First M1T Cycle

Randy · 05-30-2004, 08:04 PM

Make sure your taking a liver conditioner like Milk Thistle. I'm sure you are, but just thought I would emphasize that.

ClintZ28 · 06-01-2004, 01:49 PM

The back problems were not related to the M1T. It is apparent now that I've injured my back pretty badly. I've never had any problem with my back, but I think I took some heavy shrugs too far past failure and somehow injured my back. I tried taking Motrin, and my back feels fine now. I'm going to try to get my workouts in this week and just work around the problem.

Randy · 06-01-2004, 02:22 PM

I would still suggest the liver conditioner...

ClintZ28 · 06-02-2004, 10:49 AM

My cycle has officially ended. It lasted 23 days. I used 10mg/day for the first week, and 15mg for half the second week, and then 20mg/day for the remainder of the cycle.
About every 4th day I got poor sleep due to some stress I'm under. However, I still managed to make great gains.

185lbs --> 192lbs
I think I lost around 2-3lbs of bodyfat.
My legs grew 3/4"
Arm 1/4"
I've mentioned some of my increases in lifts earlier in this log.
Now, I just have to maintain it to the best of my ability, and in 3 weeks, I'll run
another cycle, but this time, I will use 4-ad. Impotentence is no fun!

Randy · 06-02-2004, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClintZ28

My cycle has officially ended. It lasted 23 days. I used 10mg/day for the first week, and 15mg for half the second week, and then 20mg/day for the remainder of the cycle.
About every 4th day I got poor sleep due to some stress I'm under. However, I still managed to make great gains.

185lbs --> 192lbs
I think I lost around 2-3lbs of bodyfat.
My legs grew 3/4"
Arm 1/4"
I've mentioned some of my increases in lifts earlier in this log.
Now, I just have to maintain it to the best of my ability, and in 3 weeks, I'll run
another cycle, but this time, I will use 4-ad. Impotentence is no fun!

Even though your cycle ended, I would recommend taking Milk Thistle for 4 weeks post cycle. In addition to taking an anti estrogen blocker such as 6-OXO. This also jump starts your normal testosterone process, so your body goes back to making its own testosterone..... Important stuff !

ClintZ28 · 06-02-2004, 06:07 PM

Yeah, you are right. I started 6-OXO last night, taking 4 pills at night until the bottle is empty. I guess it will last around 2 weeks. I bought some milk thistle today and I've started taking it. I'm really looking forward to my next cycle which I will start in 3-4wks. I want to stack 4ad with 15-20mg/day of M1T, and I'm going to straighten out my probs with sleep. Hopefully, I'll be able to get over the 200lb mark with one more cycle. That would be awesome. My ultimate goal is in the 215-230lb range. I'm just going to go by my pictures, and see how much weight I think I need. Right now, looking at the pics that I took at 185lbs, it looks like I could use around 30lbs or more to bring out the shape I want.

The 6-OXO seems to be working instantly. It could be all in my head, but I got back a lot of sex drive just in the past two days. I was basically impotent at the last day of my cycle, and three days later, I have sex drive. That's a good sign for sure.

Randy · 06-02-2004, 06:37 PM

If your 6OXO bottle says the following:

- serving size = 3
- serving per container = 20
- amount per serving = 300mg

Then this is the appropriate cycle:

Week 1 - 600mg (3 pills in morning / 3 pills at night)
Week 2 - 400mg (2 pills morning / 2 pills at night)
Week 3 - 400mg (2 pills morning / 2 pills at night)
Week 4 - 300mg (2 pills morning / 1 at night)

Note: A 4 week cycle as described above will take (2) 6OXO bottles.

ClintZ28 · 06-02-2004, 07:01 PM

Man, I'm trying to get away with going through just one bottle. I would be spending around $70 for the post cycle, and around $14-$34 (depending on if I include the 4-ad) on the actual cycle. Damn...Do you really think I need to use that much? I can get Nolvadex from a friend at the gym for $1-2/pill, but I don't know how many pills I would have to take of that.

Randy · 06-02-2004, 07:28 PM

I know that cost is an important factor, but when it comes to my body's well being I set cost aside. The bottle recommends a 4-6 week cycle, as do the experienced prohormone people here. For me the cost was no surprise. I did my homework and knew what I was getting into before I commited myself to trying a cycle. So taken what I said, and the horror stories you hear about estrogen issues after cycles, I personally would make sure I did it right. If you want to skimp on the cycle, that is up to you though.

ClintZ28 · 06-02-2004, 08:01 PM

The only thing is, I did a 23 day cycle, so, shouldn't it only take around 23 days to get my system back to normal? I figured with the help of a full bottle of 6-OXO over a 2 week period, and then another week for my system to adjust would be adequate. I can also use tribulus along with the 6-OXO for the full three weeks off. I can get that pretty cheap.

