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Saturday Fever · 09-10-2004, 03:49 PM

I was just ribbing you. You're obviously doing fine. But I admit I'm a Westside bigot.

Would your strength gains be better on Westside? Certainly. But maybe not the same as you see strength. Squatting 450 20 times doesn't translate to a 1RM of 700, as some would believe. So maybe you swap to a training method that focuses on the 1RM and you squat 500. That doesn't seem like a big strength gain at all. But it's the way you train.

If you're looking for huge 1RM's, definitely Westside will produce the results, hands down, better than anything else out there. If your version of strength is squatting 450 for 20 reps, Westside isn't going to get you there.

So it's perspective really. But again, I was just ribbing you with the shoe bit.

gr81 · 09-10-2004, 03:52 PM

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It seems like the very good progress I've had, though, it would be foolish to switch up until the progress dies. Working my squats once a week I've yet to plateau in probably 3 months. Would my progress be better with Westside? I'm not sure. I'd love hearing you WS experts opinions though.

I agree with that, if its still workin, then don't fucc with it. you never wanna interrupt progress. I can feel that fa sho.. Westside isn't just switching programs real quick thou. this is gonna sound cliche, but I swear its a way of life dude. Its more than just getting in the gym and squatting or benching.. read up on it if you want. I am not trying to get you to change your shit around or anything, but its the real deal no question..

Duncans Donuts · 09-10-2004, 04:01 PM

Thanks for the input, fellas.

Here's a question: how long do you spend in the gym doing WS? How many days a week is it? I'm starting up speed/agility/endurance drills for football training (I have a year to allow a seriously damaged ankle ligament to heal) and I'm going to be spending as little time in the gym as possible for strength purposes.

What do you think would be a better program for football, in any case? A program that better trains 1-rm or stays in a relatively higher rep range?

SF: I remember when Dr. Squat Hatfield going against Tom Platz in a squat competition, with Hatfield (WS guy, right?) crushing him in the 1-rm but Platz winning in terms of # of reps. It's amazing the distinction training methods can influence in terms of reps and one rep max.

Gr8: As far as Randy and BB is concerned,

Saturday Fever · 09-10-2004, 04:13 PM

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Here's a question: how long do you spend in the gym doing WS?

It varies, but I stop at 60 minutes, period. Generally I can get done in 30-45 but on big volume days, it may take longer. On the rare occassion it runs longer, the stop point is 60 minutes.

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What do you think would be a better program for football, in any case?

For football, you'd want to incorporate some explosive work like cleans and such. But depending on the position, you may need quick bursts or power or you may need the stamina to go chasing down a receiver. It really depends and falls into the realm of sport specific training.

gr81 · 09-10-2004, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Duncans Donuts

Here's a question: how long do you spend in the gym doing WS? How many days a week is it? I'm starting up speed/agility/endurance drills for football training (I have a year to allow a seriously damaged ankle ligament to heal) and I'm going to be spending as little time in the gym as possible for strength purposes.

40-60 mins, like SF said.. football eh, very nice. What position, and what kinid of organization are you playin for if yo don't mind me asking?

What do you think would be a better program for football, in any case? A program that better trains 1-rm or stays in a relatively higher rep range?

I would think that football specific training would be most efficiently catered with strrength endurance,. High reps ranges really have no place, but 1RM may be too mquick. The average football play is something like 5 secs, right? It would be hard to follow westside to the T and you have otehr goals than to total your lifts. I will say that the fundamentals of Westside, which focus on building the torso(abs and lowerback) and hams would really benefit you. Its all about core training in football so you could defn take different aspects of the conjugated method and utilize them in your training program, ya feel me?

SF: I remember when Dr. Squat Hatfield going against Tom Platz in a squat competition, with Hatfield (WS guy, right?) crushing him in the 1-rm but Platz winning in terms of # of reps. It's amazing the distinction training methods can influence in terms of reps and one rep max.

It is crazy how teh level of performance varies. I am still trying to adjust since I have been training in higher rep ranges my whole life..Both are very impressive and theres something to be said for being able to be that strong for that length of time.

Gr8: As far as Randy and BB is concerned,

ha ha, Too funny. dude did you see whn he was talkin that shit, I asked him a few simple Q's pertaining to weight lifting that were pretty easy to answer, giving him a chance to prove he knew something since he was trying to call me on my knowledge, and he just avoided them and tried to make fun of me for asking them. what a lil biatch...

