususlly p pancakes and fruit. Thats 1 cup dry oats etc..=63-67C for the total of the meal . Should I maybe add another 1/4 cup of oats to each meal? 13C?

**Jodi** · 02-07-2004, 08:41 PM

You need 1G C per Pound of BW divided into 2 meals because you eat 5 times per day. So that is why I keep saying you are NOT getting enough carbs on your low carb days.

I weight 128 so I eat 64G Carbs for 2 meals plus 1/2 apple and the other 3 meals are no carbs. Today I ate 6 times so 3 of my meals were carbs each having 43G plus 1/2 apple.

Divide your bw by 2 and that's what you should be eating for carbs plus 1/2 sm. fruit.

Jill · 02-07-2004, 08:56 PM

K-I can up those meals with more oats I guess. OUESTION: Normally I do 5 meals LC day, SOMETIMES If Im up at 5am, I have 6 meals that day. IF, that happens to be a LC day, can I have 3/6 carb meals, and divide my bw by 3? OR do should I stick with 2 carb meals divide my BW by 2? Get it?

Im debating going to 6 meals-then I would be at 1.5g of protein per pound of body weight. If I do should I lower my protein???

Dont count the fruit either eh? Unless I am real anal.

**Jodi** · 02-07-2004, 09:22 PM

If you want to do 6 meals then yes, divide bw by 3. I switch it around too. Sometimes 5 sometimes 6. I like doing 6 on carb days because then on low day I get 3 carb meals and high day I get 4 carb meals

How much protein do you get per meal right now?

Don't count the fruit.

Jill · 02-07-2004, 09:44 PM

Cool! Permission to switch it up a little!

I think Im gonna do 3 meals on low carb day occassionally, and sometimes on high days-Im actually really satisfied with 3 on high carb days.

Protein per meal is usually 32-38g.

DECIDED: 5-6 depending on how I feel that day, and what time I am up at.

**Jodi** · 02-07-2004, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jill
Cool! Permission to switch it up a little!

I think Im gonna do 3 meals on low carb day occassionally, and sometimes on high days-Im actually really satisfied with 3 on high carb days.

Protein per meal is usually 32-38g.

DECIDED: 5-6 depending on how I feel that day, and what time I am up at.

Stick to 30G per meal. That is all you need right now.

M.J.H. · 02-08-2004, 05:15 AM

Everything is looking good Jill, nice strict diet. Keep it up!

Jill · 02-08-2004, 09:39 AM

I just read in the paper today about a new 'low carb' grocery store that just opened up. Its like 2 mins away from my work!!! Im so excited Im going tomorrow-Tues is my high carb day!

atherjen · 02-08-2004, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jill
I just read in the paper today about a new 'low carb' grocery store that just opened up. Its like 2 mins away from my work!!! Im so excited Im going tomorrow-Tues is my high carb day!

your kidding me...right?

Jill · 02-08-2004, 11:45 AM

For real AJ! I wanna get lc milk, some sort of pasta/chicken sauce, and tortillias! Yummy, high carb day tues!

Jenny · 02-08-2004, 11:52 AM

Ooooh, I hate Sweden

We don't have aaaany low carb things here, people are still doing the low fat thing here

People in the gym business are finally catching up, but "normal people" have noooo clue

I want lc milk

Jill · 02-08-2004, 11:56 AM

Ill send ya some if I find it! (And it doesnt have to be refrigerated!

)

Jenny · 02-08-2004, 01:11 PM

Aww, that's a really sweet offer Jill, but I think it would be pretty nasty once it got here

I might make Justin bring some, he's already been giving a long shopping list of things to bring me

Are you no carbing today too? I'm sooooo tired today..

Jill · 02-08-2004, 01:17 PM

2 questions for ladies:

1.How many black olives can I have in a meal, if thats going to be my 'higher fat' meal? Can I have olives? You girls gotta me craving them like crazy!!

2. Tues is my planned leg/high carb day, havent had a high carb day in a week!! Instead of doing legs, I might (weather permitting) walk/run stairs, for about an hour. Im usually sore for about 2 days afterwards. WOULD this be okay??

atherjen · 02-08-2004, 01:20 PM

oHhh No look what I started! haha
black olive has 1g fat (9calories) per tablespoon.

hmmmmmm I dont know about that.... are you still going to train legs some other time in the week? if so then I say do-it-to'er!

Jill · 02-08-2004, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by atherjen

oHhh No look what I started! haha
black olive has 1g fat (9calories) per tablespoon.

hmmmmmm I dont know about that.... are you still going to train legs some other time in the week? if so then I say do-it-to'er!