Randy · 06-03-2004, 01:08 AM

Honestly I can't say for sure about how long you should take it based on shorter than 4 week cycles. You might want to pop that question off in the anabolic section to some of the gurus. But again, the bottle recommends a 4-6 week post cycle of 6-0X0.
If you uncover some good info on that, please let me know.

I'm Trying · 06-03-2004, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClintZ28

Man, I'm trying to get away with going through just one bottle. I would be spending around $70 for the post cycle, and around $14-$34 (depending on if I include the 4-ad) on the actual cycle. Damn...Do you really think I need to use that much? I can get Nolvadex from a friend at the gym for $1-2/pill, but I don't know how many pills I would have to take of that.

All depends on how many mg's they are each. But the Nolva is the best way to go. You can use the 6oxo but its good to have the Nolva in hand just in case.
Thanks

M.J.H. · 06-04-2004, 09:56 AM

How's the M1T treating you so far bro? While I was on it my workouts were absolutely incredible. I can't wait to start my 2nd 3-week cycle in a few days.

M.J.H. · 06-04-2004, 09:58 AM

BTW, for the 6-OXO, I did 3 caps 2x per day for 3 weeks. Worked well for me.

ClintZ28 · 06-04-2004, 10:11 AM

M1T is great, I can't wait to do another cycle of it. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to make the best of it because I had a few very stressful things come up. So, while I was on the cycle, I was stressed and couldn't sleep, and now that I have been off of it I have been losing a good portion of the weight.

Next time I give it a go, I will make sure that I have all my stressful stuff dealt with.

Also, I think I will do a 2 week cycle next time I use M1T alone. Man, in that 3rd week, my sex drive was gone. I have a gf, so it kinda became an issue. If I choose to use 4-ad on my next cycle, and I think I will, I may go again for 3 weeks, but without 4-ad, I probably will keep it to 2 week cycles.

I'm around 190lbs now, I was 185lbs when I started. I lost a couple of pounds of bodyfat, so maybe I'm still holding onto 7lbs of muscle. I hope that my next three week cycle with M1T and 4-ad, and a lot of changes in my training will take me over the 200lb mark. That would be awesome. I'll post some after pictures when I complete that cycle.

Randy · 06-04-2004, 05:05 PM

Monstar,

At your age, your not even supposed to take them at all

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonStar

BTW, for the 6-OXO, I did 3 caps 2x per day for 3 weeks. Worked well for me.

M.J.H. · 06-04-2004, 05:07 PM

Worked great for me, so no complaints.

Looking forward to the before and after pics.

05-30-2004, 08:04 PM	#31
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06-01-2004, 02:22 PM	#33
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	I would still suggest the liver conditioner...
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06-02-2004, 06:37 PM	#37
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	If your 6OXO bottle says the following: - serving size = 3 - serving per container = 20 - amount per serving = 300mg Then this is the appropriate cycle: Week 1 - 600mg (3 pills in morning / 3 pills at night) Week 2 - 400mg (2 pills morning / 2 pills at night) Week 3 - 400mg (2 pills morning / 2 pills at night) Week 4 - 300mg (2 pills morning / 1 at night) Note: A 4 week cycle as described above will take (2) 6OXO bottles.
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06-02-2004, 07:28 PM	#39
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	I know that cost is an important factor, but when it comes to my body's well being I set cost aside. The bottle recommends a 4-6 week cycle, as do the experienced prohormone people here. For me the cost was no surprise. I did my homework and knew what I was getting into before I commited myself to trying a cycle. So taken what I said, and the horror stories you hear about estrogen issues after cycles, I personally would make sure I did it right. If you want to skimp on the cycle, that is up to you though.
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06-02-2004, 08:01 PM	#40
ClintZ28 Cutting Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, Tx Posts: 117 Photos: 7	The only thing is, I did a 23 day cycle, so, shouldn't it only take around 23 days to get my system back to normal? I figured with the help of a full bottle of 6-OXO over a 2 week period, and then another week for my system to adjust would be adequate. I can also use tribulus along with the 6-OXO for the full three weeks off. I can get that pretty cheap. Last edited by ClintZ28 : 06-02-2004 at 08:20 PM.

06-01-2004, 01:49 PM	#32
ClintZ28 Cutting Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, Tx Posts: 117 Photos: 7	The back problems were not related to the M1T. It is apparent now that I've injured my back pretty badly. I've never had any problem with my back, but I think I took some heavy shrugs too far past failure and somehow injured my back. I tried taking Motrin, and my back feels fine now. I'm going to try to get my workouts in this week and just work around the problem.

