Rebirth

PreMier · 05-06-2004, 09:56 PM

I got the number to a shrink that will help me for free. I have yet to call though

Monolith · 05-07-2004, 04:07 PM

Training for 5/7: Shoulders/Triceps

DB military press - 40lbx10 55lbx8x6 50lbx4.5

Cybex lateral raises - 70lbx10 90lbx9x7x6 drop 70lbx3 drop 30lbx9

Reverse pec dec - 40lbx10 50lbx12x12 60lbx7 (new machine, had to find the right weight)

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CG bench - barx10 95lbx8 135lbx12x10x8

Skullcrushers - 65lbx9.5x6 45lbx12

Rope pushdowns - 70lbx7.5 drop 50lbx4 drop 30lbx12

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Today suprised the hell out of me. I had really good energy, despite it being a no carb day, and despite me feeling a lot more lethargic than usual (i almost fell asleep on the ride to the gym

).

The only thing out of the ordinary was i took an E/C stack before i hit the gym. I dont remember it ever being this effective, though... normally it was just a slight buzz.

I was thrilled with my CG bench strength. Really nice increase from last week, although i suspect it may be in part due to switching the split around some, and moving tri day a bit further from chest day. Regardless, it was a nice psychological boost. Again, something i wasnt expecting on a no carb day.

atherjen · 05-07-2004, 05:22 PM

awesome to hear Mono!! that will help boost your spirits training wise! Can't beat the strength and energy boosts on a no carb day at all! even if it was the E/C.

what kind of bar were you using on skullcrushers?

are you still taking the Sesathin?

Monolith · 05-07-2004, 05:27 PM

Still taking the Sesathin. And the skulls were done using a cambered, 25lb bar. It's weird that the weight is so low on them, eh? I think you and Jodi press more than me.

atherjen · 05-07-2004, 05:40 PM

how do you like the Sesathin? noticing anything from it?

yah umm Jodi and I do

strange... are you bringing it down to your forehead or farther?

Monolith · 05-07-2004, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Monolith
Also, do you know if adding some glucosamine to the AM rebirth doses would mimic the "little bit of carbs" suggestion?

Bump for anyone who might know. Jodi? TP?

The quote is in reference to Spook thinking Rebirths hunger-quelling effects arent as pronounced in the morning due to hypoglycemia. He suggested taking a small amount of carbs with the rebirth, but im thinking glucosamine might have similar effects? Im probably way off, but i wont know unless i ask, i suppose.

Monolith · 05-07-2004, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by atherjen
how do you like the Sesathin? noticing anything from it?

yah umm Jodi and I do

strange... are you bringing it down to your forehead or farther?

The only thing really noticable from the sesathin is a decreased libido.

My fat loss had pretty much stagnated before i started the evaluation, but i figured id leave it alone and see if the rebirth/sesathin had any effect. It really hasnt. Just this week i tweaked my diet, though, by just swapping a low carb day for a no carb day. Hopefully that'll help things along.

One of Sesathins biggest benefits seems to be during periods of overeating, though - in that people seem to avoid adding any excess fat, no bloating, etc. You should check up on Jodi's journal, she's reported those kinds of results.

As for the skulls... im keepin my elbows in, and bringing the bar to my forehead.

What do you CG press? Is it more than im doing now? Or does it seem inconsistent?

atherjen · 05-07-2004, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Monolith
The only thing really noticable from the sesathin is a decreased libido.

My fat loss had pretty much stagnated before i started the evaluation, but i figured id leave it alone and see if the rebirth/sesathin had any effect. It really hasnt. Just this week i tweaked my diet, though, by just swapping a low carb day for a no carb day. Hopefully that'll help things along.

One of Sesathins biggest benefits seems to be during periods of overeating, though - in that people seem to avoid adding any excess fat, no bloating, etc. You should check up on Jodi's journal, she's reported those kinds of results.

As for the skulls... im keepin my elbows in, and bringing the bar to my forehead.

What do you CG press? Is it more than im doing now? Or does it seem inconsistent?

hmm I know that your fat loss has stalled some.. hopefully the new tweak to carb cycling will help

Ive asked Jodi about the Sesathin aiding in her fatloss while cheating some too.. seems postive on that side.
how about your mood? has it helped with that any?

ok, thats how I do that skulls as well.

I had to ask since your CG is a bit higher.. I dont do as much as you no

I guess everyone's diff!

**P-funk** · 05-07-2004, 07:04 PM

great job on the close grip bench presses.

Monolith · 05-07-2004, 08:57 PM

Thanks

A few more months and i might actually get out of these girly weights.

**P-funk** · 05-07-2004, 09:02 PM

Nothing girlie about 135lbs for a close grip bench press.

**Jodi** · 05-08-2004, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Monolith
The only thing really noticable from the sesathin is a decreased libido.