Probably not-my legs are sore for a few days after running stairs. Maybe Ill save the stairs for another day.

We'll see what the 'big boss' says!

atherjen · 02-08-2004, 01:28 PM

ohh yes and exact info on the olives(black ones) for you:
1 cup, whole
14.02g fat (good fats)
8.92g carbs
4.4g fiber
1.29g fiber

Jill · 02-08-2004, 01:34 PM

He he-we are so alike. I just checked fitday too!!!! I think I would have to have them only on carb days at carb meals. (9C)

**Jodi** · 02-08-2004, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jill
2 questions for ladies:

1.How many black olives can I have in a meal, if thats going to be my 'higher fat' meal? Can I have olives? You girls gotta me craving them like crazy!!

2. Tues is my planned leg/high carb day, havent had a high carb day in a week!! Instead of doing legs, I might (weather permitting) walk/run stairs, for about an hour. Im usually sore for about 2 days afterwards. WOULD this be okay??

If your not doing a large muscle group workout save the High carb day for another time.

BTW - Don't get wrapped up in low carb products. Most of them are full of shit and are high fat.

aggies1ut · 02-08-2004, 01:53 PM

Heh, but man that milk to good stuff.

**Jodi** · 02-08-2004, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by aggies1ut
Heh, but man that milk to good stuff.

Oh the Carb Counters milk is great

FF and high protein and low sugar.

I'm talking about the low carb breads and tortilla's, bagels etc.. They are high in fat and usually not made with whole grains.

Jill · 02-08-2004, 02:05 PM

How about the olives Jodi???

Jill · 02-08-2004, 07:00 PM

02/08 LOW CARB DAY

MEAL 1
3/4 oats
1/2 cottage cheese
Protein
1 egg white
1/2 cup sliced strawberries
2 fishies
(28.5P, 49C, 2F)

~train

MEAL 2
3/4 oats
1/2 cottage cheese
Protein
1 egg white
1/2 cup sliced strawberries
(29.5P, 49C)

MEAL 3
Protein
3 fishies
(29P, 3F)

MEAL 4
3.5oz chicken breast
Lettuce
2 fishies
(30P, 2F)

MEAL 5
3/4 oats
1/2 cottage cheese
Protein
1 egg white
1/2 cup sliced strawberries
radishes
3 fishies
(29P, 49C)

**handfull of cashews, handfull of sunflower seeds. Hardly had any fat today anywase**

MEAL 6
1 yolk
6 whites
Spinach/fresh mushrooms
1TBS salsa
1 TBS nat pb
(28.5P, 13.5F)

WORKOUT: Chest, 30 or 40mins of cardio, I cant remember!!
DB Flys
17.5/10, 17.5/10, 20/10, 25/8, 25/7-drop-15/10
Incline DB
20/10, 25/8, 30/8, 30/8
Decline DB
20/10, 25/8, 25/8, 30/7
DB Press
25/10, 25/9, 30/7, 30/6-drop-15/10
Peckdeck
60/8, 60/6

I will probably be sore tomorrow, and a no carb day, aaaaa the pain! Im already liking the '6' meals, 3 carbs meals on a low carb day, oh so easy. But, 4 high carb meals, man am I gonna be stuffed! Actually, today was very satisfying, I will breeze through these next few weeks!

Bought 3 new protein flavors today! (just samples, wouldnt want to get stuck with a big jug of 'gross', as I have several in my cubbord) Ya new shakes for tomorrow! I saw a 'toffee/caramel' flavor-the guy at the store said he mixes that with 1/2 chocolate, and its real yummy.

greekblondechic · 02-08-2004, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jill

Bought 3 new protein flavors today! (just samples, wouldnt want to get stuck with a big jug of 'gross', as I have several in my cubbord) Ya new shakes for tomorrow! I saw a 'toffee/caramel' flavor-the guy at the store said he mixes that with 1/2 chocolate, and its real yummy.[/color][/size][/b]

that sounds DE-LISH! what brand/kind is it?

I have to read your journal for carb cycling ideas

**IainDaniel** · 02-08-2004, 07:26 PM

What do you mean by samplers ? (your PP)

Jill · 02-08-2004, 08:12 PM

Sample packets! They are like $2 at GNC. PVL-I got orange creamsicle, vanilla royal, and chocolate. (The strawberry banana rocks!) The nice thing about GNC is that if you buy ANYTHING, and dont like it, they will return it! I recently bought a jug of blueberry protein, let me tell you.

Had a few shakes, and took it back for a full refund. (I have a few different flavors of protein in my cubbord that I didnt buy from their which are nasty, now Im stuck with em!) They only have limited samples though.

sara · 02-08-2004, 08:17 PM

every store should return the protein if you not satisfied.. except on-line!

