M4ohn

Monolith · 07-08-2004, 08:16 AM

High carb day today. Will be hittin the gym later. Small update... as expected, the higher dose of bupropion is fucking with my sleep. It should go away in a week or so, but it wont be very fun in the mean time.

Also, im bumping to 20mg/ED of m4ohn. Havent really seen shit at 12. I know i said i didnt want to go past 16... but i think that was a pipe dream, considering the recommendations ive seen + my body weight. Im not going past 20, though... as just about everyone has felt "it working" at doses that high. Besides, ive only got a few weeks left. I'll be taking 4mg 5x/day, one tab with each of my first 5 meals.

Monolith · 07-08-2004, 01:27 PM

Training for 7/8: Back/Traps

Rack deads
225lbx5
315lbx4
315lbx3
275lbx4
275lbx3
225lbx5
225lbx6

DB row
70lbx7/6
70lbx5.5/4.5
60lbx6/4

Pulldowns
110lbx12
110lbx8
110lbx8

---

DB shrugs
75lbx10
75lbx10
75lbx10

Reverse BB shrugs
155lbx12
155lbx12

---

My grip sucks hard. Could have gotten a couple more reps on each set of rack deads, but the bar would slip out of my left hand every goddamn time. I had the pins set just below my kneecaps. RI's were around 90s. Strength appears to be about the same as last week.

Also, as a side note - i dont like rack deads much. The weight seems to start too far away from my center of gravity because of the slight bend in my legs... unlike in a normal dead where the weight is under the bend and close to the ankle. That said, they do hit the back nicely once the weight is up.

Monolith · 07-09-2004, 12:53 PM

Training for 7/9: Shoulders/Triceps

DB mil press
50lbx8
45lbx7
40lbx7
40lbx6

Front plate raise
35lbx10
45lbx8 (some body english on this and following sets)
45lbx7
35lbx10

Reverse DB raise
20lbx12
20lbx12
20lbx10

---

CG press
135lbx8
135lbx6
135lbx5

Reverse grip press
135lbx5
115lbx6
115lbx6

Dips
-80lbx10
-80lbx8
(- = assisted weight)

---

Eh. Same old same old. RI's were 60-75s. No carb day today.

nikegurl · 07-09-2004, 12:56 PM

hi there - i saw where you mentioned that you're upping your M4OHN doseage. at this point have you noticed anything (good or bad) that you'd definitely attribute to the M4OHN? (i know it's less than 2 weeks but just checking)

**P-funk** · 07-09-2004, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Eh. Same old same old.

hang in there mon....workouts look good.

**IainDaniel** · 07-09-2004, 01:03 PM

So you have felt nothing from the M40hn eh?

I have read alot of dosing between 20-40mg

Have you tried M1T? That seems to be the only methylated Steriod that seems to provide results, mind you there side affects increase as well.

Monolith · 07-09-2004, 01:19 PM

Thus far i havent noticed anything from the m4ohn. There was that moment of strange "concentration" i seemed to have for a day about a week ago, but i havent experienced it since. Strength is still staying either the same or slowly declining. Im thinking i over-reacted with that "OH SHIT MY HAIR IS COMING OUT!" post... as its not.

I can only hope that with this latest bump to 20mg, something will finally "kick in"... if not, ill probably end this little test at 3.5 or 4 weeks. If all goes well, and this little pill actually gets off its ass and does something, ill probably run 5 weeks.

I do have some M5AA as well, and was contemplating stacking it with with the M4OHN pre-w/o, but im still concerned about hairloss, especially since M5AA really does convert to DHT... and ive got a history of MPB on both sides of my family.

As for M1T, ive got some of that too... but its really not something im interested in at this point. It seems geared towards size gains, and tends to bloat people quite significantly. Since im trying to cut, i went with the M4OHN.

P, thanks for the encouragement. I just keep reminding myself that one of these days ill actually get to bulk...

**P-funk** · 07-09-2004, 01:31 PM

Dude, just bulk now......you have been dieting for so damn long, your body is probably waiting for it and will welcome the change!!

PreMier · 07-09-2004, 05:36 PM

My Grandpa said "God only created a few perfect heads on this earth... and on the rest he put hair"

He is bald btw LOL

Monolith · 07-09-2004, 08:22 PM

P... you wouldnt want to bulk with a bodyfat like mine

And rofl... your grandpa may be bald now, but i doubt he was worrying about it at 20.

I ordered some finasteride, which i think im gonna start within the next year. I should probably just start it earlier, to stave off baldness as long as possible.

**P-funk** · 07-09-2004, 08:25 PM

What is you BF% at???

Monolith · 07-09-2004, 08:25 PM

17-18% maybe?

**P-funk** · 07-09-2004, 08:27 PM

What was it when you started your diet?

It can't be 17-18%, I wouldn't have guessed that looking at that one picture of you. I think you are overstimating.

Monolith · 07-09-2004, 08:46 PM

That pic i was probably around 21%... weighed about 235 @ 6'5". Im currently about 220, maybe a little lower.

I think because im tall it hides the weight pretty well. But trust me, with my shirt off, its not pretty.

PreMier · 07-10-2004, 11:11 AM

Actually my grandpa WAS bald at 20. I hope I dont loose my hair

Monolith · 07-10-2004, 12:36 PM

Training for 7/10: Hams/Calves/Abs

SLDL
225lbx8
225lbx7
225lbx6
185lbx8
185lbx7
135lbx8

Standing calf
225lbx8
225lbx8
225lbx7
225lbx6

Seated calf
135lbx8
135lbx8
135lbx8

Cable machine crunch
50lbx10
50lbx10
50lbx8
40lbx10

---

Interesting. RI's were around 90s. Weights and reps increased somewhat. May have something to do with an increase in grip strength, though... as looking at my notes from last week, my reps were cut short because my grip gave out on the SLDL's. Standing and seated calf raises were quite improved, even factoring in the increased RI. Bumped 20lbs on the standing calf raise for the same reps. Seated raise kept the weights the same, but reps increased quite a bit. Abs had a nice improvement, too.

Im quite curious to see what my stats are monday morning, now. Perhaps this crap is finally starting to kick in?

Monolith · 07-11-2004, 11:49 AM

No carb day. No gym. Just finished up the last of my eggology...

**P-funk** · 07-11-2004, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monolith

No carb day. No gym. Just finished up the last of my eggology...

was it worth it?

Monolith · 07-11-2004, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-funk

was it worth it?

Not really. Eggs arent really my favorite... id probably take chicken or tuna over them anyday (if their unflavored, anyway). So for $5 for one container, ill just stick to regular eggs when i get the urge.

Monolith · 07-12-2004, 08:23 AM

Stats for 7/12:

Stomach - 37.1"
Right arm - 16"
Left arm - 15.7"
Right quad - 25.2"
Left quad - 24.75"
Neck - 15.75"
BW - 220.5lbs

---

Interesting. Weight and measurements stayed roughly the same, with the exception of the gut... where i lost half an inch. I'll be curious to see what kind of weight im pushing in the gym today. If its consistent with last week, ill be a happy boy.

yellowmoomba · 07-12-2004, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monolith

Stats for 7/12:

Stomach - 37.1"
Right arm - 16"
Left arm - 15.7"
Right quad - 25.2"
Left quad - 24.75"
Neck - 15.75"
BW - 220.5lbs

---

Interesting. Weight and measurements stayed roughly the same, with the exception of the gut... where i lost half an inch. I'll be curious to see what kind of weight im pushing in the gym today. If its consistent with last week, ill be a happy boy.

Good job Mono!!! You are almost under 220!!

**IainDaniel** · 07-12-2004, 10:05 AM

Good job Mono!

No major changes in measurements other than Waist @ almost an 1" loss

Keep at it

Monolith · 07-12-2004, 10:44 AM

Thanks YM and Iain.

Monolith · 07-12-2004, 02:38 PM

Training for 7/12: Chest/Biceps

BB bench
185lbx5
165lbx6
145lbx8
135lbx8

DB incline
60lbx5
50lbx6
45lbx8

Cable xover
40lbx12
40lbx8
30lbx10

---

BB curl
65lbx8
65lbx6
barx9
barx8

Hammer DB curl
20lbx6
15lbx8
15lbx8

Hammer machine preacher
70lbx11
70lbx6

---

RI's were 45-60s for chest, 30-45s for biceps. I stopped 1 or 2 reps short of failure, again... ive trained to failure for eons, so im thinking ill just give this a shot, see what happens. Strength was pretty bad, especially on the BB press. I havent benched in 5 or 6 weeks, and i usually have a good rebound the first week or two after not doing it for a while, but still depressing.

I threw in a few sets of plate pinches too.

PreMier · 07-12-2004, 03:41 PM

So how do you feel?(IE: is "it" working?) I know when I dont do an exercise for a few weeks, it really suffers/feels odd.

Monolith · 07-12-2004, 09:24 PM

Well its doing something. My measurements this week were quite different from what theyve been the past several months. Usually my weight drops, and i lose a bit of tape all around. This week, weight stayed the same yet i lost around half an inch on the gut. That said, i cant yet see why, as strength seems about the same as last week (and thats pushing the truth a little). Of course, as i said, switching main exercises always screws with me for a couple weeks. Especially BB bench, it takes me a while to find my "groove" again. It probably didnt help that i did a crapload of warmup sets trying out the "shoulders in" form that Mudge and SF were posting about.

Anyway, tomorrow should be a good guage of progress. It's leg day, and i always squat.

**Jodi** · 07-12-2004, 11:03 PM

Not strange at all. It happens to me quite often where won't lose an ounce on the scale but still drop in measurements and strength will still be up. This is a good thing

nikegurl · 07-13-2004, 10:52 AM

it does sound like a good thing! do you notice any changes in the mirror?

also, has the m4ohn increased your appetite at all?

07-08-2004, 08:16 AM	#61
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	High carb day today. Will be hittin the gym later. Small update... as expected, the higher dose of bupropion is fucking with my sleep. It should go away in a week or so, but it wont be very fun in the mean time. Also, im bumping to 20mg/ED of m4ohn. Havent really seen shit at 12. I know i said i didnt want to go past 16... but i think that was a pipe dream, considering the recommendations ive seen + my body weight. Im not going past 20, though... as just about everyone has felt "it working" at doses that high. Besides, ive only got a few weeks left. I'll be taking 4mg 5x/day, one tab with each of my first 5 meals.
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

07-08-2004, 01:27 PM	#62
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Training for 7/8: Back/Traps Rack deads 225lbx5 315lbx4 315lbx3 275lbx4 275lbx3 225lbx5 225lbx6 DB row 70lbx7/6 70lbx5.5/4.5 60lbx6/4 Pulldowns 110lbx12 110lbx8 110lbx8 --- DB shrugs 75lbx10 75lbx10 75lbx10 Reverse BB shrugs 155lbx12 155lbx12 --- My grip sucks hard. Could have gotten a couple more reps on each set of rack deads, but the bar would slip out of my left hand every goddamn time. I had the pins set just below my kneecaps. RI's were around 90s. Strength appears to be about the same as last week. Also, as a side note - i dont like rack deads much. The weight seems to start too far away from my center of gravity because of the slight bend in my legs... unlike in a normal dead where the weight is under the bend and close to the ankle. That said, they do hit the back nicely once the weight is up.
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

07-09-2004, 12:53 PM	#63
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Training for 7/9: Shoulders/Triceps DB mil press 50lbx8 45lbx7 40lbx7 40lbx6 Front plate raise 35lbx10 45lbx8 (some body english on this and following sets) 45lbx7 35lbx10 Reverse DB raise 20lbx12 20lbx12 20lbx10 --- CG press 135lbx8 135lbx6 135lbx5 Reverse grip press 135lbx5 115lbx6 115lbx6 Dips -80lbx10 -80lbx8 (- = assisted weight) --- Eh. Same old same old. RI's were 60-75s. No carb day today.
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

07-09-2004, 12:56 PM	#64
nikegurl Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: LA, CA Posts: 5,635	hi there - i saw where you mentioned that you're upping your M4OHN doseage. at this point have you noticed anything (good or bad) that you'd definitely attribute to the M4OHN? (i know it's less than 2 weeks but just checking)
	If you want to achieve things that others can't... You have to do things that others won't.

07-09-2004, 01:03 PM	#66
IainDaniel My Role Model Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 15,602	So you have felt nothing from the M40hn eh? I have read alot of dosing between 20-40mg Have you tried M1T? That seems to be the only methylated Steriod that seems to provide results, mind you there side affects increase as well.
	Obstacles don't have to stop you. If you run into a wall, don't turn around and give up. Figure out how to climb it, go through it, or work around it. Michael Jordan

07-09-2004, 01:19 PM	#67
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Thus far i havent noticed anything from the m4ohn. There was that moment of strange "concentration" i seemed to have for a day about a week ago, but i havent experienced it since. Strength is still staying either the same or slowly declining. Im thinking i over-reacted with that "OH SHIT MY HAIR IS COMING OUT!" post... as its not. I can only hope that with this latest bump to 20mg, something will finally "kick in"... if not, ill probably end this little test at 3.5 or 4 weeks. If all goes well, and this little pill actually gets off its ass and does something, ill probably run 5 weeks. I do have some M5AA as well, and was contemplating stacking it with with the M4OHN pre-w/o, but im still concerned about hairloss, especially since M5AA really does convert to DHT... and ive got a history of MPB on both sides of my family. As for M1T, ive got some of that too... but its really not something im interested in at this point. It seems geared towards size gains, and tends to bloat people quite significantly. Since im trying to cut, i went with the M4OHN. P, thanks for the encouragement. I just keep reminding myself that one of these days ill actually get to bulk...
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

07-09-2004, 01:31 PM	#68
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,425	Dude, just bulk now......you have been dieting for so damn long, your body is probably waiting for it and will welcome the change!!
	http://pwtraining.blogspot.com/.....come and see what is on my mind! http://ivonneberkowitz.blogspot.com/....check out Ivonne's new blog! Optimum Sports Performance "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

07-09-2004, 05:36 PM	#69
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,081 Photos: 2	My Grandpa said "God only created a few perfect heads on this earth... and on the rest he put hair" He is bald btw LOL
	P-side Inc. "the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

07-09-2004, 08:22 PM	#70
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	P... you wouldnt want to bulk with a bodyfat like mine And rofl... your grandpa may be bald now, but i doubt he was worrying about it at 20. I ordered some finasteride, which i think im gonna start within the next year. I should probably just start it earlier, to stave off baldness as long as possible.
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

07-09-2004, 08:25 PM	#71
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,425	What is you BF% at???
	http://pwtraining.blogspot.com/.....come and see what is on my mind! http://ivonneberkowitz.blogspot.com/....check out Ivonne's new blog! Optimum Sports Performance "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

07-09-2004, 08:27 PM	#73
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,425	What was it when you started your diet? It can't be 17-18%, I wouldn't have guessed that looking at that one picture of you. I think you are overstimating.
	http://pwtraining.blogspot.com/.....come and see what is on my mind! http://ivonneberkowitz.blogspot.com/....check out Ivonne's new blog! Optimum Sports Performance "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

07-09-2004, 08:46 PM	#74
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	That pic i was probably around 21%... weighed about 235 @ 6'5". Im currently about 220, maybe a little lower. I think because im tall it hides the weight pretty well. But trust me, with my shirt off, its not pretty.
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

07-10-2004, 11:11 AM	#75
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,081 Photos: 2	Actually my grandpa WAS bald at 20. I hope I dont loose my hair
	P-side Inc. "the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

07-10-2004, 12:36 PM	#76
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Training for 7/10: Hams/Calves/Abs SLDL 225lbx8 225lbx7 225lbx6 185lbx8 185lbx7 135lbx8 Standing calf 225lbx8 225lbx8 225lbx7 225lbx6 Seated calf 135lbx8 135lbx8 135lbx8 Cable machine crunch 50lbx10 50lbx10 50lbx8 40lbx10 --- Interesting. RI's were around 90s. Weights and reps increased somewhat. May have something to do with an increase in grip strength, though... as looking at my notes from last week, my reps were cut short because my grip gave out on the SLDL's. Standing and seated calf raises were quite improved, even factoring in the increased RI. Bumped 20lbs on the standing calf raise for the same reps. Seated raise kept the weights the same, but reps increased quite a bit. Abs had a nice improvement, too. Im quite curious to see what my stats are monday morning, now. Perhaps this crap is finally starting to kick in?
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

07-11-2004, 11:49 AM	#77
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	No carb day. No gym. Just finished up the last of my eggology...
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

07-12-2004, 08:23 AM	#80
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Stats for 7/12: Stomach - 37.1" Right arm - 16" Left arm - 15.7" Right quad - 25.2" Left quad - 24.75" Neck - 15.75" BW - 220.5lbs --- Interesting. Weight and measurements stayed roughly the same, with the exception of the gut... where i lost half an inch. I'll be curious to see what kind of weight im pushing in the gym today. If its consistent with last week, ill be a happy boy.
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

07-12-2004, 10:05 AM	#82
IainDaniel My Role Model Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 15,602	Good job Mono! No major changes in measurements other than Waist @ almost an 1" loss Keep at it
	Obstacles don't have to stop you. If you run into a wall, don't turn around and give up. Figure out how to climb it, go through it, or work around it. Michael Jordan

07-12-2004, 10:44 AM	#83
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Thanks YM and Iain.
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

07-12-2004, 02:38 PM	#84
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Training for 7/12: Chest/Biceps BB bench 185lbx5 165lbx6 145lbx8 135lbx8 DB incline 60lbx5 50lbx6 45lbx8 Cable xover 40lbx12 40lbx8 30lbx10 --- BB curl 65lbx8 65lbx6 barx9 barx8 Hammer DB curl 20lbx6 15lbx8 15lbx8 Hammer machine preacher 70lbx11 70lbx6 --- RI's were 45-60s for chest, 30-45s for biceps. I stopped 1 or 2 reps short of failure, again... ive trained to failure for eons, so im thinking ill just give this a shot, see what happens. Strength was pretty bad, especially on the BB press. I havent benched in 5 or 6 weeks, and i usually have a good rebound the first week or two after not doing it for a while, but still depressing. I threw in a few sets of plate pinches too.
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

07-12-2004, 03:41 PM	#85
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,081 Photos: 2	So how do you feel?(IE: is "it" working?) I know when I dont do an exercise for a few weeks, it really suffers/feels odd.
	P-side Inc. "the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

07-12-2004, 09:24 PM	#86
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	Well its doing something. My measurements this week were quite different from what theyve been the past several months. Usually my weight drops, and i lose a bit of tape all around. This week, weight stayed the same yet i lost around half an inch on the gut. That said, i cant yet see why, as strength seems about the same as last week (and thats pushing the truth a little). Of course, as i said, switching main exercises always screws with me for a couple weeks. Especially BB bench, it takes me a while to find my "groove" again. It probably didnt help that i did a crapload of warmup sets trying out the "shoulders in" form that Mudge and SF were posting about. Anyway, tomorrow should be a good guage of progress. It's leg day, and i always squat.
	http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ek867/dexamyl.jpg

07-12-2004, 11:03 PM	#87
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,265 Photos: 1	Not strange at all. It happens to me quite often where won't lose an ounce on the scale but still drop in measurements and strength will still be up. This is a good thing
	Essence EFA

07-13-2004, 10:52 AM	#88
nikegurl Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: LA, CA Posts: 5,635	it does sound like a good thing! do you notice any changes in the mirror? also, has the m4ohn increased your appetite at all?
	If you want to achieve things that others can't... You have to do things that others won't.