My fat loss had pretty much stagnated before i started the evaluation, but i figured id leave it alone and see if the rebirth/sesathin had any effect. It really hasnt. Just this week i tweaked my diet, though, by just swapping a low carb day for a no carb day. Hopefully that'll help things along.

One of Sesathins biggest benefits seems to be during periods of overeating, though - in that people seem to avoid adding any excess fat, no bloating, etc. You should check up on Jodi's journal, she's reported those kinds of results.

As for the skulls... im keepin my elbows in, and bringing the bar to my forehead.

What do you CG press? Is it more than im doing now? Or does it seem inconsistent?

Hell yeah.

methinks I like sesathin better than LG or Absolved

How much sesathin are you taking a day?

BTW - Nice CG

Monolith · 05-08-2004, 12:16 PM

Thanks

Im taking 1.5 caps in 3 divided doses daily.

Monolith · 05-08-2004, 03:31 PM

Training for 5/8: Hams/Calves/Abs

Deads - 135lbx6 225lbx5 275lbx1 315lbx2 335lbx1

SLDL - 225lbx4x6x7 (LOL)

Superset -
+seated curl - 170lbx8 150lbx6 130lbx7
+lying curl - 100lbx9 70lbx9 50lbx11

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Standing calf raise - 90lbx12 135lbx16x12x10

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Cable machine crunch - 40lbx12x12x9x5
DB side bends - 80lbx10x10

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lol... i had a hankering to do regular deads today, since i hadnt done them in a while. Just kind of messed around with singles and doubles. 335lb came up alright, just a slight stick at the bottom... but i wanted to save some for the SLDL's, so i stopped there.

Normally on SLDL's i use a hook grip, but of course my grip was dying fast, so i only got 4 reps @ 225. Switched to an over/under grip for the next set, and got 6. Still pretty disappointed, but on the next set, i had visions of P-Funk screaming in my head, and managed 7.

I probably could have gotten another, but my back was beginning to round.

**P-funk** · 05-08-2004, 04:04 PM

Quote:

i had visions of P-Funk screaming in my head, and managed 7. I probably could have gotten another, but my back was beginning to round.

see, I knew you had it in ya.

Monolith · 05-09-2004, 08:41 PM

Missed a meal on todays no carb. Woke up late and have to get to bed early. I bumped up the protein in each meal to compensate. Still got all the sesathin and rebirth in.

No gym. Measurements tomorrow AM.

**Jodi** · 05-10-2004, 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Monolith
Thanks

Im taking 1.5 caps in 3 divided doses daily.

I think you could increase that Monolith. Par says several times those with endo somatypes would yield great results with double dosages. Just a thought.

Monolith · 05-10-2004, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jodi
I think you could increase that Monolith. Par says several times those with endo somatypes would yield great results with double dosages. Just a thought.

Yeah, i saw the thread i think youre referring to... where he said the dosing instructions on the label were for an average 200lb male?

Im also thinking a double dose might "fit" me better, as i havent noticed any of the mood-brightening effects that you seem to have experienced. That might be indicative of a low dose.

Monolith · 05-10-2004, 01:16 PM

Stats for 5/10:

Stomach around navel - 39.55"
Right arm - 16.5"
Left arm - 16.3"
Right quad - 25.8"
Left quad - 25.7"
Neck - 16.25"
BW - 233.5lb
BF - ~20%

Well, it appears that the "tweak" worked. Lost half an inch around the gut and the neck, and about a quarter inch on each leg. Weight dropped 2lbs. Im still not very confident in the consistency of my caliper readings, but 20% is a decent ballpark figure.

Monolith · 05-10-2004, 04:18 PM

Training for 5/10: Chest/Biceps

BB bench - 135lbx10 185lbx10x8x5

Decline BB bench - 155lbx11x8x6

Incline DB press - 60lbx5.5 50lbx6 45lbx7

Pec Dec - 130lbx10x6.5

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Cambered bar curl - 75lbx10 95lbx7 85lbx5 75lbx6

DB hammer curl - 25lbx9 20lbx10x9

Concentration curl - 20lbx12/11x10/8 (right/left)

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Bench went up a smidgen, which was nice. Man, id love to be able to hit 225 for 10... thatd put a smile on my face for a month. Some day...

**P-funk** · 05-10-2004, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Bench went up a smidgen, which was nice. Man, id love to be able to hit 225 for 10... thatd put a smile on my face for a month. Some day...

Are you making a push for that??? It seems that you are always stuck at the same weights for the same repetitions. Here is an idea. Lets say this week you hit 185 for 3 sets of 10. Next week bump it 5lbs. to 190. Go for three sets of ten. If you get it then the week after bump it another 5lbs to 195. If you don't get it stay at that weight until you hit it. Keep benching every weeks for the next 4-6 weeks and see if you can increase your weight and reps. There is really no reason that you shouldn't be able to increase every week. I got faith in ya.