02-07-2004, 08:14 PM	#302
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,265 Photos: 1	You wanted a tweak - there is your tweak You can do it and your progress will pick up. BUT DO NOT SKIMP ON YOUR LOW OR HIGH CARB DAYS!
	Essence EFA

02-07-2004, 08:41 PM	#304
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,265 Photos: 1	You need 1G C per Pound of BW divided into 2 meals because you eat 5 times per day. So that is why I keep saying you are NOT getting enough carbs on your low carb days. I weight 128 so I eat 64G Carbs for 2 meals plus 1/2 apple and the other 3 meals are no carbs. Today I ate 6 times so 3 of my meals were carbs each having 43G plus 1/2 apple. Divide your bw by 2 and that's what you should be eating for carbs plus 1/2 sm. fruit.
	Essence EFA

02-07-2004, 09:22 PM	#306
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,265 Photos: 1	If you want to do 6 meals then yes, divide bw by 3. I switch it around too. Sometimes 5 sometimes 6. I like doing 6 on carb days because then on low day I get 3 carb meals and high day I get 4 carb meals How much protein do you get per meal right now? Don't count the fruit.
	Essence EFA

02-08-2004, 05:15 AM	#309
M.J.H. Obsessed Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Delaware Posts: 3,587 Photos: 12	Everything is looking good Jill, nice strict diet. Keep it up!
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02-08-2004, 01:20 PM	#317
atherjen DS Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: MS Posts: 5,757	oHhh No look what I started! haha black olive has 1g fat (9calories) per tablespoon. hmmmmmm I dont know about that.... are you still going to train legs some other time in the week? if so then I say do-it-to'er!
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02-07-2004, 08:10 PM	#301
Jill Back to reality Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Re-Motivated Posts: 5,861	I hope I can-those no carb days are gonna kill me! 14/30 days are 'no', I hope its not to much. Im gonna try it out for the next few weeks. If the no carb days are leaving me hungry, week, "emotionally unstable"etc, I will adjust my days and no/low/high + workouts then. For now, this is the plan. The salmon was amazing. I grabbed my slamon, put it on the scale-8.5oz. I put back 2.5, which I could have scarfed down in a matter of seconds.

02-07-2004, 08:19 PM	#303
Jill Back to reality Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Re-Motivated Posts: 5,861	K-My low carb meal are ususlly p pancakes and fruit. Thats 1 cup dry oats etc..=63-67C for the total of the meal . Should I maybe add another 1/4 cup of oats to each meal? 13C?

02-07-2004, 08:56 PM	#305
Jill Back to reality Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Re-Motivated Posts: 5,861	K-I can up those meals with more oats I guess. OUESTION: Normally I do 5 meals LC day, SOMETIMES If Im up at 5am, I have 6 meals that day. IF, that happens to be a LC day, can I have 3/6 carb meals, and divide my bw by 3? OR do should I stick with 2 carb meals divide my BW by 2? Get it? Im debating going to 6 meals-then I would be at 1.5g of protein per pound of body weight. If I do should I lower my protein??? Dont count the fruit either eh? Unless I am real anal.

02-07-2004, 09:44 PM	#307
Jill Back to reality Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Re-Motivated Posts: 5,861	Cool! Permission to switch it up a little! I think Im gonna do 3 meals on low carb day occassionally, and sometimes on high days-Im actually really satisfied with 3 on high carb days. Protein per meal is usually 32-38g. DECIDED: 5-6 depending on how I feel that day, and what time I am up at.

02-08-2004, 09:39 AM	#310
Jill Back to reality Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Re-Motivated Posts: 5,861	I just read in the paper today about a new 'low carb' grocery store that just opened up. Its like 2 mins away from my work!!! Im so excited Im going tomorrow-Tues is my high carb day!

02-08-2004, 11:45 AM	#312
Jill Back to reality Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Re-Motivated Posts: 5,861	For real AJ! I wanna get lc milk, some sort of pasta/chicken sauce, and tortillias! Yummy, high carb day tues!

02-08-2004, 11:52 AM	#313
Jenny Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 6,728	Ooooh, I hate Sweden We don't have aaaany low carb things here, people are still doing the low fat thing here People in the gym business are finally catching up, but "normal people" have noooo clue I want lc milk

02-08-2004, 11:56 AM	#314
Jill Back to reality Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Re-Motivated Posts: 5,861	Ill send ya some if I find it! (And it doesnt have to be refrigerated! )

02-08-2004, 01:11 PM	#315
Jenny Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 6,728	Aww, that's a really sweet offer Jill, but I think it would be pretty nasty once it got here I might make Justin bring some, he's already been giving a long shopping list of things to bring me Are you no carbing today too? I'm sooooo tired today..