Duncans Donuts · 09-11-2004, 12:24 AM

Just a JUCO for football, but I injured myself a month before training started. The reason I'm squatting in a high rep range is because I got to 475 at about 8 reps and nearly killed myself with the weight slipping, and I lowered the weight to about 365 and started busting out higher reps. Now I'm climbing closer to the rep range that I almost broke my neck with.

Most of my other rep ranges are relatively lower, between 6-10 and 4-8 on most. I won't touch power cleans because of my lower back problem, and I feel that explosive behavior on the football field has to be trained on the field.

Randy is of the belief, Gr81, that he knows something about bodybuilding. In fact, he simply regurgitates the beliefs of others (people I actually respect), many of these notions having no basis in physiology. He has yet to say one substantive thing in this forum, except for his 18" arm picture, which is substantive in it's comedic value. Oddly enough, we are the same height and probably 8 pounds apart.

So anyway, fuck that bitch, ya heard? Thanks for lookin in guys.

yellowmoomba · 09-11-2004, 07:43 AM

DD -

Did I miss something - Who is Randy?? You guys had some funny comments

Duncans Donuts · 09-11-2004, 02:38 PM

Long story. Check out the tail end of the "lift for outer biceps" thread. Very annoying.

gr81 · 09-11-2004, 06:53 PM

hey DD, I got a couple of articles that may be of interest to you regarding football training and what not. thought you might wanna peep em:

http://www.elitefts.com/documents/ex...all-player.htm

http://www.elitefts.com/documents/we...g_football.htm

Duncans Donuts · 09-12-2004, 05:20 PM

Thanks for the links Gr8. I'm sure I'll incorporate a lot of the suggestions into my football workout.

Today:
Squats: 425 x 17 (stuck on 18)
Leg extensions: 175 x 4 (one leg at a time, rest pause)
Ankle rehab: Light calf work
Sit-ups: BW + 145 x 9

Another taxing leg workout. A ligament in my left ankle I tore 6 months ago has been giving me trouble, so I'm doing light work to rehab it. My squats felt great and on rep 18 I just collapsed. I also added a load of weight on sit-ups - 3 plates plus my bodyweight really fatigued my abdominals. Also, my rest pause leg extensions progressed well from last week.

Once a week leg workouts are all my body can handle given the weight and intensity. Also, deadlifts fatigue my hams in the middle of the week, and they are barely ready for work 4 or 5 days later.

M.J.H. · 09-12-2004, 05:25 PM

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Squats: 425 x 17 (stuck on 18)

Holy sh*t!

How deep are these done? I have never heard of anyone squatting 425 for 17, ever, lol. Any videos?

Duncans Donuts · 09-12-2004, 05:28 PM

They are done full parallel, on a smith machine. Last few reps I go as deep as possible. No, no videos

My bro is a mod, though, if you wanna ask for confirmation. I'm not full of shit.

M.J.H. · 09-12-2004, 07:26 PM

Oh, Smith-machine squats. I had no idea that's what you were talking about, sorry. When you do your squats how far do you put your feet forward, just curious? I have done Smith squats before and I wasn't too fond of them.

BTW, is 425 in plates? Like four 45's and and a 25 and a 10 and all that on each side? Or are you counting the Smith-machine bar in 425?

BTW, you definitely need to get a video up of 545 for 6 in deadlifts, regardless of which moderator you know, lol. That's just purely for motivational reasons. Do you pull conventional or sumo style? And how old are you again bro? Sorry for all the questions.

gr81 · 09-12-2004, 09:06 PM

^ I agree with mono, I wanna see that shit maYn! pullin that LITE WATE BABBYY!!..ha ha. Let me ask, why do you squat on the smith machine just out of curiosity. I know you had an injury, but if you continue you will see more injuries. The smith is horrible to squat on in pretty much every way possible, trust that. That is a beast of a squat thou.. and yeah who is your bro btw, curious minds wanna know! lol.. peace DD

M.J.H. · 09-12-2004, 09:11 PM

IM member camaro6 is his brother I think. I am not saying that he's bullsh*tting at all. I am saying that with 425 for 15+ reps, a video is a must. And 545 for 6 in deadlift? That's crazy---I have never seen anyone pull like that before. I am just curious what kind of form and technique and all that he uses.