Monolith · 05-10-2004, 04:34 PM

3 sets of 10? I think ill have to drop the weight a bit. I just barely managed one set of ten this week.

Ive been benching for the past 3 weeks (including today). Was only planning on doing it again next week before moving back to DB work... but i guess it wouldnt hurt to leave it in a bit longer.

As for increasing every week... lol... i wish. Increasing once a month might be more accurate.

Monolith · 05-11-2004, 12:22 PM

Training for 5/11: Quads

Squats - barx10 135lbx10 185lbx10x8x6 155lbx8

45* leg press - 540lbx9x6.5 490lbx7.5

Extensions - 90lbx16x10

Did a couple sets of plate pinches too.

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Im satisfied with the progress on the squats. First set went down a couple reps, but unlike last week, i wasnt using a spotter (who helped me through sticking points). Reps actually increased on the next 3 sets. Considering i dropped 2 lbs over the past week, and my hams are still killing me from saturday, id say im doing alright.

Since this diet tweak, my weekly progress in the gym hasnt been noticably affected. Weights still seem to be progressing at their normal rate, even though fat loss has accellerated. I'm actually tempted to see how sadistic i can make this diet before i start losing muscle... just to see how uber the nutrient partioning effects of these avant products are.

Monolith · 05-11-2004, 08:13 PM

Went to the shrink today, he gave me a script for Effexor...

Not really looking forward to this. I had tried effexor years ago, and i dont remember it helping much. The withdrawals when coming off are absolutely awful, too. He also has me at a rather annoying dose - 150mg. From what ive gathered, its nothing more than an SSRI at that dose, and doesnt have any effect on the NE pump until 200mg+. I suppose he knows what he's doing, though...

Eh, whatever. This shit just better not start fucking with my body comp.

PreMier · 05-11-2004, 08:22 PM

Damn, good luck with that

Get your blood tests back yet?

Monolith · 05-11-2004, 08:36 PM

Nah, havent gotten them back yet. The last time i had blood work done it took the friggin doctor like 2 months to get back to me, and thats after i repeatedly harassed the secretary to get him to call me.

Hopefully this time things will be faster.

**Jodi** · 05-11-2004, 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Monolith
Stats for 5/10:

Stomach around navel - 39.55"
Right arm - 16.5"
Left arm - 16.3"
Right quad - 25.8"
Left quad - 25.7"
Neck - 16.25"
BW - 233.5lb
BF - ~20%

Well, it appears that the "tweak" worked. Lost half an inch around the gut and the neck, and about a quarter inch on each leg. W

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05-07-2004, 04:07 PM	#212
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Training for 5/7: Shoulders/Triceps DB military press - 40lbx10 55lbx8x6 50lbx4.5 Cybex lateral raises - 70lbx10 90lbx9x7x6 drop 70lbx3 drop 30lbx9 Reverse pec dec - 40lbx10 50lbx12x12 60lbx7 (new machine, had to find the right weight) --- CG bench - barx10 95lbx8 135lbx12x10x8 Skullcrushers - 65lbx9.5x6 45lbx12 Rope pushdowns - 70lbx7.5 drop 50lbx4 drop 30lbx12 --- Today suprised the hell out of me. I had really good energy, despite it being a no carb day, and despite me feeling a lot more lethargic than usual (i almost fell asleep on the ride to the gym ). The only thing out of the ordinary was i took an E/C stack before i hit the gym. I dont remember it ever being this effective, though... normally it was just a slight buzz. I was thrilled with my CG bench strength. Really nice increase from last week, although i suspect it may be in part due to switching the split around some, and moving tri day a bit further from chest day. Regardless, it was a nice psychological boost. Again, something i wasnt expecting on a no carb day.
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05-07-2004, 05:22 PM	#213
atherjen DS Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: MS Posts: 5,757	awesome to hear Mono!! that will help boost your spirits training wise! Can't beat the strength and energy boosts on a no carb day at all! even if it was the E/C. what kind of bar were you using on skullcrushers? are you still taking the Sesathin?
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05-07-2004, 05:27 PM	#214
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Still taking the Sesathin. And the skulls were done using a cambered, 25lb bar. It's weird that the weight is so low on them, eh? I think you and Jodi press more than me.
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05-07-2004, 05:40 PM	#215
atherjen DS Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: MS Posts: 5,757	how do you like the Sesathin? noticing anything from it? yah umm Jodi and I do strange... are you bringing it down to your forehead or farther?
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05-07-2004, 07:04 PM	#219
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,342	great job on the close grip bench presses.
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05-07-2004, 08:57 PM	#220
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Thanks A few more months and i might actually get out of these girly weights.
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05-07-2004, 09:02 PM	#221
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,342	Nothing girlie about 135lbs for a close grip bench press.
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05-08-2004, 12:16 PM	#223
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Thanks Im taking 1.5 caps in 3 divided doses daily.
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05-08-2004, 03:31 PM	#224
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Training for 5/8: Hams/Calves/Abs Deads - 135lbx6 225lbx5 275lbx1 315lbx2 335lbx1 SLDL - 225lbx4x6x7 (LOL) Superset - +seated curl - 170lbx8 150lbx6 130lbx7 +lying curl - 100lbx9 70lbx9 50lbx11 --- Standing calf raise - 90lbx12 135lbx16x12x10 --- Cable machine crunch - 40lbx12x12x9x5 DB side bends - 80lbx10x10 --- lol... i had a hankering to do regular deads today, since i hadnt done them in a while. Just kind of messed around with singles and doubles. 335lb came up alright, just a slight stick at the bottom... but i wanted to save some for the SLDL's, so i stopped there. Normally on SLDL's i use a hook grip, but of course my grip was dying fast, so i only got 4 reps @ 225. Switched to an over/under grip for the next set, and got 6. Still pretty disappointed, but on the next set, i had visions of P-Funk screaming in my head, and managed 7. I probably could have gotten another, but my back was beginning to round.
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