02-08-2004, 01:17 PM	#316
Jill Back to reality Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Re-Motivated Posts: 5,861	2 questions for ladies: 1.How many black olives can I have in a meal, if thats going to be my 'higher fat' meal? Can I have olives? You girls gotta me craving them like crazy!! 2. Tues is my planned leg/high carb day, havent had a high carb day in a week!! Instead of doing legs, I might (weather permitting) walk/run stairs, for about an hour. Im usually sore for about 2 days afterwards. WOULD this be okay??

02-08-2004, 01:28 PM	#319
atherjen DS Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: MS Posts: 5,757	ohh yes and exact info on the olives(black ones) for you: 1 cup, whole 14.02g fat (good fats) 8.92g carbs 4.4g fiber 1.29g fiber
	" To dream anything you want to dream: That is the beauty of the human mind. To do anything you want to do: That is the strength of the human will. To trust yourself to test your limits: that is the courage to succeed." NPC Southern Classic, June 3rd NPC Cajun Classic, June 10th NPC Mississippi State July 22nd

02-08-2004, 01:34 PM	#320
Jill Back to reality Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Re-Motivated Posts: 5,861	He he-we are so alike. I just checked fitday too!!!! I think I would have to have them only on carb days at carb meals. (9C)

02-08-2004, 01:53 PM	#322
aggies1ut NorCal Elite Member* Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sacramento, Ca. Posts: 3,580 Photos: 19	Heh, but man that milk to good stuff.

02-08-2004, 02:05 PM	#324
Jill Back to reality Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Re-Motivated Posts: 5,861	How about the olives Jodi???

02-08-2004, 07:00 PM	#325
Jill Back to reality Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Re-Motivated Posts: 5,861	02/08 LOW CARB DAY MEAL 1 3/4 oats 1/2 cottage cheese Protein 1 egg white 1/2 cup sliced strawberries 2 fishies (28.5P, 49C, 2F) ~train MEAL 2 3/4 oats 1/2 cottage cheese Protein 1 egg white 1/2 cup sliced strawberries (29.5P, 49C) MEAL 3 Protein 3 fishies (29P, 3F) MEAL 4 3.5oz chicken breast Lettuce 2 fishies (30P, 2F) MEAL 5 3/4 oats 1/2 cottage cheese Protein 1 egg white 1/2 cup sliced strawberries radishes 3 fishies (29P, 49C) handfull of cashews, handfull of sunflower seeds. Hardly had any fat today anywase MEAL 6 1 yolk 6 whites Spinach/fresh mushrooms 1TBS salsa 1 TBS nat pb (28.5P, 13.5F) WORKOUT: Chest, 30 or 40mins of cardio, I cant remember!! DB Flys 17.5/10, 17.5/10, 20/10, 25/8, 25/7-drop-15/10 Incline DB 20/10, 25/8, 30/8, 30/8 Decline DB 20/10, 25/8, 25/8, 30/7 DB Press 25/10, 25/9, 30/7, 30/6-drop-15/10 Peckdeck 60/8, 60/6 I will probably be sore tomorrow, and a no carb day, aaaaa the pain! Im already liking the '6' meals, 3 carbs meals on a low carb day, oh so easy. But, 4 high carb meals, man am I gonna be stuffed! Actually, today was very satisfying, I will breeze through these next few weeks! Bought 3 new protein flavors today! (just samples, wouldnt want to get stuck with a big jug of 'gross', as I have several in my cubbord) Ya new shakes for tomorrow! I saw a 'toffee/caramel' flavor-the guy at the store said he mixes that with 1/2 chocolate, and its real yummy. Last edited by Jill : 02-08-2004 at 08:13 PM.

02-08-2004, 07:26 PM	#327
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02-08-2004, 08:12 PM	#328
Jill Back to reality Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Re-Motivated Posts: 5,861	Sample packets! They are like $2 at GNC. PVL-I got orange creamsicle, vanilla royal, and chocolate. (The strawberry banana rocks!) The nice thing about GNC is that if you buy ANYTHING, and dont like it, they will return it! I recently bought a jug of blueberry protein, let me tell you. Had a few shakes, and took it back for a full refund. (I have a few different flavors of protein in my cubbord that I didnt buy from their which are nasty, now Im stuck with em!) They only have limited samples though.

02-08-2004, 08:17 PM	#329
sara cRaZy!!! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Earth Posts: 6,304 Photos: 2	every store should return the protein if you not satisfied.. except on-line!