Pepper's (Leptigen) Rebirth

Pepper · 05-13-2004, 06:01 AM

Diet yesterday was really very good plus I worked in 45 minutes of cardio...

weighed in the AM at just under 289 lbs.

Monolith · 05-15-2004, 11:13 AM

Pepper · 05-18-2004, 09:00 AM

Diet has been pretty consistant and am back in the gym lifting after a week off. I did have a run in with a jar of natural PB, so my cals were higher than normal the last few days.

Weighed in at 289 this morning.

Order of Sesathin and Rebirth arrived today, so I am set for another couple of months.

I have been meaning to take updated photo and measurments but seem to have a meeting every single night. The PLAN is to do these things tonight.

Monolith · 05-18-2004, 09:03 AM

No weight gain after a few less than strict days is pretty good.

I got a question for ya... hows your libido been, Pepper? I swear, it seems like mine has increased the last few days.

Pepper · 05-18-2004, 09:23 AM

I'd have to say that my libido is normal. I don't know whether is is actually lower that it was pre-Sesathin, but it doesn't seem to be. I am still constantly pestering my wife to give it up.

Pepper · 05-21-2004, 06:51 AM

Weight 5/21: 288.8

Measurements attached.

I am not sure what to make of them.

The right bicep measurement should be ignored. I thought I had done it flexed until I noticed the change, so I did the left unflexed but forgot to go back to the right.

Twin Peak · 05-21-2004, 07:10 AM

If strength levels have not dropped off the chart, it looks like you have dropped in total bodyfat nicely.

I say this because while the stomach difference is not terrific the chest and neck loss is indicative of a far amount of bodyfat loss.

What is the weight difference?

Pepper · 05-21-2004, 07:18 AM

Weight on 4/19: 294.2
Weight on 5/21: 288.8

Down 5.4 lbs, which I guess is nothing to sneeze at as it is just over a lbs a week and that is my target. My software provides a chart of my current weight vs my "target" weight and the current weight line stays slightly below the target weight.

Pepper · 05-21-2004, 07:26 AM

My bench press is down since I started the diet, but has not decreased since I started this test. To be honest, that "problem" is more of a shoulder problem than anything else.

I set a personal high on leg press just this Tuesday.

Twin Peak · 05-21-2004, 08:18 AM

That all sounds very positive to me.

Pepper · 05-21-2004, 08:37 AM

I agree.

Liposuction or amputation are about the only things out there that will give me the weightloss results I want. I am a touch impatient about this. I have been at it over a year...but I keep telling myself, I was "at it" getting fat for much longer than that.

I am happy with this product...I order three more jugs of it as well as three bottles of sesathin.

Twin Peak · 05-21-2004, 08:50 AM

Glad you are enjoying them. Have they made following the diet any easier?

Monolith · 05-21-2004, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pepper
I have been at it over a year...but I keep telling myself, I was "at it" getting fat for much longer than that.

haha, ive used that same attitude when i get impatient.

Nice work on the weight loss though... especially with you setting a new PR in the gym!

Has your wife started using the sesathin yet? Hows she like it?

Pepper · 05-24-2004, 07:26 AM

Hey TP...what would be your thoughts on me starting a 1-AD cycle?

Completely up to you...I would not want to do anything that took away from the test.

My thought is that it would make the scales less relevant to judging progress and would make BF% much more important.

Twin Peak · 05-24-2004, 07:29 AM

How long have you been testing for?

You have given pretty good feedback so far, so I wouldn't mind much.

I'd say finish up either 4 or 6 weeks worth and then go for it.

Pepper · 06-01-2004, 12:58 PM

OK, I have not updated in a while and here's why. I asked TP if it would be OK for me to start a cycle of 1-AD. The truth is that I was really hoping he'd agree to it b/c I had already started. So, I have been on my cycle of 1-AD along with testing the Rebirth. Sorry about that but I had what I considered a very depressing moment in the gym on chest day. I used to routinely rep out 20x at 225 and that day I did 12. I was just depressed about it. So, decided it was time to emphasize my weight lifting if that cost me a little on the diet. However, fat loss was still a priority, just not the number one priority.

What is significant about this is that I responded to 1-ad like I have never responded to any supplement EVER. This will be my third 1-ad cycle with my last being in November of 2003. My strength immediate returned. I hit 20 reps (barely) on the 225, my legs are just HUGE. My arms are very, very tight. I have never seen anything like it.

I know this is not a 1-ad test, but I report it as part of the Rebirth test b/c I think it is worth noting how drastically different my response to 1-ad was while taking Rebirth. Is there a connection? I don't know. I don't understand the chemistry well enough to say. However, I will say this, I sure think there is a connection.

My weight shot right back up to 296 during the first week on 1-ad but has since return to the 290 - 292 range. I am definatley tighter and stronger.

I realize that I "cheated" somewhat by starting 1-ad w/o getting the approval. I apologize for that.

TP, what are your thoughts on a possible connection between the Rebirth and the unexpected effectiveness of prohormones.

Pepper · 06-01-2004, 01:01 PM

As for my diet the last 2 weeks, my calories were a tad higher but the meals were essentially the same, just more food. My calories were in the 2,800 range which is still a slight deficit for me (or should be

)

Monolith · 06-01-2004, 02:04 PM

Holy shit, Pepper... 225lbx20?

Youre a beast!

Nice weight loss, too. Have you compared yourself to the pics you took at the start of the evaluation? You look leaner?

Par Deus · 06-01-2004, 02:18 PM

Pepper,

At the biochemical/cell/molecular levels, Rebirth does a lot of things that should potentiate androgen use -- for a fairly overfat person (by bodybuilding standards -- i.e 15-20%+), it would be a lot like a thin person adding 1000 calories and 50g of protein to their diet, when they started the androgen.

Basically, it helps fix "Fed state" signalling, which is screwed up in endos and the overfat.

Likewise, in someone who is thin, who suddenly adds calories, they are going to get more anabolic activity (and, in endos, and morseo, in the overfat, their "Fed" signalling is disproportionately directed to anabolism of adipose tissue (which is bad

Pepper · 06-27-2004, 08:58 PM

Progress photo...not looking like much progress. Believe it our not, I think I look leaner. More and more people are commenting on it...However, this photo does not show it. Argghh. I had a few beers last night so maybe a little bloat?

05-13-2004, 06:01 AM	#61
Pepper Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,539	BODYBUILDING SUPPLEMENTS High Quality Supplements For Bodybuilders and Athletes. www.ironmaglabs.com Diet yesterday was really very good plus I worked in 45 minutes of cardio... weighed in the AM at just under 289 lbs.

05-15-2004, 11:13 AM	#62
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05-18-2004, 09:03 AM	#64
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	No weight gain after a few less than strict days is pretty good. I got a question for ya... hows your libido been, Pepper? I swear, it seems like mine has increased the last few days.
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05-21-2004, 07:10 AM	#67
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	If strength levels have not dropped off the chart, it looks like you have dropped in total bodyfat nicely. I say this because while the stomach difference is not terrific the chest and neck loss is indicative of a far amount of bodyfat loss. What is the weight difference?
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05-21-2004, 08:18 AM	#70
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	That all sounds very positive to me.
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05-18-2004, 09:00 AM	#63
Pepper Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,539	Diet has been pretty consistant and am back in the gym lifting after a week off. I did have a run in with a jar of natural PB, so my cals were higher than normal the last few days. Weighed in at 289 this morning. Order of Sesathin and Rebirth arrived today, so I am set for another couple of months. I have been meaning to take updated photo and measurments but seem to have a meeting every single night. The PLAN is to do these things tonight.

05-18-2004, 09:23 AM	#65
Pepper Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,539	I'd have to say that my libido is normal. I don't know whether is is actually lower that it was pre-Sesathin, but it doesn't seem to be. I am still constantly pestering my wife to give it up.

05-21-2004, 07:18 AM	#68
Pepper Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,539	Weight on 4/19: 294.2 Weight on 5/21: 288.8 Down 5.4 lbs, which I guess is nothing to sneeze at as it is just over a lbs a week and that is my target. My software provides a chart of my current weight vs my "target" weight and the current weight line stays slightly below the target weight.

05-21-2004, 07:26 AM	#69
Pepper Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,539	My bench press is down since I started the diet, but has not decreased since I started this test. To be honest, that "problem" is more of a shoulder problem than anything else. I set a personal high on leg press just this Tuesday.

05-21-2004, 08:37 AM	#71
Pepper Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,539	I agree. Liposuction or amputation are about the only things out there that will give me the weightloss results I want. I am a touch impatient about this. I have been at it over a year...but I keep telling myself, I was "at it" getting fat for much longer than that. I am happy with this product...I order three more jugs of it as well as three bottles of sesathin.

05-21-2004, 08:50 AM	#72
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	Glad you are enjoying them. Have they made following the diet any easier?
	www.DesignerSupps.com INTELLIGENT DESIGN™...lands on 1/1/2007 www.intelligentdesignmag.com

05-24-2004, 07:26 AM	#74
Pepper Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,539	Hey TP...what would be your thoughts on me starting a 1-AD cycle? Completely up to you...I would not want to do anything that took away from the test. My thought is that it would make the scales less relevant to judging progress and would make BF% much more important.

05-24-2004, 07:29 AM	#75
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	How long have you been testing for? You have given pretty good feedback so far, so I wouldn't mind much. I'd say finish up either 4 or 6 weeks worth and then go for it.
	www.DesignerSupps.com INTELLIGENT DESIGN™...lands on 1/1/2007 www.intelligentdesignmag.com

06-01-2004, 12:58 PM	#76
Pepper Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,539	OK, I have not updated in a while and here's why. I asked TP if it would be OK for me to start a cycle of 1-AD. The truth is that I was really hoping he'd agree to it b/c I had already started. So, I have been on my cycle of 1-AD along with testing the Rebirth. Sorry about that but I had what I considered a very depressing moment in the gym on chest day. I used to routinely rep out 20x at 225 and that day I did 12. I was just depressed about it. So, decided it was time to emphasize my weight lifting if that cost me a little on the diet. However, fat loss was still a priority, just not the number one priority. What is significant about this is that I responded to 1-ad like I have never responded to any supplement EVER. This will be my third 1-ad cycle with my last being in November of 2003. My strength immediate returned. I hit 20 reps (barely) on the 225, my legs are just HUGE. My arms are very, very tight. I have never seen anything like it. I know this is not a 1-ad test, but I report it as part of the Rebirth test b/c I think it is worth noting how drastically different my response to 1-ad was while taking Rebirth. Is there a connection? I don't know. I don't understand the chemistry well enough to say. However, I will say this, I sure think there is a connection. My weight shot right back up to 296 during the first week on 1-ad but has since return to the 290 - 292 range. I am definatley tighter and stronger. I realize that I "cheated" somewhat by starting 1-ad w/o getting the approval. I apologize for that. TP, what are your thoughts on a possible connection between the Rebirth and the unexpected effectiveness of prohormones.
	My Carb Cycling Progress - you can't hide from the numbers.

06-01-2004, 01:01 PM	#77
Pepper Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,539	As for my diet the last 2 weeks, my calories were a tad higher but the meals were essentially the same, just more food. My calories were in the 2,800 range which is still a slight deficit for me (or should be )
	My Carb Cycling Progress - you can't hide from the numbers.

06-01-2004, 02:04 PM	#78
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Holy shit, Pepper... 225lbx20? Youre a beast! Nice weight loss, too. Have you compared yourself to the pics you took at the start of the evaluation? You look leaner?
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

06-01-2004, 02:18 PM	#79
Par Deus Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 178	Pepper, At the biochemical/cell/molecular levels, Rebirth does a lot of things that should potentiate androgen use -- for a fairly overfat person (by bodybuilding standards -- i.e 15-20%+), it would be a lot like a thin person adding 1000 calories and 50g of protein to their diet, when they started the androgen. Basically, it helps fix "Fed state" signalling, which is screwed up in endos and the overfat. Likewise, in someone who is thin, who suddenly adds calories, they are going to get more anabolic activity (and, in endos, and morseo, in the overfat, their "Fed" signalling is disproportionately directed to anabolism of adipose tissue (which is bad
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