Thread: Leptigen? You bet your sweet mass!

Meals (Times are approximate, I’m not quite that anal!)

4:45 AM Pre-workout Protein/Carb shake (workout days only)
7:00 AM Post-workout Protein/Carb shake (at the gym, immediately following the workout)
7:45 AM Breakfast - bowl of cereal (Fiber One w/ wheat germ, milk), protein shake
9:30-10:00 AM Mid morning snack (usually tuna, sometimes smoked salmon, chicken, or turkey)
12:00-12:30 PM Lunch (usually 2 chicken breasts, vegetables or salad)
3:00-3:30 PM Mid afternoon snack (see Mid morning snack)
6:00-7:00 PM Dinner (fish, beef, or poultry, plus some combination of vegetables, salad, rice, pasta, except when at the Chinese buffet where almost anything goes)
9:30-10:00 PM Protein shake (just prior to bed)

Workouts

Week 1
Sun – Strength training plus core. Squats, Bench Press, Deadlifts, Lower back, abs.
Mon – Back, calfs, plus either shoulders or arms
Wed – Chest, plus either arms or shoulders (whichever I didn’t do Monday)
Thu – Legs, core
Fri – Back, calfs, plus either shoulders or arms (same as Monday)

For week 2, almost everything stays the same, except shoulders and arms switch places.

Cardio – The article on clean cardio has piqued my interest. I’m tentatively planning on doing it on Mon, Wed, and Fri.

And finally the stats. These stats are from prior to the start of TP-PT and at the end of each of the three phases.

………..…….1/17………….2/9…………….3/8……………...4/24
Weight ……225…………221……………..223……………..226
Neck: ……..16.5………..16.5…………...16.5…………….16.5
L Arm: …….16.………….16…………..……16…………….…16
R Arm: …....15.75..…..15.75..……….16………………15.75
Chest: ……..46.75..….47.125………..48……………...48
L Thigh: ...…23.875....24……….…..…24………………24.25
R Thigh: …..24………..….24………….…24………………24
Waist: ……..38.75.……..38.75..…….38.75………...38.875


Caliper measurements in mm (did it a few times, these are min and max readings)

…………....……1/17…………..2/9…………..3/11…………..4/24
Chest: ………15, 16……….15, 16……….11, 13…………14, 15
Abs: …………14, 15……….14, 15……….12, 15…………13, 15
Thigh: ….... 10, 11……….10, 11………..8, 10………….9, 11

That equates to a body-fat of between 13% and 15%.

Sun, Apr 25

Workout

Squat 265 – 3x3
Box Squat 225 – 2x3 (10” box height)
Bench Press 225 – 5x3
Deadlift 315 – 5x3
Platform deadlift 225 – 4x3 (Weights on floor, me on a 4” high platform, forcing a lower starting position)

Good Morning 135 – 3x8
Hyperextensions 30 – 3x8
Crunch Machine 90 – 3x12
Cable Crunches 70 – 3x12

Bodyweight: 228

Comments
Because it’s been over 3 months since I’ve done this type of training, I decided to take it easy and start light. This was a good getting-back-in-the-groove workout.


Meals

Pre-workout protein drink
Post workout protein drink #1
Post workout protein drink #2

Leptigen
Bowl of Fiber One cereal with some wheat germ and a little milk

Tuna sandwich (1 can) with a couple of slices of FF cheese, some multi-grain bread
EAS ready to drink Carb Control Chocolate drink (100 cal, 3g F, 4g C, 15g P)

Protein drink

Smoked salmon

Leptigen
Grilled chicken breast
Salad

Pre-bed protein drink

lol, i love the title.

So i take it you werent happy with the results for the TP-PT experiment? How much of a "beta" version were you using?

Good luck with the LG: Mass.

After the progress that I had made through the first two phases, I was somewhat disappointed in phase 3. I would not say that I was unhappy. After seeing the results from the first two phases, perhaps I got a little greedy, expecting more than I had a right to. Chest size certainly got better. Other body parts did not respond as well. And I've always had skinny arms.

The results, taken in a vaccuum, are not particularly noteworthy, but they become better when put into context.

