Rebirth

Monolith · 04-30-2004, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by chiquita6683

sorry to hear ur depressed, keep ur chin up

r u on any meds for that?

Thanks, wonderwoman.

atherjen · 04-30-2004, 05:18 PM

Great workout Mono!

I cant offer any advice on grip-but Its defintly something you need to work on... Im sure Patrick can help!

Im sorry to hear the depression is getting a bit worse.. do you think just stress from finals coming up and maybe dieting is causing it? I hope whatever that you can beat it!

Monolith · 04-30-2004, 06:05 PM

I just noticed i didnt log my workout correctly. Forgot to list the tbar rows.

Thanks Jen.

Ive always had a pretty bad case of depression... but i noticed the fish oil seemed to help in a very unexpected way. It seems to have gotten worse since i lowered my dose.

**P-funk** · 04-30-2004, 06:08 PM

Depression sucks......i have is pretty bad at times as well. Hang in there (or hang in as much as you possibly can......until your grip gives out at least....lol)

PreMier · 04-30-2004, 06:11 PM

Monolith · 04-30-2004, 06:16 PM

lmao

Im thinking about going to see a shrink, again. I really didnt have any luck the first time around, though... tried some kind of SSRI (forgot which brand) and also wellbutrin. I think there was some other happy drugs thrown in with them at some point, too.

I should just start self-medicating by way of the streetcorner pharmacist.

chiquita6683 · 04-30-2004, 06:58 PM

ive been taking wellbutrin for a long time also

Monolith · 04-30-2004, 10:43 PM

Diet for 4/30... typical low carb day.

The rebirth is kind of weird. Sometimes ill take it, and it seems like it has absolutely no effect. i.e. 20 minutes later ill feel just as hungry as i did before i took it. Then, other times ill take it and 45-60 minutes later i realize im forgetting to eat, because im not hungry at all. Thus far, it seems as though the rebirth is less effective in the morning, and more effective in the evening. I have no idea why? Do leptin levels naturally fluctuate throughout the day? Perhaps theyre lower in the morning, and higher in the evening?

yellowmoomba · 05-01-2004, 07:07 AM

Hey Mono -

Just checking in on your progress.....

How much BF/weight have you dropped doing the Carb cycling??

Monolith · 05-01-2004, 09:39 AM

10-15lbs

yellowmoomba · 05-01-2004, 10:18 AM

That's good!!

How much do you want to drop?

Monolith · 05-01-2004, 10:43 AM

Eh, i dunno. I guess id like to see 220. Thats another 15lbs away.

Monolith · 05-01-2004, 02:36 PM

Training for 5/1: Hams/Calves/Abs

SLDL - 135lbx8 225lbx6x6x4

One leg ham press - 270lbx6 320lbx9x6/5 270lbx7 (right/left)

Seated curl - 160lbx10x6.5

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Standing calf raise - 90lbx12 135lbx16x11x10

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Cable machine crunch - 40lbx12x11x6 30lbx11

DB side bends - 80lbx10x8

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Happy May Day.

Workout was alright. Nothing special. Weights are starting to stagnate... i think ill switch this day up next week. Might take the SLDL's out for a while.

chiquita6683 · 05-01-2004, 02:47 PM

oohooh! fightings on, nbc right now!

dsade · 05-01-2004, 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Monolith
Do leptin levels naturally fluctuate throughout the day? Perhaps theyre lower in the morning, and higher in the evening?

I posed your question to Spook, and this was his answer:

They do fluctuate. All things being equal (meaning discounting the spike from calories) the tend to be lower in the AM and higher in the PM. Its not very important though considering how much meals effect plasma levels. The data on the tracking trends is from fasted individuals as it’s the only way to get a real measure. I would guess that it this testers observations have more to do with the fact that he is in the lower area of glycemia when he does not notice the effect. Particularly if its in the AM.

Of all three products, rebirth will probably suffer from this kind of hit or miss behavior. More so than the others anyway. For the reasons I went over in the big cat thread. Namely in heavier people you want leptin to drop but still get the short term signaling effect introduced by meals. But that’s nor really possible because of tracking delay in the soluble receptor. Ingesting a little bit of carbs with each dose should help with this however.

**Mudge** · 05-02-2004, 12:37 AM

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Originally posted by Monolith
Ive always had a pretty bad case of depression... but i noticed the fish oil seemed to help in a very unexpected way. It seems to have gotten worse since i lowered my dose.