06-02-2004, 10:49 AM	#34
ClintZ28 Cutting Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, Tx Posts: 117 Photos: 7	My cycle has officially ended. It lasted 23 days. I used 10mg/day for the first week, and 15mg for half the second week, and then 20mg/day for the remainder of the cycle. About every 4th day I got poor sleep due to some stress I'm under. However, I still managed to make great gains. 185lbs --> 192lbs I think I lost around 2-3lbs of bodyfat. My legs grew 3/4" Arm 1/4" I've mentioned some of my increases in lifts earlier in this log. Now, I just have to maintain it to the best of my ability, and in 3 weeks, I'll run another cycle, but this time, I will use 4-ad. Impotentence is no fun!

06-02-2004, 06:07 PM	#36
ClintZ28 Cutting Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, Tx Posts: 117 Photos: 7	Yeah, you are right. I started 6-OXO last night, taking 4 pills at night until the bottle is empty. I guess it will last around 2 weeks. I bought some milk thistle today and I've started taking it. I'm really looking forward to my next cycle which I will start in 3-4wks. I want to stack 4ad with 15-20mg/day of M1T, and I'm going to straighten out my probs with sleep. Hopefully, I'll be able to get over the 200lb mark with one more cycle. That would be awesome. My ultimate goal is in the 215-230lb range. I'm just going to go by my pictures, and see how much weight I think I need. Right now, looking at the pics that I took at 185lbs, it looks like I could use around 30lbs or more to bring out the shape I want. The 6-OXO seems to be working instantly. It could be all in my head, but I got back a lot of sex drive just in the past two days. I was basically impotent at the last day of my cycle, and three days later, I have sex drive. That's a good sign for sure.

06-02-2004, 07:01 PM	#38
ClintZ28 Cutting Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, Tx Posts: 117 Photos: 7	Man, I'm trying to get away with going through just one bottle. I would be spending around $70 for the post cycle, and around $14-$34 (depending on if I include the 4-ad) on the actual cycle. Damn...Do you really think I need to use that much? I can get Nolvadex from a friend at the gym for $1-2/pill, but I don't know how many pills I would have to take of that.

06-03-2004, 01:08 AM	#41
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	Honestly I can't say for sure about how long you should take it based on shorter than 4 week cycles. You might want to pop that question off in the anabolic section to some of the gurus. But again, the bottle recommends a 4-6 week post cycle of 6-0X0. If you uncover some good info on that, please let me know.
	- O F F I C I A L . L I N K . M A S T E R - Maintains a Reference to all Gopros P/RR/S Links Gopros latest routines: CLICK HERE Lift like a Chicken Look Like a Chicken

06-04-2004, 09:56 AM	#43
M.J.H. Obsessed Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Delaware Posts: 3,587 Photos: 12	How's the M1T treating you so far bro? While I was on it my workouts were absolutely incredible. I can't wait to start my 2nd 3-week cycle in a few days.
	Stats! 23 years old, 5'11.5", 206 lbs., ~8% bodyfat 380/455/655 bench/squat/deadlift (current) 405/495/675 bench/squat/deadlift (goals) The M.J.H. Chronicles

06-04-2004, 09:58 AM	#44
M.J.H. Obsessed Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Delaware Posts: 3,587 Photos: 12	BTW, for the 6-OXO, I did 3 caps 2x per day for 3 weeks. Worked well for me.
	Stats! 23 years old, 5'11.5", 206 lbs., ~8% bodyfat 380/455/655 bench/squat/deadlift (current) 405/495/675 bench/squat/deadlift (goals) The M.J.H. Chronicles

06-04-2004, 10:11 AM	#45
ClintZ28 Cutting Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, Tx Posts: 117 Photos: 7	M1T is great, I can't wait to do another cycle of it. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to make the best of it because I had a few very stressful things come up. So, while I was on the cycle, I was stressed and couldn't sleep, and now that I have been off of it I have been losing a good portion of the weight. Next time I give it a go, I will make sure that I have all my stressful stuff dealt with. Also, I think I will do a 2 week cycle next time I use M1T alone. Man, in that 3rd week, my sex drive was gone. I have a gf, so it kinda became an issue. If I choose to use 4-ad on my next cycle, and I think I will, I may go again for 3 weeks, but without 4-ad, I probably will keep it to 2 week cycles. I'm around 190lbs now, I was 185lbs when I started. I lost a couple of pounds of bodyfat, so maybe I'm still holding onto 7lbs of muscle. I hope that my next three week cycle with M1T and 4-ad, and a lot of changes in my training will take me over the 200lb mark. That would be awesome. I'll post some after pictures when I complete that cycle.

06-04-2004, 05:07 PM	#47
M.J.H. Obsessed Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Delaware Posts: 3,587 Photos: 12	Worked great for me, so no complaints. Looking forward to the before and after pics.
	Stats! 23 years old, 5'11.5", 206 lbs., ~8% bodyfat 380/455/655 bench/squat/deadlift (current) 405/495/675 bench/squat/deadlift (goals) The M.J.H. Chronicles

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