1. I was doing the original version of the program, which is somewhat like what the others are doing now, but a bit more difficult at times. Some of the "harder" exercises had to be eliminated and "easier" ones substituted. One such example was eliminating deadlifts in phase 1 and replacing them with BB rows. There were other significant changes made to phase 3, but you'll have to wait before I can tell you what they were. But we were still tweaking the program as I was working out.

2. At the age of 50, my test levels aren't exactly peaking. It gets more difficult to add muscle as the years go by.

3. I was on business travel for a total of 5 weeks during the training period. While I still had access to a gym, it's difficult to eat right when you're on the road and eating all your meals out. To make matters worse, my travels took me to Spain where the restaurants, shall we say, don't exactly cater to the health-conscious life-style of eating. The food was decent, but not always what I would have liked to eat. Thanks to MRPs, I was able to keep protein intake somewhat decent.

4. Finally, I came down with pneumonia during phase 3. That was bad enough, but I was in Spain when it happened. I survived for two weeks on cough medicine before I returned to the states and was able to get some anti-biotics. There was also a week off from training in there, a repeat of weeks 2 and 3, so I didn't exactly follow the plan that Twin Peak had hoped for.

In spite of all these obstacles, I still managed to put on a little muscle and lost a little body-fat (not around the mid-section where I need it, though).

Unhappy? Not at all.

Wow... when you put it like that, those results look pretty damn good. Any plans to try it again once TP has all the kinks worked out?

Were the "harder" exercises eliminated because it was leading to overtraining, or just because it was too much for a person to physically do in one day?

Personally, I am disappointed with those results.

Except, those aren't your actual results. The plan includes a 13th week of detraining. The final 2 weeks are tough, and it is expected that you will lose some size and strength (temporarily) and that extra week is critical. So of course your stats from the third Phase are not right. Get back to us in a week.

That said, as my article will make clear, we won't all respond to each Phase equally and the length of each phase relative to the others must be altered.

For example, for you I think 3 weeks in Phase 1, 5 in Phase 2, and 2 in Phase 3 would be ideal.

Originally posted by Monolith
Any plans to try it again once TP has all the kinks worked out?

Were the "harder" exercises eliminated because it was leading to overtraining, or just because it was too much for a person to physically do in one day?

I may give it a try again in the fall. It looks like there will be too much travelling during the summer months to stay on a consistent training schedule. Gyms aren't open on weekends in Spain, at least not the ones I have access to.

The biggest change that I can recall from phase 1 is to replace deadlifts and SLDLs (both in the same workout), with BB rows and leg curls. Notice that each workout is done twice a week,
with an increasing number of sets. It was just too hard on the lower back during the higher volume weeks.

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Personally, I am disappointed with those results.

Boy, you are hard to please.

That said, as my article will make clear, we won't all respond to each Phase equally and the length of each phase relative to the others must be altered.

Interesting. That's one topic that we never discussed. While we discussed exercise selection, number of sets, etc., we never did touch on the subject of changing the duration of each phase.

For example, for you I think 3 weeks in Phase 1, 5 in Phase 2, and 2 in Phase 3 would be ideal.

Now you're talking!

Mon, Apr 26

Workout

CG Pulldown 195 x 8, 7, 7, 5
Seated cable rows 220 x 8, 8, 6, 5
CG Bench press 195 x 8, 8, 7
V-bar pressdown 70 x 8, 8
BB Curl 80 x 8, 7, 7
Cable hammer curls 60 x 8, 8
Standing calf raises 270 – 6 x 8

Clean Cardio
135 x 12, 8, 6, 5, 5 (30 - 40 sec RI)
[sucking wind badly here, rested about 4 minutes]
115 x 8, 5, 4 (30 – 40 sec RI)

Bodyweight: 226

Comments
I haven’t done cardio in a looooong time, and boy did it show. Did I really say that I’d do this 3 times a week?

Meals

Pre-workout protein drink
Post workout protein drink #1
Post workout protein drink #2

Leptigen
Can of Tuna w/ half hard-boiled egg
Banana

Baked chicken breasts
Frozen green beans, peppers, and onions

Can of Tuna w/ the other half of the hard-boiled egg

Leptigen
Steak
Salad
EAS chocolate drink

Pre-bed protein drink

To be clear, my comment above was not critical of you, but of my programs effects on you.

I know you were all out.

Yeah, there is little reason to believe that every individual must stress the three golden principles equally, for optimal results.

And there is every reason to believe that while everyone should focus on each to some degree, everyones body will not resond equally.

Damn... TP is hard to please. I have trouble losing fat and adding mass at 20, all while eating right. Forget about doing it at 50, while travelling, and eating out.

Tue, Apr 27

No workout today

Meals

Leptigen
Protein drink
Bowl of Fiber One cereal with some wheat germ and a little milk

Roast beef sandwich w/ FF cheese

Protein drink

Baked salmon w/ salsa (I can’t believe the store didn’t have any chicken breasts!)
Frozen green beans, onions, and peppers
Banana

Roast beef sandwich w/ FF cheese
EAS chocolate drink

Protein drink

Leptigen
3.5 Turkey burgers w/ salsa, 2 w/ FF cheese, no bread
Salad

Protein drink

Observations after 3 days

Effects – nothing noticeable yet, although my appetite seemed to be insatiable Tuesday.
Smell – horrible.
Taste – better than it smells.
When mixed with water, the result is like a weak fruit punch.
It is much better when I mix it with Crystal Light Lemonade.

Does mass use the same flavor system as rebirth? Cuz i absolutely love the taste of rebirth.

Hopefully TwinPeak will pop in and answer that question because I sure don't know.

Wed, Apr 28

Workout

Flat Bench Press
225 – 2x5
205 – 2x8

Incline Dumbbell
70 – 2x8

Low Pulley Crossovers
80 – 2x8

BB Shrugs
405 – 2x8 (front), 2x8 (rear)

Military Press / Dumbbell Side Delt Raise / Dumbbell Rear Delt Raise (done as a giant set)
95x8 / 20x8 / 30x8 (rest)
95x8 / 20x8 / 30x8

Clean Cardio
135 – 10, 7, 5, 3 (30 sec RI)
[rest 2 minutes]
135 – 6, 5, 3

Bodyweight: 229

Meals

Pre-workout protein drink
Post workout protein drink #1
Post workout protein drink #2

Leptigen
Bowl of Fiber One cereal with some wheat germ and a little milk

Roast beef sandwich

Baked salmon w/ salsa
Frozen green beans, onions, and peppers

Can of tuna
EAS drink

Leptigen
Can of tuna
EAS drink

Smoked salmon
Cashews

Protein drink

Nice bench... shrugs too. Do you use straps with those 405 shrugs? Shit, i can barely hang on to 225.

Yes, I have to use straps to shrug that much weight for reps. Without straps, I'd probably get just 2 or 3 reps. I also use the straps for SLDLs. I find that by using the straps, I don't have to worry about the grip and can focus more on form and hitting the targetted muscle.

Thu, Apr 29

Workout

Box Squat (8” height)
225 x 5, 5, 5

Squat
265 x 6, 6, 5

Leg Press
810 x 8, 6

Leg Extension
200 x 8, 8

SLDL
225 x 6, 6

Leg Curl
130 x 8, 8

Good Mornings
145 x 8, 8

Hyperextensions
35 x 8, 7

Crunch Machine
100 x 10, 10, 10

Hanging Leg Raises
6, 6

Bodyweight: 229

Meals

Pre-workout protein drink
Post workout protein drink #1
Post workout protein drink #2

Leptigen
Roast beef sandwich

Meatballs, Sausage, Peppers, and Onions

Protein Drink

Leptigen [<--- forgot that in the original post]
Grilled Teriyaki Chicken breasts
1 slice of pizza
1 mini Detour bar

Protein Drink

I'm now in my sixth day of the great Leptigen Mass experiment. Bodyweight is slowly inching up (is that redundant?). After Friday's workout I weighed 230. The Leptigen seems to have more effect on me in the morning, when I have to force myself to eat after taking it. In the evening the effects are lessened. I haven't pushed too much with weights since this is supposed to be a deloading week after the overtraining from phase 3 week 4,
so it would not be fair to try to assess strength gains. Next week I'll turn it up a notch.

TP, do you think that I should increase my intake to 3 times a day or maintain the current schedule?

3 times a day woudl be a good idea.

Fri, Apr 30 - workout

Chinups
7, 5, 4, 4

BB Rows
225 x 7, 7, 6, 6

CG Bench press
205 x 7, 7

Overhead DB extensions
25 x 8, 8, 8

Preacher Curls
110 x 9, 8, 7

Standing DB Curls
40 x 7, 6

Seated calf raises
125 x 9, 8, 8, 8, 7, 7

Clean Cardio
135 x 10, 7, 6, 5, 4 (30 sec RI)
[rest 2 minutes]
135 x 7, 5, 4, 4 (45 sec RI)

Bodyweight: 230

Fri, Apr 30 - meals

Pre-workout protein drink
Post workout protein drink #1
Post workout protein drink #2

Leptigen
Can of tuna

Protein Drink
Banana

Baked salmon w/ salsa
Frozen green beans, onions, and peppers

Can of tuna
EAS drink

Protein drink

Leptigen
2 Soy burgers w/ salsa

Protein drink

Comments
I definitely need to go shopping this weekend and buy some food.

Sat, May 1 – meals

Leptigen
Protein drink
Bowl of Fiber One cereal with some wheat germ and a little milk

Roast beef sandwich w/ FF cheese
EAS drink

Leptigen
Can of tuna
EAS drink

Protein drink

Leptigen
Smoked salmon

Protein drink

Originally posted by CaptainDeadlift
After the progress that I had made through the first two phases, I was somewhat disappointed in phase 3. I would not say that I was unhappy. After seeing the results from the first two phases, perhaps I got a little greedy, expecting more than I had a right to. Chest size certainly got better. Other body parts did not respond as well. And I've always had skinny arms.

The results, taken in a vaccuum, are not particularly noteworthy, but they become better when put into context.

1. I was doing the original version of the program, which is somewhat like what the others are doing now, but a bit more difficult at times. Some of the "harder" exercises had to be eliminated and "easier" ones substituted. One such example was eliminating deadlifts in phase 1 and replacing them with BB rows. There were other significant changes made to phase 3, but you'll have to wait before I can tell you what they were. But we were still tweaking the program as I was working out.

2. At the age of 50, my test levels aren't exactly peaking. It gets more difficult to add muscle as the years go by.

3. I was on business travel for a total of 5 weeks during the training period. While I still had access to a gym, it's difficult to eat right when you're on the road and eating all your meals out. To make matters worse, my travels took me to Spain where the restaurants, shall we say, don't exactly cater to the health-conscious life-style of eating. The food was decent, but not always what I would have liked to eat. Thanks to MRPs, I was able to keep protein intake somewhat decent.

4. Finally, I came down with pneumonia during phase 3. That was bad enough, but I was in Spain when it happened. I survived for two weeks on cough medicine before I returned to the states and was able to get some anti-biotics. There was also a week off from training in there, a repeat of weeks 2 and 3, so I didn't exactly follow the plan that Twin Peak had hoped for.

In spite of all these obstacles, I still managed to put on a little muscle and lost a little body-fat (not around the mid-section where I need it, though).

Unhappy? Not at all.

Alright chief, lets see the real post TP-PT stats.

One week stats


.................4/24…………..5/1
Weight ….…226…………...230
Neck: ……..16.5……….....16.5
L Arm: …….16……………...16.125
R Arm: …....15.75………...16
Chest: ……..48………….….48.25
L Thigh: ...…24.25………..24
R Thigh: .…..24………….….24
Waist: ……..38.875……….38.5


Caliper measurements in mm (did it a few times, these are min and max readings)

………….……4/24………..5/1
Chest: .…14, 15…..…14, 15
Abs: ………13, 15……..11, 13
Thigh: …...9, 11………..9, 11

Bodyfat…13.1-14.7….12.5-14.0