Rebirth

Monolith · 05-27-2004, 07:30 AM

AM training for 5/27: Quads/Grip

Squats - 185lbx10x8+2x6 155lbx6+2 135lbx8x7+1x6x6

Leg ext - 130lbx10x9x7 drop 70lbx4

Plate pinch - 20lbx70/55x60/50x50/40 (seconds, right/left)

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Still feeling a little under the weather today... runny nose/sore throat, etc. No way i was gonna miss another day in the gym, though. I began to feel nauseous by the last few sets of squats, which might have been due to me being sick (but i also did 8 working sets, which is 4 more than i normally do). Was gonna do some leg press, but just did a few sets on the leg ext to finish up. Didnt feel like starting the day by puking on someone.

Took some E/C as well.

stencil · 05-27-2004, 08:34 AM

Feel better, man... get some rest!

atherjen · 05-27-2004, 03:27 PM

rest up and hit it hard back in the gym when your well again! dont make yourself more ill!

**Jodi** · 05-27-2004, 03:47 PM

Feel better soon

Monolith · 05-27-2004, 04:09 PM

Thanks everyone

Im feeling quite a bit better now, actually, so im still gonna go in tonight to do back/traps.

Monolith · 05-27-2004, 07:29 PM

PM training for 5/27: Back/traps

One arm DB row - 95lbx10/9.5x7/6 90lbx6.5/5.5 85lbx6/5.5

CG tbar - 160lbx7 135lbx7x6x6

CG cable row - 120lbx7.5 100lbx10x8 drop 70lbx10

---

DB shrugs - 80lbx10x8 drop 60lbx6

Reverse smith shrugs - 160lbx10 drop 140lbx10 drop 90lbx10

---

Eh. Roughly the same as last week. Tried to bump up to the 95's for db rows, but i wasnt really feelin it. They tired me out pretty quick, had to drop the weight a bit. Shrugs were annoying, as i stupidly trained grip this AM, and after doing a bunch of grip-intense back exercises it felt like my hands were coated with vaseline.

Oh well. Took another shot of E/C before i went in.

May get 7 meals in today, since i got up earlier than normal.

Also, im currently perusing 1fast, putting together an order... their PH section is quite tempting.

With a shelf life of at least 1-2 years, how can i resist?

PreMier · 05-27-2004, 07:32 PM

Mono. If you order some PS's or PH's, order in the bulk powder form. Have them vacuum seal it(extra couple of dollars) and then toss it in your freezer. Will last arounf 10 years

How do you know what its like to haev your hands coated in Vaseline?

Nice workout man

Monolith · 05-27-2004, 07:47 PM

lmao

Yeah, i was thinking of buying the bulk powders... but i figure if i really get into anabolic use, ill just go the injectible route. Cheaper and easier on the liver.

PreMier · 05-27-2004, 07:52 PM

Yea, so true. I havent even seen how much you would need to buy(M-1T) but for only 10$ a bottle, you cant loose either way.

Monolith · 05-27-2004, 07:54 PM

Yeah, ive got a couple bottles of M1T in my cart. And some M4OHN... some S1+ somehow found its way in there too.

Oh hey, there's some M5AA, too! Silly little buggers...

PreMier · 05-27-2004, 07:54 PM

EDIT:

Actually, looks as if they dont even sell M-1T in bulk..

Monolith · 05-27-2004, 08:08 PM

Yeah, most of the designer crap you cant get in bulk.

Half this shit im probably not going to use anyway, hell, ive yet to do a clean bulk... and ive been training consistently for a year and a half now (thanks, 18 years of sugar and soda!).

Im not sure what i want to do once im done with this eval. Ive become really interested in dopamine lately, since a lot of my depression symptoms seem to correlate with f'd up dopamine (the negative symptoms for schizophrenia are actually spot on for me, as scary as that is). Combine that with all the attention dopaminergics have gotten over the past few months in relation to body comp, and theyre really tempting me to play with them.

Just need to read up s'more before i jump in.

There's a few other things im interested in trying... mostly diet wise. I'd like to try out Lyle'd UD 2.0, or even some stupid shit, like a 6k cal day/0k cal day cycle... just for shits and giggles. Something fun to break the monotony of my endless cutting.

PreMier · 05-27-2004, 08:13 PM

Well, I suggest reading up if you are going to dabble in anything foreign. Which I am sure you do. You seem pretty fuckin smart to me when it comes to certian supplements. Just wait untill winter, then maybe start a clean bulk?

Monolith · 05-27-2004, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PreMier
Well, I suggest reading up if you are going to dabble in anything foreign. Which I am sure you do. You seem pretty fuckin smart to me when it comes to certian supplements. Just wait untill winter, then maybe start a clean bulk?

lol, nah, im actually pretty clueless when it comes to supps. I just read and regurgitate the info later... and not always accurately.

Places like Avant, Lyle's board, CEM... those are the friggin encyclopedia's of the supplement world.

Yeah, i may just go ahead and bulk this winter. I really should do a bulk without any excessive supplementation just to get a baseline. A 2 week bulk counts, right?

Monolith · 05-28-2004, 07:08 PM

Training for 5/28: Shoulders/Triceps

Standing BB mil press - 95lbx8x6x4

Upright row - 90lbx10x7.5 80lbx8 60lbx10

Reverse pec dec - 70lbx10x7 50lbx8

Cybex lateral raise - 100lbx8 80lbx7.5 60lbx8 50lbx10

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Dips - BWx9x5.5 -60lbx8 -80lbx8 (- = assisted weight)

Uni cable tri pushdowns - 40lbx10x10/9x9/8 (right/left)

O/H DB ext - 20lbx10/7 15lbx11/10x10/8

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Somethin's screwy, because my sleep was messed up again last night. Kept waking up every couple hours. Eh.

No carb day today. Energy was kind of lacking.

Rebirth/Sesathin use continues. Libido is down, but is still higher than it was a couple weeks ago (although thats not saying much).

Monolith · 05-29-2004, 02:48 PM

Training for 5/29: Hams/Calves/Abs

SLDL - 225lbx10x8x6x6

Lying curl - 120lbx12x6 90lbx9x6

3 sets calf raises

6 sets weighted crunches

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Weights are consistent with last week.

atherjen · 05-29-2004, 02:57 PM

Mono excellent standing military yestarday and kick butt SL deads today!

Strength is pretty good lately eh?

Monolith · 05-29-2004, 03:19 PM

Not really :/

Standing mil's are off by a few reps from a couple months ago, although i expect them to get back up to where they were in the next couple weeks since i just havent done them in a while. SLDL's were alright... weights been stagnant, though.

If the weight keeps dropping at ~2lbs/week, though, i cant complain.

Monolith · 05-31-2004, 08:00 AM

Stats for 5/31:

Stomach - 38.6"
Right arm - 16.25"
Left arm - 16.1"
Right quad - 25.3"
Left quad - 25.3"
Neck - 16.15"
BW - 228lbs
BF - ~18%

Down 1.5lbs from last week. Stomach, neck, and arms all dropped by a hair. Quads were down 1/5-1/3". BF guesstimation seems to put me down by another %.

Strength from last week seems to have decreased mildly in chest and biceps.
Strength from last week seems to have increased mildly in quads and abs.
Strength from last week seems to have stayed roughly the same in hams, back, shoulders, and tri's.

atherjen · 05-31-2004, 08:27 AM

Right on!! Progress is defintily at a good rate now Mono!

how are you feeling?

Quote:

Strength from last week seems to have decreased mildly in chest and biceps.
Strength from last week seems to have increased mildly in quads and abs.
Strength from last week seems to have stayed roughly the same in hams, back, shoulders, and tri's.

ohhh my dear head! lol just had to word it like that didnt you!

Monolith · 05-31-2004, 12:10 PM

Thanks, Jen. Im somewhat disappointed at my measurements - they dont seem to change consistently from week to week.

Anyway, my gym was closed today for memorial day, so it looks like im gonna do another AM/PM w/o on thursday to make up for it.

**Mudge** · 05-31-2004, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monolith

Got a copy of my lab results today.

Testosterone is 480 ng/dl.

I've seen much much lower, thats not too bad. One guy (one nut) scores a 180 and another guy scored something in the 240 range and would not be given HRT still, these aren't old men either. Mr 1Nut is my age, the other guy is 22 I think.

Monolith · 05-31-2004, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mudge

I've seen much much lower, thats not too bad. One guy (one nut) scores a 180 and another guy scored something in the 240 range and would not be given HRT still, these aren't old men either. Mr 1Nut is my age, the other guy is 22 I think.

Yeah, its higher than i thought it would be, but still, ive seen reference ranges for males my age (20) up in the 700-800 range.

The prolactin is friggin weird, too. It's not hyperprolactinemia, but its still elevated. I wish there were an easier way to get blood tested... it takes months if i go through my doctor (getting them to actually do a blood test, setting up an appointment, wrestling with them to send me a copy of the results, etc...).

Id like to try bromo, see how it effects my blood levels. 5mg would probably drop me right into the normal range. Im thinking it would help my atypically shitty libido, as well.

**Mudge** · 05-31-2004, 01:57 PM

You can do it yourself outside of getting it through your doctor.

http://www.health-tests-direct.com/
www.lef.org

Monolith · 06-01-2004, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mudge

You can do it yourself outside of getting it through your doctor.

http://www.health-tests-direct.com/
www.lef.org

Eugh. Thats expensive. :/ Maybe im better off just harrassing my doctor every few weeks.

Monolith · 06-01-2004, 12:01 PM

Training for 6/1: Chest/Biceps

BB bench - 205lbx6x4x3 185lbx6

Incline DB - 65lbx8x4 60lbx5x4

Cable xover - 40lbx12x10

---

Alt DB curl - 35lbx9x5 30lbx5

Hammer DB - 25lbx8x6 20lbx8

BB curl - 60lbx7x5

---

Got 205 for 6 on the bench today, which was nice. Up a rep from last week. I actually got 7, but had a bit of help on the last rep from a spotter. Didnt have a spotter for the next 2 sets so i didnt push it.

Biceps are still weak as shit. Nothin new there.

Goin in to see my shrink today. I'm gonna see if i can finagle a script for bromo or pergolide.

Monolith · 06-01-2004, 07:28 PM

Bleh. Got me some wellbutrin... not exactly what i was looking for, but whatever.

I tried explaining my reasoning for wanting to try a dopamine agonist (from a psychological perspective, without even mentioning its body comp effects), and he said "oh ok, well lets try this first."

Maybe my methodology is just wrong? I know some avant-heads read this ocassionaly, maybe theyd have some insight...

A lot of my depression-like symptoms align perfectly with the negative symptoms of schizophrenia. Stuff like emotional blunting, ADD, etc. All of that is related to decreased DA activity in the frontal cortex. Combine that with my somewhat elevated prolactin, and i think all signs point to "your dopamine is fucked." From what little reading ive done, it seems like the frontal cortex - and more specifically the mesocortical dopaminergic pathway - is populated mainly by D1 and D5 receptors (and some D2). The tuberoinfundibular pathway, projecting to the hypothalamus (and regulating prolactin), is mostly D2. So wouldnt a drug like pergolide be right up my alley, disregarding its use as a body comp supplement? It has D1 and D2 agonist activity, and it looks like some D5 activity too.

Am i insane? Should i just stick to what the shrink is telling me? Or is there some validity to ^?

PreMier · 06-01-2004, 07:34 PM

Sounds like a valid point to me, but I really dont know shit

I have a hard time with biceps too. Keep hittin them, and they will grow. Have you thought about increasing sets and reps? My arms respond to higher volume I think.

05-27-2004, 07:30 AM	#331
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	AM training for 5/27: Quads/Grip Squats - 185lbx10x8+2x6 155lbx6+2 135lbx8x7+1x6x6 Leg ext - 130lbx10x9x7 drop 70lbx4 Plate pinch - 20lbx70/55x60/50x50/40 (seconds, right/left) --- Still feeling a little under the weather today... runny nose/sore throat, etc. No way i was gonna miss another day in the gym, though. I began to feel nauseous by the last few sets of squats, which might have been due to me being sick (but i also did 8 working sets, which is 4 more than i normally do). Was gonna do some leg press, but just did a few sets on the leg ext to finish up. Didnt feel like starting the day by puking on someone. Took some E/C as well.
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

05-27-2004, 03:27 PM	#333
atherjen DS Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: MS Posts: 5,757	rest up and hit it hard back in the gym when your well again! dont make yourself more ill!
	" To dream anything you want to dream: That is the beauty of the human mind. To do anything you want to do: That is the strength of the human will. To trust yourself to test your limits: that is the courage to succeed." NPC Southern Classic, June 3rd NPC Cajun Classic, June 10th NPC Mississippi State July 22nd

05-27-2004, 03:47 PM	#334
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,265 Photos: 1	Feel better soon
	Essence EFA

05-27-2004, 04:09 PM	#335
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Thanks everyone Im feeling quite a bit better now, actually, so im still gonna go in tonight to do back/traps.
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

05-27-2004, 07:29 PM	#336
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	PM training for 5/27: Back/traps One arm DB row - 95lbx10/9.5x7/6 90lbx6.5/5.5 85lbx6/5.5 CG tbar - 160lbx7 135lbx7x6x6 CG cable row - 120lbx7.5 100lbx10x8 drop 70lbx10 --- DB shrugs - 80lbx10x8 drop 60lbx6 Reverse smith shrugs - 160lbx10 drop 140lbx10 drop 90lbx10 --- Eh. Roughly the same as last week. Tried to bump up to the 95's for db rows, but i wasnt really feelin it. They tired me out pretty quick, had to drop the weight a bit. Shrugs were annoying, as i stupidly trained grip this AM, and after doing a bunch of grip-intense back exercises it felt like my hands were coated with vaseline. Oh well. Took another shot of E/C before i went in. May get 7 meals in today, since i got up earlier than normal. Also, im currently perusing 1fast, putting together an order... their PH section is quite tempting. With a shelf life of at least 1-2 years, how can i resist?
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

05-27-2004, 08:34 AM	#332
stencil Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: New York, NY Posts: 135 Photos: 1	Feel better, man... get some rest!

05-27-2004, 07:32 PM	#337
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,083 Photos: 2	Mono. If you order some PS's or PH's, order in the bulk powder form. Have them vacuum seal it(extra couple of dollars) and then toss it in your freezer. Will last arounf 10 years How do you know what its like to haev your hands coated in Vaseline? Nice workout man
	P-side Inc. "the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

05-27-2004, 07:47 PM	#338
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	lmao Yeah, i was thinking of buying the bulk powders... but i figure if i really get into anabolic use, ill just go the injectible route. Cheaper and easier on the liver.
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

05-27-2004, 07:52 PM	#339
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,083 Photos: 2	Yea, so true. I havent even seen how much you would need to buy(M-1T) but for only 10$ a bottle, you cant loose either way.
	P-side Inc. "the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

05-27-2004, 07:54 PM	#340
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Yeah, ive got a couple bottles of M1T in my cart. And some M4OHN... some S1+ somehow found its way in there too. Oh hey, there's some M5AA, too! Silly little buggers...
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

05-27-2004, 07:54 PM	#341
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,083 Photos: 2	EDIT: Actually, looks as if they dont even sell M-1T in bulk..
	P-side Inc. "the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

05-27-2004, 08:08 PM	#342
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Yeah, most of the designer crap you cant get in bulk. Half this shit im probably not going to use anyway, hell, ive yet to do a clean bulk... and ive been training consistently for a year and a half now (thanks, 18 years of sugar and soda!). Im not sure what i want to do once im done with this eval. Ive become really interested in dopamine lately, since a lot of my depression symptoms seem to correlate with f'd up dopamine (the negative symptoms for schizophrenia are actually spot on for me, as scary as that is). Combine that with all the attention dopaminergics have gotten over the past few months in relation to body comp, and theyre really tempting me to play with them. Just need to read up s'more before i jump in. There's a few other things im interested in trying... mostly diet wise. I'd like to try out Lyle'd UD 2.0, or even some stupid shit, like a 6k cal day/0k cal day cycle... just for shits and giggles. Something fun to break the monotony of my endless cutting.
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

05-27-2004, 08:13 PM	#343
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,083 Photos: 2	Well, I suggest reading up if you are going to dabble in anything foreign. Which I am sure you do. You seem pretty fuckin smart to me when it comes to certian supplements. Just wait untill winter, then maybe start a clean bulk?
	P-side Inc. "the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

05-28-2004, 07:08 PM	#345
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Training for 5/28: Shoulders/Triceps Standing BB mil press - 95lbx8x6x4 Upright row - 90lbx10x7.5 80lbx8 60lbx10 Reverse pec dec - 70lbx10x7 50lbx8 Cybex lateral raise - 100lbx8 80lbx7.5 60lbx8 50lbx10 --- Dips - BWx9x5.5 -60lbx8 -80lbx8 (- = assisted weight) Uni cable tri pushdowns - 40lbx10x10/9x9/8 (right/left) O/H DB ext - 20lbx10/7 15lbx11/10x10/8 --- Somethin's screwy, because my sleep was messed up again last night. Kept waking up every couple hours. Eh. No carb day today. Energy was kind of lacking. Rebirth/Sesathin use continues. Libido is down, but is still higher than it was a couple weeks ago (although thats not saying much).
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

05-29-2004, 02:48 PM	#346
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Training for 5/29: Hams/Calves/Abs SLDL - 225lbx10x8x6x6 Lying curl - 120lbx12x6 90lbx9x6 3 sets calf raises 6 sets weighted crunches --- Weights are consistent with last week.
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

05-29-2004, 02:57 PM	#347
atherjen DS Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: MS Posts: 5,757	Mono excellent standing military yestarday and kick butt SL deads today! Strength is pretty good lately eh?
	" To dream anything you want to dream: That is the beauty of the human mind. To do anything you want to do: That is the strength of the human will. To trust yourself to test your limits: that is the courage to succeed." NPC Southern Classic, June 3rd NPC Cajun Classic, June 10th NPC Mississippi State July 22nd

05-29-2004, 03:19 PM	#348
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Not really :/ Standing mil's are off by a few reps from a couple months ago, although i expect them to get back up to where they were in the next couple weeks since i just havent done them in a while. SLDL's were alright... weights been stagnant, though. If the weight keeps dropping at ~2lbs/week, though, i cant complain.
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

05-31-2004, 08:00 AM	#349
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Stats for 5/31: Stomach - 38.6" Right arm - 16.25" Left arm - 16.1" Right quad - 25.3" Left quad - 25.3" Neck - 16.15" BW - 228lbs BF - ~18% Down 1.5lbs from last week. Stomach, neck, and arms all dropped by a hair. Quads were down 1/5-1/3". BF guesstimation seems to put me down by another %. Strength from last week seems to have decreased mildly in chest and biceps. Strength from last week seems to have increased mildly in quads and abs. Strength from last week seems to have stayed roughly the same in hams, back, shoulders, and tri's.
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

05-31-2004, 12:10 PM	#351
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Thanks, Jen. Im somewhat disappointed at my measurements - they dont seem to change consistently from week to week. Anyway, my gym was closed today for memorial day, so it looks like im gonna do another AM/PM w/o on thursday to make up for it.
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

05-31-2004, 01:57 PM	#354
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	You can do it yourself outside of getting it through your doctor. http://www.health-tests-direct.com/ www.lef.org

06-01-2004, 12:01 PM	#356
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Training for 6/1: Chest/Biceps BB bench - 205lbx6x4x3 185lbx6 Incline DB - 65lbx8x4 60lbx5x4 Cable xover - 40lbx12x10 --- Alt DB curl - 35lbx9x5 30lbx5 Hammer DB - 25lbx8x6 20lbx8 BB curl - 60lbx7x5 --- Got 205 for 6 on the bench today, which was nice. Up a rep from last week. I actually got 7, but had a bit of help on the last rep from a spotter. Didnt have a spotter for the next 2 sets so i didnt push it. Biceps are still weak as shit. Nothin new there. Goin in to see my shrink today. I'm gonna see if i can finagle a script for bromo or pergolide.
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

06-01-2004, 07:28 PM	#357
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Bleh. Got me some wellbutrin... not exactly what i was looking for, but whatever. I tried explaining my reasoning for wanting to try a dopamine agonist (from a psychological perspective, without even mentioning its body comp effects), and he said "oh ok, well lets try this first." Maybe my methodology is just wrong? I know some avant-heads read this ocassionaly, maybe theyd have some insight... A lot of my depression-like symptoms align perfectly with the negative symptoms of schizophrenia. Stuff like emotional blunting, ADD, etc. All of that is related to decreased DA activity in the frontal cortex. Combine that with my somewhat elevated prolactin, and i think all signs point to "your dopamine is fucked." From what little reading ive done, it seems like the frontal cortex - and more specifically the mesocortical dopaminergic pathway - is populated mainly by D1 and D5 receptors (and some D2). The tuberoinfundibular pathway, projecting to the hypothalamus (and regulating prolactin), is mostly D2. So wouldnt a drug like pergolide be right up my alley, disregarding its use as a body comp supplement? It has D1 and D2 agonist activity, and it looks like some D5 activity too. Am i insane? Should i just stick to what the shrink is telling me? Or is there some validity to ^?
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

06-01-2004, 07:34 PM	#358
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,083 Photos: 2	Sounds like a valid point to me, but I really dont know shit I have a hard time with biceps too. Keep hittin them, and they will grow. Have you thought about increasing sets and reps? My arms respond to higher volume I think.
	P-side Inc. "the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.