Duncans Donuts · 09-13-2004, 12:40 AM

The bar weighs 25 on the smith, so today I did 4 plates and 25s.

I squat with a smith for two reasons. #1, I have a gym at my house, and #2, I don't have a power rack. If I had a rack I would. Unfortunately the machine was bought before I knew what I was doing, and I can go to failure on the Smith, which is essential in my training philosophy.

As far as deadlifts go, I pull conventional. I stopped doing them a few weeks ago (see past posts) and went to rack deadlifts because my lower back has not been doing well, and I like using the more massive amounts of weight in the stronger range of motion.

I'm 20 years old, btw.

camarosuper6 · 09-13-2004, 02:51 AM

Im still better looking.

camarosuper6 · 09-13-2004, 02:57 AM

Here's a question for the WestSide Gangstas.. how good is WS for hypertrophy?

I know that hypertrophy is at least 50 percent diet, but with that in mind, how effective is WS for not just power, but growth.

gr81 · 09-13-2004, 04:28 PM

you will build an unbelievable foundation, no question. all that core work and ham work, everyone elses weak points will be your strong points. Of course alot of the show muscles like quads and bis are not really the focus.. I its not liek you won't groa thou, lifting all that LITE WATE!! lol

Duncans Donuts · 09-15-2004, 04:25 PM

Today's workout:

Military press: 220 x 5 (stuck on 6th)
Behind the back shrugs: 315 x 9
Barbell curl: 145 x 7
Tricep pulldowns: 137.5 x 6 (superset dips)
Dips: x 3

I adjusted the rep range for some exercises that I felt were lagging and addressed this with an attempted "CNS shot in the arm". I really had 6 reps on my military press (to my surprise) but I didn't lock it out (probably an inch away from elbows locked) because I lost balance and nearly dropped the weight on my head. After two weeks of rest pause curls I improved my normal curls by 20 pounds and lost only a rep. Slow negatives on each rep, about 8 second negatives on the final one. I used straps for my behind the back shrugs and was pleasantly surprised. My range of motion was perefect to form except on my last rep, where the weight barely moved.

M.J.H. · 09-15-2004, 05:31 PM

Workouts are looking great bro, what kind of ROM are you using on the military presses? Taking the bar down to your chest or stopping when the bar gets to you ears? I have seen people do both, just curious.

You gotta' get some videos up man, these lifts are nuts!

yellowmoomba · 09-15-2004, 07:20 PM

Workouts look SOLID!! Where are your football training exercises??

Duncans Donuts · 09-15-2004, 11:07 PM

Monstar: I use a relatively close grip on my military press. My hands are probably 6 or 7 inches from each other. I go just below my chin. I recently changed the grip, and used to go down to my chest, but now I can't. Thanks for the encouragment Monstar

. I appreciate it. I'll look into digital cameras sometime.

YM: Thanks man. Unfortunately a tendon that was slightly torn in my left ankle is aggrevated, so I'm rehabing it for a few months before I can begin the rest of my football training

I'm hoping it will be at 100 percent sooner, but I'm so busy with work and with improving my lifts that over-exerting myself could further damage it.

Saturday Fever · 09-16-2004, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by camarosuper6

Here's a question for the WestSide Gangstas.. how good is WS for hypertrophy?

I know that hypertrophy is at least 50 percent diet, but with that in mind, how effective is WS for not just power, but growth.

This has been a semi-ongoing debate for a while now, actually. If your diet is right, Westside will make you massive. Ripped? All diet. But yes, a Westside routine will leave you not only lifting weights you never thought possible, it'll leave you massive.