05-09-2004, 08:41 PM	#226
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Missed a meal on todays no carb. Woke up late and have to get to bed early. I bumped up the protein in each meal to compensate. Still got all the sesathin and rebirth in. No gym. Measurements tomorrow AM.
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

05-10-2004, 01:16 PM	#229
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Stats for 5/10: Stomach around navel - 39.55" Right arm - 16.5" Left arm - 16.3" Right quad - 25.8" Left quad - 25.7" Neck - 16.25" BW - 233.5lb BF - ~20% Well, it appears that the "tweak" worked. Lost half an inch around the gut and the neck, and about a quarter inch on each leg. Weight dropped 2lbs. Im still not very confident in the consistency of my caliper readings, but 20% is a decent ballpark figure.
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

05-10-2004, 04:18 PM	#230
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Training for 5/10: Chest/Biceps BB bench - 135lbx10 185lbx10x8x5 Decline BB bench - 155lbx11x8x6 Incline DB press - 60lbx5.5 50lbx6 45lbx7 Pec Dec - 130lbx10x6.5 --- Cambered bar curl - 75lbx10 95lbx7 85lbx5 75lbx6 DB hammer curl - 25lbx9 20lbx10x9 Concentration curl - 20lbx12/11x10/8 (right/left) --- Bench went up a smidgen, which was nice. Man, id love to be able to hit 225 for 10... thatd put a smile on my face for a month. Some day...
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

05-10-2004, 04:34 PM	#232
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	3 sets of 10? I think ill have to drop the weight a bit. I just barely managed one set of ten this week. Ive been benching for the past 3 weeks (including today). Was only planning on doing it again next week before moving back to DB work... but i guess it wouldnt hurt to leave it in a bit longer. As for increasing every week... lol... i wish. Increasing once a month might be more accurate.
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

05-11-2004, 12:22 PM	#233
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Training for 5/11: Quads Squats - barx10 135lbx10 185lbx10x8x6 155lbx8 45* leg press - 540lbx9x6.5 490lbx7.5 Extensions - 90lbx16x10 Did a couple sets of plate pinches too. --- Im satisfied with the progress on the squats. First set went down a couple reps, but unlike last week, i wasnt using a spotter (who helped me through sticking points). Reps actually increased on the next 3 sets. Considering i dropped 2 lbs over the past week, and my hams are still killing me from saturday, id say im doing alright. Since this diet tweak, my weekly progress in the gym hasnt been noticably affected. Weights still seem to be progressing at their normal rate, even though fat loss has accellerated. I'm actually tempted to see how sadistic i can make this diet before i start losing muscle... just to see how uber the nutrient partioning effects of these avant products are.
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

05-11-2004, 08:13 PM	#234
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Went to the shrink today, he gave me a script for Effexor... Not really looking forward to this. I had tried effexor years ago, and i dont remember it helping much. The withdrawals when coming off are absolutely awful, too. He also has me at a rather annoying dose - 150mg. From what ive gathered, its nothing more than an SSRI at that dose, and doesnt have any effect on the NE pump until 200mg+. I suppose he knows what he's doing, though... Eh, whatever. This shit just better not start fucking with my body comp.
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

05-11-2004, 08:22 PM	#235
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,054 Photos: 2	Damn, good luck with that Get your blood tests back yet?
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05-11-2004, 08:36 PM	#236
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Nah, havent gotten them back yet. The last time i had blood work done it took the friggin doctor like 2 months to get back to me, and thats after i repeatedly harassed the secretary to get him to call me. Hopefully this time things will be faster.
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg