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Leptigen? You bet your sweet mass!
Finally freed from the shackles of silence and the shroud of secrecy of TPs TP-PT, I eagerly embark on my next endeavor, an experiment with Leptigen Mass. I plan to maintain current eating habits or possibly increase the amount of calories. For my workouts, I will revert back to something similar to what I had been doing prior to the TP-PT experiment.
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Meals (Times are approximate, Im not quite that anal!)
4:45 AM Pre-workout Protein/Carb shake (workout days only) 7:00 AM Post-workout Protein/Carb shake (at the gym, immediately following the workout) 7:45 AM Breakfast - bowl of cereal (Fiber One w/ wheat germ, milk), protein shake 9:30-10:00 AM Mid morning snack (usually tuna, sometimes smoked salmon, chicken, or turkey) 12:00-12:30 PM Lunch (usually 2 chicken breasts, vegetables or salad) 3:00-3:30 PM Mid afternoon snack (see Mid morning snack) 6:00-7:00 PM Dinner (fish, beef, or poultry, plus some combination of vegetables, salad, rice, pasta, except when at the Chinese buffet where almost anything goes) 9:30-10:00 PM Protein shake (just prior to bed) |
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Workouts
Week 1 Sun Strength training plus core. Squats, Bench Press, Deadlifts, Lower back, abs. Mon Back, calfs, plus either shoulders or arms Wed Chest, plus either arms or shoulders (whichever I didnt do Monday) Thu Legs, core Fri Back, calfs, plus either shoulders or arms (same as Monday) For week 2, almost everything stays the same, except shoulders and arms switch places. Cardio The article on clean cardio has piqued my interest. Im tentatively planning on doing it on Mon, Wed, and Fri. |
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And finally the stats. These stats are from prior to the start of TP-PT and at the end of each of the three phases.
.. .1/17 .2/9 .3/8 ...4/24 Weight 225 221 ..223 ..226 Neck: ..16.5 ..16.5 ...16.5 .16.5 L Arm: .16. .16 .. 16 . 16 R Arm: ....15.75.. ..15.75.. .16 15.75 Chest: ..46.75.. .47.125 ..48 ...48 L Thigh: ... 23.875....24 . .. 24 24.25 R Thigh: ..24 .. .24 . 24 24 Waist: ..38.75. ..38.75.. .38.75 ...38.875 Caliper measurements in mm (did it a few times, these are min and max readings) .... 1/17 ..2/9 ..3/11 ..4/24 Chest: 15, 16 .15, 16 .11, 13 14, 15 Abs: 14, 15 .14, 15 .12, 15 13, 15 Thigh: .... 10, 11 .10, 11 ..8, 10 .9, 11 That equates to a body-fat of between 13% and 15%. |
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Sun, Apr 25
Workout Squat 265 3x3 Box Squat 225 2x3 (10 box height) Bench Press 225 5x3 Deadlift 315 5x3 Platform deadlift 225 4x3 (Weights on floor, me on a 4 high platform, forcing a lower starting position) Good Morning 135 3x8 Hyperextensions 30 3x8 Crunch Machine 90 3x12 Cable Crunches 70 3x12 Bodyweight: 228 Comments Because its been over 3 months since Ive done this type of training, I decided to take it easy and start light. This was a good getting-back-in-the-groove workout. Meals Pre-workout protein drink Post workout protein drink #1 Post workout protein drink #2 Leptigen Bowl of Fiber One cereal with some wheat germ and a little milk Tuna sandwich (1 can) with a couple of slices of FF cheese, some multi-grain bread EAS ready to drink Carb Control Chocolate drink (100 cal, 3g F, 4g C, 15g P) Protein drink Smoked salmon Leptigen Grilled chicken breast Salad Pre-bed protein drink Last edited by CaptainDeadlift : 04-26-2004 at 07:27 PM. |
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OMGWTFBBQ
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: MA
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lol, i love the title.
So i take it you werent happy with the results for the TP-PT experiment? How much of a "beta" version were you using? Good luck with the LG: Mass. |
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After the progress that I had made through the first two phases, I was somewhat disappointed in phase 3. I would not say that I was unhappy. After seeing the results from the first two phases, perhaps I got a little greedy, expecting more than I had a right to. Chest size certainly got better. Other body parts did not respond as well. And I've always had skinny arms.
The results, taken in a vaccuum, are not particularly noteworthy, but they become better when put into context. 1. I was doing the original version of the program, which is somewhat like what the others are doing now, but a bit more difficult at times. Some of the "harder" exercises had to be eliminated and "easier" ones substituted. One such example was eliminating deadlifts in phase 1 and replacing them with BB rows. There were other significant changes made to phase 3, but you'll have to wait before I can tell you what they were. But we were still tweaking the program as I was working out. 2. At the age of 50, my test levels aren't exactly peaking. It gets more difficult to add muscle as the years go by. 3. I was on business travel for a total of 5 weeks during the training period. While I still had access to a gym, it's difficult to eat right when you're on the road and eating all your meals out. To make matters worse, my travels took me to Spain where the restaurants, shall we say, don't exactly cater to the health-conscious life-style of eating. The food was decent, but not always what I would have liked to eat. Thanks to MRPs, I was able to keep protein intake somewhat decent. 4. Finally, I came down with pneumonia during phase 3. That was bad enough, but I was in Spain when it happened. I survived for two weeks on cough medicine before I returned to the states and was able to get some anti-biotics. There was also a week off from training in there, a repeat of weeks 2 and 3, so I didn't exactly follow the plan that Twin Peak had hoped for. In spite of all these obstacles, I still managed to put on a little muscle and lost a little body-fat (not around the mid-section where I need it, though). Unhappy? Not at all. |
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OMGWTFBBQ
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: MA
Posts: 4,002
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Wow... when you put it like that, those results look pretty damn good. Any plans to try it again once TP has all the kinks worked out?
Were the "harder" exercises eliminated because it was leading to overtraining, or just because it was too much for a person to physically do in one day? |
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Peak Physiques
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: NY
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Personally, I am disappointed with those results.
Except, those aren't your actual results. The plan includes a 13th week of detraining. The final 2 weeks are tough, and it is expected that you will lose some size and strength (temporarily) and that extra week is critical. So of course your stats from the third Phase are not right. Get back to us in a week. That said, as my article will make clear, we won't all respond to each Phase equally and the length of each phase relative to the others must be altered. For example, for you I think 3 weeks in Phase 1, 5 in Phase 2, and 2 in Phase 3 would be ideal. |
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The biggest change that I can recall from phase 1 is to replace deadlifts and SLDLs (both in the same workout), with BB rows and leg curls. Notice that each workout is done twice a week, with an increasing number of sets. It was just too hard on the lower back during the higher volume weeks. |
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Mon, Apr 26
Workout CG Pulldown 195 x 8, 7, 7, 5 Seated cable rows 220 x 8, 8, 6, 5 CG Bench press 195 x 8, 8, 7 V-bar pressdown 70 x 8, 8 BB Curl 80 x 8, 7, 7 Cable hammer curls 60 x 8, 8 Standing calf raises 270 6 x 8 Clean Cardio 135 x 12, 8, 6, 5, 5 (30 - 40 sec RI) [sucking wind badly here, rested about 4 minutes] 115 x 8, 5, 4 (30 40 sec RI) Bodyweight: 226 Comments I havent done cardio in a looooong time, and boy did it show. Did I really say that Id do this 3 times a week? Meals Pre-workout protein drink Post workout protein drink #1 Post workout protein drink #2 Leptigen Can of Tuna w/ half hard-boiled egg Banana Baked chicken breasts Frozen green beans, peppers, and onions Can of Tuna w/ the other half of the hard-boiled egg Leptigen Steak Salad EAS chocolate drink Pre-bed protein drink |
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Peak Physiques
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: NY
Posts: 7,870
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To be clear, my comment above was not critical of you, but of my programs effects on you.
I know you were all out. Yeah, there is little reason to believe that every individual must stress the three golden principles equally, for optimal results. And there is every reason to believe that while everyone should focus on each to some degree, everyones body will not resond equally. |
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OMGWTFBBQ
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: MA
Posts: 4,002
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Damn... TP is hard to please.
I have trouble losing fat and adding mass at 20, all while eating right. Forget about doing it at 50, while travelling, and eating out. ![]() |
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Tue, Apr 27
No workout today Meals Leptigen Protein drink Bowl of Fiber One cereal with some wheat germ and a little milk Roast beef sandwich w/ FF cheese Protein drink Baked salmon w/ salsa (I cant believe the store didnt have any chicken breasts!) Frozen green beans, onions, and peppers Banana Roast beef sandwich w/ FF cheese EAS chocolate drink Protein drink Leptigen 3.5 Turkey burgers w/ salsa, 2 w/ FF cheese, no bread Salad Protein drink |
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Observations after 3 days
Effects nothing noticeable yet, although my appetite seemed to be insatiable Tuesday. Smell horrible. Taste better than it smells. When mixed with water, the result is like a weak fruit punch. It is much better when I mix it with Crystal Light Lemonade. |
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OMGWTFBBQ
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: MA
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Does mass use the same flavor system as rebirth? Cuz i absolutely love the taste of rebirth.
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Wed, Apr 28
Workout Flat Bench Press 225 2x5 205 2x8 Incline Dumbbell 70 2x8 Low Pulley Crossovers 80 2x8 BB Shrugs 405 2x8 (front), 2x8 (rear) Military Press / Dumbbell Side Delt Raise / Dumbbell Rear Delt Raise (done as a giant set) 95x8 / 20x8 / 30x8 (rest) 95x8 / 20x8 / 30x8 Clean Cardio 135 10, 7, 5, 3 (30 sec RI) [rest 2 minutes] 135 6, 5, 3 Bodyweight: 229 Meals Pre-workout protein drink Post workout protein drink #1 Post workout protein drink #2 Leptigen Bowl of Fiber One cereal with some wheat germ and a little milk Roast beef sandwich Baked salmon w/ salsa Frozen green beans, onions, and peppers Can of tuna EAS drink Leptigen Can of tuna EAS drink Smoked salmon Cashews Protein drink |
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OMGWTFBBQ
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: MA
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Nice bench... shrugs too. Do you use straps with those 405 shrugs? Shit, i can barely hang on to 225.
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Yes, I have to use straps to shrug that much weight for reps. Without straps, I'd probably get just 2 or 3 reps. I also use the straps for SLDLs. I find that by using the straps, I don't have to worry about the grip and can focus more on form and hitting the targetted muscle.
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Thu, Apr 29
Workout Box Squat (8 height) 225 x 5, 5, 5 Squat 265 x 6, 6, 5 Leg Press 810 x 8, 6 Leg Extension 200 x 8, 8 SLDL 225 x 6, 6 Leg Curl 130 x 8, 8 Good Mornings 145 x 8, 8 Hyperextensions 35 x 8, 7 Crunch Machine 100 x 10, 10, 10 Hanging Leg Raises 6, 6 Bodyweight: 229 Meals Pre-workout protein drink Post workout protein drink #1 Post workout protein drink #2 Leptigen Roast beef sandwich Meatballs, Sausage, Peppers, and Onions Protein Drink Leptigen [<--- forgot that in the original post] Grilled Teriyaki Chicken breasts 1 slice of pizza 1 mini Detour bar Protein Drink Last edited by CaptainDeadlift : 04-30-2004 at 10:44 AM. |
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I'm now in my sixth day of the great Leptigen Mass experiment. Bodyweight is slowly inching up (is that redundant?). After Friday's workout I weighed 230. The Leptigen seems to have more effect on me in the morning, when I have to force myself to eat after taking it. In the evening the effects are lessened. I haven't pushed too much with weights since this is supposed to be a deloading week after the overtraining from phase 3 week 4,
so it would not be fair to try to assess strength gains. Next week I'll turn it up a notch. TP, do you think that I should increase my intake to 3 times a day or maintain the current schedule? |
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Peak Physiques
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: NY
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3 times a day woudl be a good idea.
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Fri, Apr 30 - workout
Chinups 7, 5, 4, 4 BB Rows 225 x 7, 7, 6, 6 CG Bench press 205 x 7, 7 Overhead DB extensions 25 x 8, 8, 8 Preacher Curls 110 x 9, 8, 7 Standing DB Curls 40 x 7, 6 Seated calf raises 125 x 9, 8, 8, 8, 7, 7 Clean Cardio 135 x 10, 7, 6, 5, 4 (30 sec RI) [rest 2 minutes] 135 x 7, 5, 4, 4 (45 sec RI) Bodyweight: 230 |
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Fri, Apr 30 - meals
Pre-workout protein drink Post workout protein drink #1 Post workout protein drink #2 Leptigen Can of tuna Protein Drink Banana Baked salmon w/ salsa Frozen green beans, onions, and peppers Can of tuna EAS drink Protein drink Leptigen 2 Soy burgers w/ salsa Protein drink Comments I definitely need to go shopping this weekend and buy some food. |
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Sat, May 1 meals
Leptigen Protein drink Bowl of Fiber One cereal with some wheat germ and a little milk Roast beef sandwich w/ FF cheese EAS drink Leptigen Can of tuna EAS drink Protein drink Leptigen Smoked salmon Protein drink |
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