09-10-2004, 03:49 PM	#91
Saturday Fever Pimp Gimp Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: California Posts: 2,142 Photos: 4	BODYBUILDING SUPPLEMENTS High Quality Supplements For Bodybuilders and Athletes. www.ironmaglabs.com I was just ribbing you. You're obviously doing fine. But I admit I'm a Westside bigot. Would your strength gains be better on Westside? Certainly. But maybe not the same as you see strength. Squatting 450 20 times doesn't translate to a 1RM of 700, as some would believe. So maybe you swap to a training method that focuses on the 1RM and you squat 500. That doesn't seem like a big strength gain at all. But it's the way you train. If you're looking for huge 1RM's, definitely Westside will produce the results, hands down, better than anything else out there. If your version of strength is squatting 450 for 20 reps, Westside isn't going to get you there. So it's perspective really. But again, I was just ribbing you with the shoe bit.
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09-10-2004, 04:01 PM	#93
Duncans Donuts Stay puffed, baby. Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: CA Posts: 2,774 Photos: 2	Thanks for the input, fellas. Here's a question: how long do you spend in the gym doing WS? How many days a week is it? I'm starting up speed/agility/endurance drills for football training (I have a year to allow a seriously damaged ankle ligament to heal) and I'm going to be spending as little time in the gym as possible for strength purposes. What do you think would be a better program for football, in any case? A program that better trains 1-rm or stays in a relatively higher rep range? SF: I remember when Dr. Squat Hatfield going against Tom Platz in a squat competition, with Hatfield (WS guy, right?) crushing him in the 1-rm but Platz winning in terms of # of reps. It's amazing the distinction training methods can influence in terms of reps and one rep max. Gr8: As far as Randy and BB is concerned,
	"in the howling bleeding nights, the dogs plunge into the Volga and swim desperately to gain the other bank. The nights of Stalingrad are a terror for them. Animals flee this hell; the hardest stones cannot bear it for long; only men endure."

09-11-2004, 12:24 AM	#96
Duncans Donuts Stay puffed, baby. Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: CA Posts: 2,774 Photos: 2	Just a JUCO for football, but I injured myself a month before training started. The reason I'm squatting in a high rep range is because I got to 475 at about 8 reps and nearly killed myself with the weight slipping, and I lowered the weight to about 365 and started busting out higher reps. Now I'm climbing closer to the rep range that I almost broke my neck with. Most of my other rep ranges are relatively lower, between 6-10 and 4-8 on most. I won't touch power cleans because of my lower back problem, and I feel that explosive behavior on the football field has to be trained on the field. Randy is of the belief, Gr81, that he knows something about bodybuilding. In fact, he simply regurgitates the beliefs of others (people I actually respect), many of these notions having no basis in physiology. He has yet to say one substantive thing in this forum, except for his 18" arm picture, which is substantive in it's comedic value. Oddly enough, we are the same height and probably 8 pounds apart. So anyway, fuck that bitch, ya heard? Thanks for lookin in guys.
	"in the howling bleeding nights, the dogs plunge into the Volga and swim desperately to gain the other bank. The nights of Stalingrad are a terror for them. Animals flee this hell; the hardest stones cannot bear it for long; only men endure."

09-11-2004, 07:43 AM	#97
yellowmoomba YM Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 5,462 Photos: 2	DD - Did I miss something - Who is Randy?? You guys had some funny comments
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09-11-2004, 02:38 PM	#98
Duncans Donuts Stay puffed, baby. Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: CA Posts: 2,774 Photos: 2	Long story. Check out the tail end of the "lift for outer biceps" thread. Very annoying.
	"in the howling bleeding nights, the dogs plunge into the Volga and swim desperately to gain the other bank. The nights of Stalingrad are a terror for them. Animals flee this hell; the hardest stones cannot bear it for long; only men endure."

09-11-2004, 06:53 PM	#99
gr81 You Lack Intensity!!!! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Just below our civil disguise Posts: 6,378 Photos: 10	hey DD, I got a couple of articles that may be of interest to you regarding football training and what not. thought you might wanna peep em: http://www.elitefts.com/documents/ex...all-player.htm http://www.elitefts.com/documents/we...g_football.htm
	Testosterone Site/Elite Fitness-Dave Tate/West Side Barbell/Berardi Nutrition & Sports Performance/Steroid Laws- Rick Collins/John Defendis Intensity or Insanity articles/Save the Supersonics

09-12-2004, 05:20 PM	#100
Duncans Donuts Stay puffed, baby. Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: CA Posts: 2,774 Photos: 2	Thanks for the links Gr8. I'm sure I'll incorporate a lot of the suggestions into my football workout. Today: Squats: 425 x 17 (stuck on 18) Leg extensions: 175 x 4 (one leg at a time, rest pause) Ankle rehab: Light calf work Sit-ups: BW + 145 x 9 Another taxing leg workout. A ligament in my left ankle I tore 6 months ago has been giving me trouble, so I'm doing light work to rehab it. My squats felt great and on rep 18 I just collapsed. I also added a load of weight on sit-ups - 3 plates plus my bodyweight really fatigued my abdominals. Also, my rest pause leg extensions progressed well from last week. Once a week leg workouts are all my body can handle given the weight and intensity. Also, deadlifts fatigue my hams in the middle of the week, and they are barely ready for work 4 or 5 days later.
	"in the howling bleeding nights, the dogs plunge into the Volga and swim desperately to gain the other bank. The nights of Stalingrad are a terror for them. Animals flee this hell; the hardest stones cannot bear it for long; only men endure."

09-12-2004, 05:28 PM	#102
Duncans Donuts Stay puffed, baby. Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: CA Posts: 2,774 Photos: 2	They are done full parallel, on a smith machine. Last few reps I go as deep as possible. No, no videos My bro is a mod, though, if you wanna ask for confirmation. I'm not full of shit.
	"in the howling bleeding nights, the dogs plunge into the Volga and swim desperately to gain the other bank. The nights of Stalingrad are a terror for them. Animals flee this hell; the hardest stones cannot bear it for long; only men endure."

09-12-2004, 07:26 PM	#103
M.J.H. Obsessed Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Delaware Posts: 3,587 Photos: 12	Oh, Smith-machine squats. I had no idea that's what you were talking about, sorry. When you do your squats how far do you put your feet forward, just curious? I have done Smith squats before and I wasn't too fond of them. BTW, is 425 in plates? Like four 45's and and a 25 and a 10 and all that on each side? Or are you counting the Smith-machine bar in 425? BTW, you definitely need to get a video up of 545 for 6 in deadlifts, regardless of which moderator you know, lol. That's just purely for motivational reasons. Do you pull conventional or sumo style? And how old are you again bro? Sorry for all the questions.
	Stats! 23 years old, 5'11.5", 206 lbs., ~8% bodyfat 380/455/655 bench/squat/deadlift (current) 405/495/675 bench/squat/deadlift (goals) The M.J.H. Chronicles

09-12-2004, 09:06 PM	#104
gr81 You Lack Intensity!!!! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Just below our civil disguise Posts: 6,378 Photos: 10	^ I agree with mono, I wanna see that shit maYn! pullin that LITE WATE BABBYY!!..ha ha. Let me ask, why do you squat on the smith machine just out of curiosity. I know you had an injury, but if you continue you will see more injuries. The smith is horrible to squat on in pretty much every way possible, trust that. That is a beast of a squat thou.. and yeah who is your bro btw, curious minds wanna know! lol.. peace DD
	Testosterone Site/Elite Fitness-Dave Tate/West Side Barbell/Berardi Nutrition & Sports Performance/Steroid Laws- Rick Collins/John Defendis Intensity or Insanity articles/Save the Supersonics

09-12-2004, 09:11 PM	#105
M.J.H. Obsessed Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Delaware Posts: 3,587 Photos: 12	IM member camaro6 is his brother I think. I am not saying that he's bullsh*tting at all. I am saying that with 425 for 15+ reps, a video is a must. And 545 for 6 in deadlift? That's crazy---I have never seen anyone pull like that before. I am just curious what kind of form and technique and all that he uses.
	Stats! 23 years old, 5'11.5", 206 lbs., ~8% bodyfat 380/455/655 bench/squat/deadlift (current) 405/495/675 bench/squat/deadlift (goals) The M.J.H. Chronicles

09-13-2004, 12:40 AM	#106
Duncans Donuts Stay puffed, baby. Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: CA Posts: 2,774 Photos: 2	The bar weighs 25 on the smith, so today I did 4 plates and 25s. I squat with a smith for two reasons. #1, I have a gym at my house, and #2, I don't have a power rack. If I had a rack I would. Unfortunately the machine was bought before I knew what I was doing, and I can go to failure on the Smith, which is essential in my training philosophy. As far as deadlifts go, I pull conventional. I stopped doing them a few weeks ago (see past posts) and went to rack deadlifts because my lower back has not been doing well, and I like using the more massive amounts of weight in the stronger range of motion. I'm 20 years old, btw.
	"in the howling bleeding nights, the dogs plunge into the Volga and swim desperately to gain the other bank. The nights of Stalingrad are a terror for them. Animals flee this hell; the hardest stones cannot bear it for long; only men endure."

09-13-2004, 02:51 AM	#107
camarosuper6 Back Home In SOCAL Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: California Posts: 3,325	Im still better looking.
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09-13-2004, 02:57 AM	#108
camarosuper6 Back Home In SOCAL Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: California Posts: 3,325	Here's a question for the WestSide Gangstas.. how good is WS for hypertrophy? I know that hypertrophy is at least 50 percent diet, but with that in mind, how effective is WS for not just power, but growth.
	"TOLERANCE is the virtue of a man without convictions" G.K.Chesterton Boot Shine and Polish $15. New Uniforms: $250 New gun and holster: $450 Looking like a stud in uniform: Priceless Girl: Me and this new guy are getting kinda chummy. Me: Good chummy? Like friends forever? Girl: Ya Me: Or Chummy like, spank my ass chummy?

09-13-2004, 04:28 PM	#109
gr81 You Lack Intensity!!!! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Just below our civil disguise Posts: 6,378 Photos: 10	you will build an unbelievable foundation, no question. all that core work and ham work, everyone elses weak points will be your strong points. Of course alot of the show muscles like quads and bis are not really the focus.. I its not liek you won't groa thou, lifting all that LITE WATE!! lol
	Testosterone Site/Elite Fitness-Dave Tate/West Side Barbell/Berardi Nutrition & Sports Performance/Steroid Laws- Rick Collins/John Defendis Intensity or Insanity articles/Save the Supersonics

09-15-2004, 04:25 PM	#110
Duncans Donuts Stay puffed, baby. Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: CA Posts: 2,774 Photos: 2	Today's workout: Military press: 220 x 5 (stuck on 6th) Behind the back shrugs: 315 x 9 Barbell curl: 145 x 7 Tricep pulldowns: 137.5 x 6 (superset dips) Dips: x 3 I adjusted the rep range for some exercises that I felt were lagging and addressed this with an attempted "CNS shot in the arm". I really had 6 reps on my military press (to my surprise) but I didn't lock it out (probably an inch away from elbows locked) because I lost balance and nearly dropped the weight on my head. After two weeks of rest pause curls I improved my normal curls by 20 pounds and lost only a rep. Slow negatives on each rep, about 8 second negatives on the final one. I used straps for my behind the back shrugs and was pleasantly surprised. My range of motion was perefect to form except on my last rep, where the weight barely moved.
	"in the howling bleeding nights, the dogs plunge into the Volga and swim desperately to gain the other bank. The nights of Stalingrad are a terror for them. Animals flee this hell; the hardest stones cannot bear it for long; only men endure."

09-15-2004, 05:31 PM	#111
M.J.H. Obsessed Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Delaware Posts: 3,587 Photos: 12	Workouts are looking great bro, what kind of ROM are you using on the military presses? Taking the bar down to your chest or stopping when the bar gets to you ears? I have seen people do both, just curious. You gotta' get some videos up man, these lifts are nuts!
	Stats! 23 years old, 5'11.5", 206 lbs., ~8% bodyfat 380/455/655 bench/squat/deadlift (current) 405/495/675 bench/squat/deadlift (goals) The M.J.H. Chronicles

09-15-2004, 07:20 PM	#112
yellowmoomba YM Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 5,462 Photos: 2	Workouts look SOLID!! Where are your football training exercises??
	My Journal "You are born small and weak... you die small and weak... how you look in between is up to you."

09-15-2004, 11:07 PM	#113
Duncans Donuts Stay puffed, baby. Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: CA Posts: 2,774 Photos: 2	Monstar: I use a relatively close grip on my military press. My hands are probably 6 or 7 inches from each other. I go just below my chin. I recently changed the grip, and used to go down to my chest, but now I can't. Thanks for the encouragment Monstar . I appreciate it. I'll look into digital cameras sometime. YM: Thanks man. Unfortunately a tendon that was slightly torn in my left ankle is aggrevated, so I'm rehabing it for a few months before I can begin the rest of my football training I'm hoping it will be at 100 percent sooner, but I'm so busy with work and with improving my lifts that over-exerting myself could further damage it.
	"in the howling bleeding nights, the dogs plunge into the Volga and swim desperately to gain the other bank. The nights of Stalingrad are a terror for them. Animals flee this hell; the hardest stones cannot bear it for long; only men endure."