Jodi's TP-PT Journal

nikegurl · 04-16-2004, 02:33 PM

did you quit your morning coffee?

**Jodi** · 04-16-2004, 02:54 PM

Hell No!! I will NEVER get rid of my coffee.

Well except in last few weeks before competing.

greekblondechic · 04-16-2004, 02:57 PM

I hope you feel better soon!!!!

**Jodi** · 04-16-2004, 04:00 PM

Thank You Greeky. I hope you start feeling better as well.

Monolith · 04-16-2004, 04:01 PM

Jodi, do you supplement with anything that has a form of choline in it? Maybe in your multi?

If not, you might want to try that for the headaches.

**Jodi** · 04-16-2004, 04:15 PM

Yes, its in my multi. Thanks though, I appreciate it.

Tylenol is my best friend right now LOL!

**Jodi** · 04-16-2004, 04:18 PM

Although the GO really helped it this morning and there is Choline in that too I believe.

Monolith · 04-16-2004, 04:37 PM

The headache youre describing sounds similar to other headaches people have had from a choline shortage (after taking something that increases cholinergic activity, like piracetam, without a choline source). Even after stopping supplementation, the headache persists for several days.

If you took the GO, with choline, and it helped... maybe its a sign?

**Jodi** · 04-16-2004, 04:50 PM

I'm actually a bit concerned. I've had this same migraine for over a week now

Which is why I've stopped HEAT and a few other supps I've been taking. I'm trying to narrow it down. As it is right now the only things I'm on now is:
Multi Vit
Multi Min
Potassium
Cal/Mag
Fish Oil
SesaThin
The occassional dose of GO
Protein

I stopped everything else. It's always on the right side of my temple and its a constant pounding. It won't fucking go away

As much as I despise going to the doctor, if it doesn't go away soon I may have to

Cate · 04-16-2004, 04:58 PM

Feel betther Jodi

I posted a thread on leptigen on Supps....could you take a look if you get a chance?? Thanks so much. Also, any experiences youve had on it would be great....I'll check over there or you can PM me

Thanks!

PreMier · 04-16-2004, 05:00 PM

Dang Jodie, that sucks

Great w/o BTW

Monolith · 04-16-2004, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jodi
I'm actually a bit concerned. I've had this same migraine for over a week now

Which is why I've stopped HEAT and a few other supps I've been taking. I'm trying to narrow it down. As it is right now the only things I'm on now is:
Multi Vit
Multi Min
Potassium
Cal/Mag
Fish Oil
SesaThin
The occassional dose of GO
Protein

I stopped everything else. It's always on the right side of my temple and its a constant pounding. It won't fucking go away

As much as I despise going to the doctor, if it doesn't go away soon I may have to

Dunno...

Have you tried asking at avant, yet? I'd hate to explain to my doctor all the stuff im taking... he'd want to grill me for an hour.

**Jodi** · 04-16-2004, 07:00 PM

I talked to Dante about it and he suggested stopping the HEAT for now and I've done so. I just hope its nothing serious

**Jodi** · 04-16-2004, 07:05 PM

Meal 1:
1 Whole Egg
4 Egg White
1/4 FF LC Milk
1 Slice FF Cheese
1 SesaThin

Meal 2:
30G Protein
3 Celery Stalks
2 Fish

Meal 3:
4.5 oz. Buffalo Meatloaf
1 C. Green Beans
1.25 C. Oats
1/2 Apple

Meal 4:
Turkey Taco Meat
2 LC Tortillas
Refried Beans
2 LF SF Oatmeal Cookies
Couple Banana Chips

Asparagus
1/2 Apple

Meal 5:
1 C. 2% CC
10G Protein
Cinnamon/Splenda

**Jodi** · 04-16-2004, 07:08 PM

Phase 1, Day 4

2 BB Squats: 185x9, 185x9
2 Leg Ext: 135x8, 135x7
2 Incline BB Press: 105x9, 110x9
2 Cable Crossovers: 25x9, 30x9
2 Military DB Press: 30x9, 30x9
2 DB CG Bench: 40x9, 40x9
2 VBar Pressdown: 60x7, 55x9

Rocco32 · 04-17-2004, 05:23 AM

Nice W/O Jodi! I hope the headaches go away! I doubt its anything serious so don't worry about that but if it does keep up wouldn't hurt to get a CT Scan and MRI. Give it a few days though and see what laying off the HEAT does. Do you get dizzy or nauseas w/ the H/A?

JLB001 · 04-17-2004, 07:20 AM

Hope your headaches are gone today. Do you think it might be pesty people?

**Jodi** · 04-17-2004, 10:36 AM

LOL - Very well could be

Thanks Rock and Jodie.............unfortunately the pounding is still there. The GO really seems to dull it so for now I'm sucking that back as much as I can. I won't have insurance with my new job for another 7 or 8 weeks

So I really do hope this goes away soon. I feel great otherwise.