Hmm, maybe I'll have to try a bulk order sometime, its good for you anyway.

I have more anxiety (social) than depression, but I do have mood shifts now and then. Sometimes I'm great, sometimes I'm off.

Monolith · 05-02-2004, 02:33 PM

Thanks for checking with Spook, dsade. Im assuming this is the "big cat" thread Spook was talking about? Also, do you know if adding some glucosamine to the AM rebirth doses would mimic the "little bit of carbs" suggestion?

Mudge, the fish oil is really great stuff. Ive got a bit of social anxiety as well... id like to say it helped, but the most notable effect was on depression. I was (am) still depressed in a major way, but the fish oil seemed to keep my angst-ridden thoughts somewhat at bay, especially on my really moody days. It's as if the depression didnt reach its lowest levels while i was high dosing the stuff. That said, nothing ive read or any other anecdotal reports ive seen have suggested fish oil having as profound an effect on depression as it did for me.

FYI, i usually bought it here:
http://store.yahoo.com/elitelabs/nutsup.html

You can get 12 100 tab bottles of 30% epa/dha for $25... like $2 a bottle.

chiquita6683 · 05-02-2004, 04:32 PM

Quote:

I posed your question to Spook, and this was his answer

whos spook?

Monolith · 05-02-2004, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by chiquita6683
whos spook?

A smart guy from Avant.

chiquita6683 · 05-02-2004, 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by Monolith
A smart guy from Avant.

oh ok

...........................................wha tever

ur doin real good monolith, keep it up!

Monolith · 05-02-2004, 09:16 PM

Diet for 5/2... typical no day. Nothin new. Will take weight/measurements tomorrow morning.

**Jodi** · 05-03-2004, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Monolith
Thanks for checking with Spook, dsade. Im assuming this is the "big cat" thread Spook was talking about? Also, do you know if adding some glucosamine to the AM rebirth doses would mimic the "little bit of carbs" suggestion?

Mudge, the fish oil is really great stuff. Ive got a bit of social anxiety as well... id like to say it helped, but the most notable effect was on depression. I was (am) still depressed in a major way, but the fish oil seemed to keep my angst-ridden thoughts somewhat at bay, especially on my really moody days. It's as if the depression didnt reach its lowest levels while i was high dosing the stuff. That said, nothing ive read or any other anecdotal reports ive seen have suggested fish oil having as profound an effect on depression as it did for me.

FYI, i usually bought it here:
http://store.yahoo.com/elitelabs/nutsup.html

You can get 12 100 tab bottles of 30% epa/dha for $25... like $2 a bottle.

I've found that the SesaThin has REALLY helped with my mood. Seriously, I mean REALLY helped, I'm in alot happier mood day in and day out

. That an my boyfriend hasn't called me a raging bitch lately

yellowmoomba · 05-03-2004, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Monolith
Eh, i dunno. I guess id like to see 220. Thats another 15lbs away.

I don't see any cardio in your journal....What about doing a few 15 minutes sessions a week to speed things up????

Monolith · 05-03-2004, 09:16 AM

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Originally posted by Jodi
I've found that the SesaThin has REALLY helped with my mood. Seriously, I mean REALLY helped, I'm in alot happier mood day in and day out

. That an my boyfriend hasn't called me a raging bitch lately

Yeah... i was actually sort of curious about that. Because sesathin acts along the same pathways as fish oil, you'd think the mood brightening effects would carry over... but it doesnt appear that they have. It's pretty confounding, actually.

YM... yeah, probably. My diet could probably be fixed up a little bit, first... but some AM sprinting probably wouldnt be a bad idea (besides the fact that id start dry heaving after 5 minutes).

yellowmoomba · 05-03-2004, 09:31 AM

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Originally posted by Monolith
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YM... yeah, probably. My diet could probably be fixed up a little bit, first... but some AM sprinting probably wouldnt be a bad idea (besides the fact that id start dry heaving after 5 minutes).

I just jump on the incline Treadmill for 15 minutes after my workout 3 days a week. I'd rather have the "cheat meals" and do cardio than eliminate all the fun foods/drinks!

(Just my $0.02)

Monolith · 05-03-2004, 09:34 AM

Stats for 5/3:

Stomach around navel - 40"
Right arm - 16.5"
Left arm - 16.3"
Right quad - 26.15"
Left quad - 26"
Neck - 16.75"
BW - 235.5lb
BF% - 20-22%

Alright... somethings weird here. Two weeks ago, when i started this, my weight was 235lbs. The next week it was up to 237lbs. Now its down to 235.5lbs. Bloat or no bloat, from other feedback ive been reading, it seems like my results are rather fucked. wtf?

Measurements are also bizarre. Gut shrank by a smidgen, yet my neck actually grew? And its sure as hell isnt muscle, since i dont train my neck. Quads grew slightly.

I have absolutely no idea what to make of this. Diet has been nearly exact every day. The only "cheat" i gave myself in the past two weeks was a can of diet coke.

Before the eval started i had been planning on tweaking my diet a bit, as fat loss *was* beginning to slow... but figured id stick it out for another 6 weeks, to see what the rebirth/sesathin did. So far, it looks like its doing nothing. Perhaps it could be partly due to how close i am to the 20% rebirth "cutoff"?

Psychologically i dont really have a problem with continuing my diet unchanged for the next few weeks, and stick out the evaluation... but perhaps i should change something? I mean, i dont see how this stuff could suddenly start accelerating fat loss after 2 weeks with relatively nothing to show for it. Maybe double the sesathin dose for the next couple weeks? Tweak the diet? Move to a basic 500 cal daily defecit?

yellowmoomba · 05-03-2004, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Monolith
Stats for 5/3:

Stomach around navel - 40"
Right arm - 16.5"
Left arm - 16.3"
Right quad - 26.15"
Left quad - 26"
Neck - 16.75"
BW - 235.5lb
BF% - 20-22%

Alright... somethings weird here. Two weeks ago, when i started this, my weight was 235lbs. The next week it was up to 237lbs. Now its down to 235.5lbs. Bloat or no bloat, from other feedback ive been reading, it seems like my results are rather fucked. wtf?

Measurements are also bizarre. Gut shrank by a smidgen, yet my neck actually grew? And its sure as hell isnt muscle, since i dont train my neck. Quads grew slightly.

I have absolutely no idea what to make of this. Diet has been nearly exact every day. The only "cheat" i gave myself in the past two weeks was a can of diet coke.

Before the eval started i had been planning on tweaking my diet a bit, as fat loss *was* beginning to slow... but figured id stick it out for another 6 weeks, to see what the rebirth/sesathin did. So far, it looks like its doing nothing. Perhaps it could be partly due to how close i am to the 20% rebirth "cutoff"?

Psychologically i dont really have a problem with continuing my diet unchanged for the next few weeks, and stick out the evaluation... but perhaps i should change something? I mean, i dont see how this stuff could suddenly start accelerating fat loss after 2 weeks with relatively nothing to show for it. Maybe double the sesathin dose for the next couple weeks? Tweak the diet? Move to a basic 500 cal daily defecit?

Mono - you count DIET coke as a cheat meal. I'd hate to show you MY cheats meals. This looks like a "Jodi Topic" - She seems to have good feedback on diets

04-30-2004, 05:18 PM	#152
atherjen DS Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: MS Posts: 5,757	Great workout Mono! I cant offer any advice on grip-but Its defintly something you need to work on... Im sure Patrick can help! Im sorry to hear the depression is getting a bit worse.. do you think just stress from finals coming up and maybe dieting is causing it? I hope whatever that you can beat it!
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04-30-2004, 06:05 PM	#153
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	I just noticed i didnt log my workout correctly. Forgot to list the tbar rows. Thanks Jen. Ive always had a pretty bad case of depression... but i noticed the fish oil seemed to help in a very unexpected way. It seems to have gotten worse since i lowered my dose.
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

04-30-2004, 06:08 PM	#154
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,372	Depression sucks......i have is pretty bad at times as well. Hang in there (or hang in as much as you possibly can......until your grip gives out at least....lol)
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04-30-2004, 06:11 PM	#155
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04-30-2004, 06:16 PM	#156
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	lmao Im thinking about going to see a shrink, again. I really didnt have any luck the first time around, though... tried some kind of SSRI (forgot which brand) and also wellbutrin. I think there was some other happy drugs thrown in with them at some point, too. I should just start self-medicating by way of the streetcorner pharmacist.
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

04-30-2004, 06:58 PM	#157
chiquita6683 Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 802 Photos: 1	ive been taking wellbutrin for a long time also

04-30-2004, 10:43 PM	#158
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Diet for 4/30... typical low carb day. The rebirth is kind of weird. Sometimes ill take it, and it seems like it has absolutely no effect. i.e. 20 minutes later ill feel just as hungry as i did before i took it. Then, other times ill take it and 45-60 minutes later i realize im forgetting to eat, because im not hungry at all. Thus far, it seems as though the rebirth is less effective in the morning, and more effective in the evening. I have no idea why? Do leptin levels naturally fluctuate throughout the day? Perhaps theyre lower in the morning, and higher in the evening?
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

05-01-2004, 07:07 AM	#159
yellowmoomba YM Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 5,506 Photos: 2	Hey Mono - Just checking in on your progress..... How much BF/weight have you dropped doing the Carb cycling??
	My Journal "You are born small and weak... you die small and weak... how you look in between is up to you."

05-01-2004, 09:39 AM	#160
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	10-15lbs
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

05-01-2004, 10:18 AM	#161
yellowmoomba YM Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 5,506 Photos: 2	That's good!! How much do you want to drop?
	My Journal "You are born small and weak... you die small and weak... how you look in between is up to you."

05-01-2004, 10:43 AM	#162
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Eh, i dunno. I guess id like to see 220. Thats another 15lbs away.
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

05-01-2004, 02:36 PM	#163
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Training for 5/1: Hams/Calves/Abs SLDL - 135lbx8 225lbx6x6x4 One leg ham press - 270lbx6 320lbx9x6/5 270lbx7 (right/left) Seated curl - 160lbx10x6.5 --- Standing calf raise - 90lbx12 135lbx16x11x10 --- Cable machine crunch - 40lbx12x11x6 30lbx11 DB side bends - 80lbx10x8 --- Happy May Day. Workout was alright. Nothing special. Weights are starting to stagnate... i think ill switch this day up next week. Might take the SLDL's out for a while.
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

05-01-2004, 02:47 PM	#164
chiquita6683 Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 802 Photos: 1	oohooh! fightings on, nbc right now!

05-02-2004, 02:33 PM	#167
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Thanks for checking with Spook, dsade. Im assuming this is the "big cat" thread Spook was talking about? Also, do you know if adding some glucosamine to the AM rebirth doses would mimic the "little bit of carbs" suggestion? Mudge, the fish oil is really great stuff. Ive got a bit of social anxiety as well... id like to say it helped, but the most notable effect was on depression. I was (am) still depressed in a major way, but the fish oil seemed to keep my angst-ridden thoughts somewhat at bay, especially on my really moody days. It's as if the depression didnt reach its lowest levels while i was high dosing the stuff. That said, nothing ive read or any other anecdotal reports ive seen have suggested fish oil having as profound an effect on depression as it did for me. FYI, i usually bought it here: http://store.yahoo.com/elitelabs/nutsup.html You can get 12 100 tab bottles of 30% epa/dha for $25... like $2 a bottle.
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

05-02-2004, 09:16 PM	#171
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Diet for 5/2... typical no day. Nothin new. Will take weight/measurements tomorrow morning.
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

05-03-2004, 09:34 AM	#176
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Stats for 5/3: Stomach around navel - 40" Right arm - 16.5" Left arm - 16.3" Right quad - 26.15" Left quad - 26" Neck - 16.75" BW - 235.5lb BF% - 20-22% Alright... somethings weird here. Two weeks ago, when i started this, my weight was 235lbs. The next week it was up to 237lbs. Now its down to 235.5lbs. Bloat or no bloat, from other feedback ive been reading, it seems like my results are rather fucked. wtf? Measurements are also bizarre. Gut shrank by a smidgen, yet my neck actually grew? And its sure as hell isnt muscle, since i dont train my neck. Quads grew slightly. I have absolutely no idea what to make of this. Diet has been nearly exact every day. The only "cheat" i gave myself in the past two weeks was a can of diet coke. Before the eval started i had been planning on tweaking my diet a bit, as fat loss was beginning to slow... but figured id stick it out for another 6 weeks, to see what the rebirth/sesathin did. So far, it looks like its doing nothing. Perhaps it could be partly due to how close i am to the 20% rebirth "cutoff"? Psychologically i dont really have a problem with continuing my diet unchanged for the next few weeks, and stick out the evaluation... but perhaps i should change something? I mean, i dont see how this stuff could suddenly start accelerating fat loss after 2 weeks with relatively nothing to show for it. Maybe double the sesathin dose for the next couple weeks? Tweak the diet? Move to a basic 500 cal daily defecit?
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg