PreMier

Thats odd... Glad you feel better now.

When I feel like shit, I blame it on my little sister, and tell her she is a punk haha! I would never know about all the "possibles". You know, sometimes certian things have a simple explanation

P-side Inc.

"the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

Jodi

It's all that shit your taking.

Essence EFA

Monolith

Leave my shit alone! I <3 chemicals.

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Monolith

Training for 6/18: Shoulders/Triceps

Standing BB mil - 3 sets
95lbx10
95lbx6
95lbx5.5

Seated DB mil - 2 sets
45lbx5
40lbx5

Cable front raise - 2 sets
30lbx8.5
20lbx10

Cable side raise - 2 sets
20lbx9
20lbx7

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CG bench - 3 sets
135lbx9
135lbx6
115lbx8

Unilateral cable pushdown - 3 sets
50lbx10
50lbx8.5/8 (right/left)
40lbx10.5/9.5

O/H DB ext - 3 sets
25lbx6/5
20lbx8/7
20lbx7/6

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Same old same old. No carb day. Diets been good. Feeling much better after wednesdays little trippy experience. Libido has increased, although that could also be from the wellbutrin.

I keep finding myself going for the tub of rebirth 20-30 minutes before each meal... only to find an empty space.

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Monolith

Training for 6/19: Hams, Calves, Abs

SLDL - 7 sets
315lbx2
315lbx2
315lbx2
225lbx4
225lbx4
225lbx4
225lbx4

Cable machine crunch - 5 sets
50lbx12
50lbx8
40lbx11
40lbx9
40lbx7

Standing calf raise - 4 sets
160lbx8
160lbx8
160lbx8
160lbx8

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Eh, just kind of screwing around today. Tried picking a weight where i could keep the reps consistent each set. Was about a rep short of failure by the last set. Felt alright.

Grip was much better today, too... i could actually hold on to 315 for more than 5 seconds.

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Monolith

Well, this pretty much ends my rebirth/sesathin evaluation. 8 weeks of product use, with one final week as comparison.

For the first 2 weeks - 4/19 to 5/3 - my diet stayed the same as it was before i started the evaluation (right around maintenance), and weightloss didnt seem to increase all that much. In the first 2 weeks, i lost half an inch off the gut, gained around a 1/5" on each quad, gained 1/4" on the neck, and gained half a pound. BF% didnt appear to change at all, however throughout this eval it was taken using only 3 points, and im still not completely consistent with my readings. Weights in the gym seemed to stay the same or increase (very) slightly.

After those first 2 weeks, i switched a low carb day to a no carb day (which is the diet i stayed with for the rest of the evaluation).

The next 4 weeks - 5/3 to 6/1 - my weightloss increased to an average of 2lbs per week. I also began venlafaxine on 5/11, ramped quickly up to 150mg/ED. I lost about 1.4" off the gut, 1/4" off each arm, 3/4" off each quad, and 1/2" off the neck. Total weight lost was 7.5lbs. Caliper readings put me somewhere around 18%. Looking back at the logs, weights actually seem to have increased somewhat. e.g. on 4/30 i did a DB row with 85lbs for 10 reps. On 5/27 i did 95lbs for 10 reps (well, left arm only got 9.5 ). Triceps and shoulders seemed to stay stagnant. Quads and hams increased somewhat.

The final 2 weeks - 6/1 to 6/14 - there was some weird shit goin' on. To start things off, on friday, 6/4, i finally broke from my chicken/rice OCD and had a few drinks... that led to some pizza... and finally to some BBQ chicken (even in my drunken haze, i knew i needed protein ). I should have brought some sesathin with me, and taken a gulp or two of it (especially considering sesamin may increase gene expression of ALDH ), but i didnt think of it. Also, on 6/1, i began bupropion at 150mg/ED. Stats for that week were somewhat depressing - weight remained stagnant at 228lbs (same weight as the previous week), however, my gut still shrank by 1/5", and quads actually increased slightly. I thought this was quite promising, considering how badly i cheated just 3 days earlier. The really weird stuff came the following week, though. The week of 6/7 to 6/14 i was perfect with my diet (as i had been for the first 6 weeks). The bupropion was increased to 300mg/ED, and i had some weird side effects a couple days later. Weird headaches, felt really groggy and foggy-minded... somewhat nauseous too. It was a no carb day, and i at first mistook the symptoms for hypoglycemia. Had a bit of milk, and it didnt help anything. Finally, i took 3g of tyrosine, a couple advil, and went to sleep. Woke up a couple hours later feeling fine. The rest of the week was relatively normal. However, when i took my stats that week... i was just a little shocked. In one week, i lost 1.1" off my gut, lost nearly 1/4" off my arms, 1/5" off my quads, 1/5" off my neck, and 6lbs total. Weights in the gym decreased by quite a bit, most noticably in chest and biceps.

Now, stats for the comparison week, in which i didnt use rebirth or sesathin (this past week, 6/14 to 6/21):

Stomach - 37.5"
Right arm - 16"
Left arm - 15.75"
Right quad - 25.25"
Left quad - 25"
Neck - 16"
BW - 223.5lbs
BF - ~18%

Diet stayed exactly the same. Gut increased by 1/5", the only time in the past 9 weeks its ever increased from one week to the next. It could be water, as i was feeling slightly bloated this morning... but still, it would be an odd coincidence, seeing as how ive felt bloated "measurement morning" in the past and still at least maintained the previous weeks stats. Arms stayed roughly the same, as did quads and neck. Bodyweight increased by 1.5lbs. This is only the second time my weight has increased in the past 9 weeks, and the first time was way back on the first week, when my diet was still right around maintenance. Now, i dont attribute this completely to the avant supplements... as the previous weeks 6lb loss was rather excessive, and i think a lot of it may have been water. All the pizza i had before i took the previous weeks measurements could have had me bloating quite a bit, although i dont remember feeling as such. It could also have been actual mass, fat or muscle, but been due to the bupropion, as it acts on dopamine and norepinephrine (as does venlafaxine).

Overall, i have to say im rather pleased at the results. I actually began writing this with the intent of showing how unimpressed i was with the supplements, but after looking through the log and reviewing, it appears that its worked quite well - and i should note, that the whole while i was right at or below the 20% bf cutoff point. The results were subtle, and i dont think i would have noticed much had i not kept a log. The statistics dont lie, though. Im particularly fond of the middle 4 weeks i described above, in which i managed to drop ~2lbs per week while increasing or maintaining my lifts. On my last big cut, a year or so ago, my gym weights steadily decreased with my physical weight. I'd be particularly interested in trying LG: Basic, as its suited for my current BF better.

As for the supplements themselves, they were packaged quite well. The sesamin will be much more appealing when its in caps, though. I know the "it looks like dick sauce!" joke has been beaten to death... but... it does. And there was a point when i had just finished throwing a cap back when some of my friends came over. Guess what i still had a bit of on my lip. HAR HAR! The Rebirth tasted excellent. I really liked the flavoring. Dont mess with it! As for the powder itself, its somewhat annoying. The lecithin (and i think synephrine) clumps very easily, and no amount of shaking will break it up. With the synephrine, you can at least break up the chunks with your fingers... but the lecithin is near impossible to remix. Breaking it apart with your fingers results in lots of tiny chunks of lecithin instead of one big chunk (although with some shaking, that will soon rectify itself, as the small chunks will gleefully rush back together). Doing something to fix that problem would help a lot. As for the recommended timing on when to dose the rebirth (~30 minutes), ive found 20 minutes to work a bit better. I base that off how long its hunger blunting effects last, which for me begins to wear off right around the 30 minute mark. After all, the point is to increase leptin sensitivity just long enough so that you feel satiated before you start to eat, correct?

Anyway, i had one final question: Would adding glucosamine with the AM doses of rebirth help increase its effects? As im thinking it would mimick glucose, and therefore increase leptin? I ask because often the AM doses of rebirth arent terribly effective, and spook/dsade mentioned that this is probably because of low levels of glucose in the morning. He suggested a small amount of carbs with the rebirth, but i was hoping to find an alternative.

I think that about wraps things up. If i missed anything, or failed to explain anything thoroughly enough, or someone just wants to comment... ill be watching this thread for a while.

Finally, id just like to thank everyone at Avant - and especially Twin Peak - for letting me take part in this. I enjoyed the experience - not only because of the free stuff, but because it got me quite interested in physiology/pharmacology in general. I hope my feedback has been worthwhile.

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Twin Peak

Great feedback, thanks.

FYI, we are working on the clumping problem.

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