If it is a deficiancy in something, I'd love to figure out what it is and avoid the doctor.

Rocco32 · 04-17-2004, 10:38 AM

Hows your blood pressure? Have you tried exedrine Migraine? I really hope you feel better soon.

Monolith · 04-17-2004, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jodi
LOL - Very well could be

Thanks Rock and Jodie.............unfortunately the pounding is still there. The GO really seems to dull it so for now I'm sucking that back as much as I can. I won't have insurance with my new job for another 7 or 8 weeks

So I really do hope this goes away soon. I feel great otherwise.

If it is a deficiancy in something, I'd love to figure out what it is and avoid the doctor.

How long have you been off the HEAT now?

**Jodi** · 04-17-2004, 12:17 PM

I've been off of it for 3 days now. I'm thinking the HEAT has nothing to do with it.

Monolith · 04-17-2004, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jodi
I've been off of it for 3 days now. I'm thinking the HEAT has nothing to do with it.

But the migraines started right around the time you started using HEAT, right? Have you ever had them before?

**Jodi** · 04-17-2004, 05:26 PM

No

I'm almost positive they started before I started using HEAT.

Monolith · 04-17-2004, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jodi
No

I'm almost positive they started before I started using HEAT.

Oooooh... well then, forget everything ive been babbling about.

It's still strange that the GO seems to alleviate the symptoms...

atherjen · 04-17-2004, 07:19 PM

get better soon Jodi! headaches are a pain (no pun intended!)

Twin Peak · 04-17-2004, 09:52 PM

GO has caffiene, which, if she is suffering from lack of caffiene, would help.

It also has ALCAR which helps mental function and clarity.

Monolith · 04-17-2004, 10:35 PM

Jodi mentioned she's still drinking coffee, so i guess you could rule out the caffeine (unless its decaf

)... and its obviously not tyrosine.

That just leaves the ALCAR and the choline. I guess you could rule out the choline, since the headaches came back relatively soon after taking the GO... and i dont see how the choline would deplete that quickly without something increasing cholinergic activity?

That just leaves the ALCAR. So i guess you could test it this way... ALCAR has a metabolic half life of like 6 hours, right? Personally i can feel a ~2g dose begin to taper off after about 2-3 hours. So Jodi, how soon after taking the GO do the headaches come back?

maniclion · 04-18-2004, 01:55 AM

How much potassium are you taking? Potassium can cause blood pressure problems. Usually it's low potassium levels that cause headaches. Taking alot of diuretics and caffeine can drop your potassium levels though even if you are supplementing.

Jenny · 04-18-2004, 03:15 AM

Hey Jodi!
I'm sorry to hear about your migranes

Most of the time it is stress related, maybe you should take some more time to relax

Do you have any links for Sensathin and Heat? It sounds interesting

Feel better

04-16-2004, 02:33 PM	#91
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04-16-2004, 02:54 PM	#92
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,126 Photos: 1	Hell No!! I will NEVER get rid of my coffee. Well except in last few weeks before competing.
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04-16-2004, 04:00 PM	#94
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,126 Photos: 1	Thank You Greeky. I hope you start feeling better as well.
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04-16-2004, 04:01 PM	#95
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Jodi, do you supplement with anything that has a form of choline in it? Maybe in your multi? If not, you might want to try that for the headaches.
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

04-16-2004, 04:15 PM	#96
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,126 Photos: 1	Yes, its in my multi. Thanks though, I appreciate it. Tylenol is my best friend right now LOL!
	Essence EFA

04-16-2004, 02:57 PM	#93
greekblondechic I'm special :) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 7,792	I hope you feel better soon!!!!

04-16-2004, 04:18 PM	#97
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,126 Photos: 1	Although the GO really helped it this morning and there is Choline in that too I believe.
	Essence EFA

04-16-2004, 04:37 PM	#98
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	The headache youre describing sounds similar to other headaches people have had from a choline shortage (after taking something that increases cholinergic activity, like piracetam, without a choline source). Even after stopping supplementation, the headache persists for several days. If you took the GO, with choline, and it helped... maybe its a sign?
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

04-16-2004, 04:50 PM	#99
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,126 Photos: 1	I'm actually a bit concerned. I've had this same migraine for over a week now Which is why I've stopped HEAT and a few other supps I've been taking. I'm trying to narrow it down. As it is right now the only things I'm on now is: Multi Vit Multi Min Potassium Cal/Mag Fish Oil SesaThin The occassional dose of GO Protein I stopped everything else. It's always on the right side of my temple and its a constant pounding. It won't fucking go away As much as I despise going to the doctor, if it doesn't go away soon I may have to
	Essence EFA

04-16-2004, 04:58 PM	#100
Cate Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: St. Thomas on my honeymoon...in my mind Posts: 349 Photos: 1	Feel betther Jodi I posted a thread on leptigen on Supps....could you take a look if you get a chance?? Thanks so much. Also, any experiences youve had on it would be great....I'll check over there or you can PM me Thanks!
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04-16-2004, 05:00 PM	#101
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,013 Photos: 1	Dang Jodie, that sucks Great w/o BTW
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04-16-2004, 07:00 PM	#103
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,126 Photos: 1	I talked to Dante about it and he suggested stopping the HEAT for now and I've done so. I just hope its nothing serious
	Essence EFA

04-16-2004, 07:05 PM	#104
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,126 Photos: 1	Meal 1: 1 Whole Egg 4 Egg White 1/4 FF LC Milk 1 Slice FF Cheese 1 SesaThin Meal 2: 30G Protein 3 Celery Stalks 2 Fish Meal 3: 4.5 oz. Buffalo Meatloaf 1 C. Green Beans 1.25 C. Oats 1/2 Apple Meal 4: Turkey Taco Meat 2 LC Tortillas Refried Beans 2 LF SF Oatmeal Cookies Couple Banana Chips Asparagus 1/2 Apple Meal 5: 1 C. 2% CC 10G Protein Cinnamon/Splenda
	Essence EFA

04-16-2004, 07:08 PM	#105
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,126 Photos: 1	Phase 1, Day 4 2 BB Squats: 185x9, 185x9 2 Leg Ext: 135x8, 135x7 2 Incline BB Press: 105x9, 110x9 2 Cable Crossovers: 25x9, 30x9 2 Military DB Press: 30x9, 30x9 2 DB CG Bench: 40x9, 40x9 2 VBar Pressdown: 60x7, 55x9
	Essence EFA

04-17-2004, 05:23 AM	#106
Rocco32 UNLEASH THE BEAST Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 22,316 Photos: 18	Nice W/O Jodi! I hope the headaches go away! I doubt its anything serious so don't worry about that but if it does keep up wouldn't hurt to get a CT Scan and MRI. Give it a few days though and see what laying off the HEAT does. Do you get dizzy or nauseas w/ the H/A?
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04-17-2004, 07:20 AM	#107
JLB001 I see YOU!! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Houston Posts: 8,293 Photos: 5	Hope your headaches are gone today. Do you think it might be pesty people?
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04-17-2004, 10:36 AM	#108
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,126 Photos: 1	LOL - Very well could be Thanks Rock and Jodie.............unfortunately the pounding is still there. The GO really seems to dull it so for now I'm sucking that back as much as I can. I won't have insurance with my new job for another 7 or 8 weeks So I really do hope this goes away soon. I feel great otherwise. If it is a deficiancy in something, I'd love to figure out what it is and avoid the doctor.
	Essence EFA

04-17-2004, 10:38 AM	#109
Rocco32 UNLEASH THE BEAST Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 22,316 Photos: 18	Hows your blood pressure? Have you tried exedrine Migraine? I really hope you feel better soon.
	I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain...

04-17-2004, 12:17 PM	#111
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,126 Photos: 1	I've been off of it for 3 days now. I'm thinking the HEAT has nothing to do with it.
	Essence EFA

04-17-2004, 05:26 PM	#113
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,126 Photos: 1	No I'm almost positive they started before I started using HEAT.
	Essence EFA

04-17-2004, 07:19 PM	#115
atherjen DS Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: MS Posts: 5,757	get better soon Jodi! headaches are a pain (no pun intended!)
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04-17-2004, 09:52 PM	#116
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04-17-2004, 10:35 PM	#117
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Jodi mentioned she's still drinking coffee, so i guess you could rule out the caffeine (unless its decaf )... and its obviously not tyrosine. That just leaves the ALCAR and the choline. I guess you could rule out the choline, since the headaches came back relatively soon after taking the GO... and i dont see how the choline would deplete that quickly without something increasing cholinergic activity? That just leaves the ALCAR. So i guess you could test it this way... ALCAR has a metabolic half life of like 6 hours, right? Personally i can feel a ~2g dose begin to taper off after about 2-3 hours. So Jodi, how soon after taking the GO do the headaches come back?
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

04-18-2004, 01:55 AM	#118
maniclion Catalyst Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Hawaii, selling munitions for the war on EcoTerror Posts: 17,269 Photos: 10	How much potassium are you taking? Potassium can cause blood pressure problems. Usually it's low potassium levels that cause headaches. Taking alot of diuretics and caffeine can drop your potassium levels though even if you are supplementing.

04-18-2004, 03:15 AM	#119
Jenny Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 6,728	Hey Jodi! I'm sorry to hear about your migranes Most of the time it is stress related, maybe you should take some more time to relax Do you have any links for Sensathin and Heat? It sounds interesting Feel better

04-18-2004, 12:01 PM	#120
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