MonStar's Journal: Return to Westside!

DeadBolt · 09-21-2004, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MonStar

I also want to note that the 8 inches does not mean 8 inches off of my chest, it refers to the distance the bar is traveling. In case there is any confusion.

Aren't they you lower the bar 8inches from full extention, to keep focus on the tri's? B/c the lower you go the more the back and chest come into play. Or am I totaly wrong?

M.J.H. · 09-21-2004, 08:19 PM

Diana: Hmmm, that's a little tough to say to be honest. For a while I was thinking about 10% but then again it is tough to say. I mean I can see my abs completely without a problem, but I still hold some flab around my lower abs and lower back and love handles. I have never really had it accurately tested.

DeadBolt: I have never heard of anyone getting injured doing speed work, but I am not sure. I definitely think that you should give Westside a shot though, it's a really great program. Proven over and over again to be effective.

Okay, let me try and explain the lockouts a little better. First of all I pull a flat bench into the power rack, to do lockouts. I set the bar on the pins, and set the pins at the right height where I am moving the bar 8 inches to lockout. So I am not unracking the bar and coming down with it---I am pressing with the bar already in the bottom position on the pins. Make sense?

gopro: Oh okay I see. Thanks for the support bud. If it's not positive you can keep it to yourself, thanks.

DeadBolt · 09-21-2004, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MonStar

DeadBolt: I have never heard of anyone getting injured doing speed work, but I am not sure. I definitely think that you should give Westside a shot though, it's a really great program. Proven over and over again to be effective.

Okay, let me try and explain the lockouts a little better. First of all I pull a flat bench into the power rack, to do lockouts. I set the bar on the pins, and set the pins at the right height where I am moving the bar 8 inches to lockout. So I am not unracking the bar and coming down with it---I am pressing with the bar already in the bottom position on the pins. Make sense?

Gotcha

Monolith · 09-21-2004, 08:55 PM

You got me. I really thought you were gonna stick with that last journal. Guess i should know better, eh?

Saturday Fever · 09-21-2004, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DeadBolt

That sounds pretty kewl....

I know I have been doing p/rr/s for a while but one day I sure would love to try that. It sounds interesting. Do injuries occur frequently lifting in this manner, with such an explosiveness?

The weight you're lifting is so relatively light, you'd have to do something really strange to hurt yourself. Everything except the explosion to lockout is controlled. I won't say nobody ever has been hurt, but nobody I've ever talked to or read about.

**gopro** · 09-21-2004, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MonStar

[b]gopro: Oh okay I see. Thanks for the support bud. If it's not positive you can keep it to yourself, thanks.

Well my witty friend, you HAD my total support more than once already and every time you showed none in return. Like I said, this is about the 4th time that you said its time for you to run with P/RR/S, and this is the 4th time you bailed. You fell under ridiculous peer pressure the first few times, and God only knows what happened this time. I can only imagine who talked you out of it this time.

Do I care if you use my program...not really, but its your character that bothers me, so don't tell ME about being positive or negative.

Good luck.

M.J.H. · 09-21-2004, 09:42 PM

DeadBolt: Okay man, great.

Monolith: I was planning on sticking it out with the last journal, at the time. But things change, goals change, etc. Thanks for stopping by though, bro, appreciate it.

SF: Thanks for the post man, appreciate you clearing this subject up. I have never heard of anyone getting injured from speed work.

gopro: I am sorry if you felt like I insulted you by not giving your P/RR/S program a full shot---I mean I had every intention too and I decided not too. It seems that most of the feedback from your program is from newbies. No I do not want a P/RR/S discussion here in my journal. Nor did I even ask for you to post here in my journal. And I especially did not ask for to post anything negative.

And I am not sure what you're talking about in terms of peer pressure? I didn't keep up with your program because I decided not to. Not because someone else decided for me. One again since you do not care, please keep your thoughts, and posts out of my journal.

**gopro** · 09-22-2004, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MonStar

DeadBolt: Okay man, great.

gopro: I am sorry if you felt like I insulted you by not giving your P/RR/S program a full shot---I mean I had every intention too and I decided not too. It seems that most of the feedback from your program is from newbies. No I do not want a P/RR/S discussion here in my journal. Nor did I even ask for you to post here in my journal. And I especially did not ask for to post anything negative.

And I am not sure what you're talking about in terms of peer pressure? I didn't keep up with your program because I decided not to. Not because someone else decided for me. One again since you do not care, please keep your thoughts, and posts out of my journal.

Sorry, but I will post my thoughts right here in your journal, or I can start a whole thread about it if you'd prefer.

You did not insult me at all by not using my program...heck, its your loss. You had every intention to start my program when you were over at Wannabebig and when the "expert" mods over there got on your case about it, boom, you stopped. THAT is peer pressure which you fell victim to.

As far as the feedback being from newbies, that is possibly the most ridiculous thing I have heard in quite some time. P/RR/S was precisely developed for people that have been training for about half of your life. I developed it for MYSELF after reaching a plateau for about a year, after I had been training for about 12 years. P/RR/S allowed me to add another 35 lbs of muscle after all of that time. You can also go ask Tank, one of the more massive individulas on this site, and someone who has been training about 20 years what P/RR/S has done for him. Like I said, P/RR/S was developed for advanced lifters to get them and keep them growing...the fact that newbies do so well on it is b/c I tweak it for them to fit their needs better.

By the way, here is the PM you sent me last:

"Giving it a shot.

What kind of split do YOU recommend? I want to make the most of the program. So basically I am going to take your advice 100% on the program? I have been doing push/pull/legs. But if you want I'll do something like:

1- chest/triceps
2- back/biceps
3- rest
4- shoulders/traps
5- legs
6- rest

Or even something like this:

1- chest/shoulders
2- back/traps
3- rest
4- arms
5- legs
6- rest

I mean I am leaving this up to you. Thanks man."

Ok, back to your journal...again, good luck.

Riverdragon · 09-22-2004, 09:45 AM

This is fucking hilarious! I need some popcorn for this.

Not trying to takes cracks at ya Mike but I think more than anything your journals are becoming comical. Maybe you should lay off them for a while? You don't need this shit. You're in great shape and your lifting is going good so why do you feel the need for this?

M.J.H. · 09-22-2004, 10:32 AM

gopro: Start a new thread if you want, because I really would like to keep your thoughts out of my journal. I am not trying to have a P/RR/S discussion in here---or anywhere else for that matter. The WBB "experts" as you liked to call them completely ripped your program apart, and it was clear as day who had more credibility. Saturday Fever, PowerManDL, chris mason and a few others from WBB completely tore the program a part, from an exercise science/philosophy perspective. That was all the convincing that I needed to drop the program.

Once again, I do not want a P/RR/S discussion in my journal. Start a new thread somewhere else if it will make you feel better.

Riverdragon: LOL, this it getting amusing for me as well. I am not sure why gopro would bother posting in my journal at all. I am not doing his program, nor did I ask for his advice or thoughts on the matter at all. Thanks for the support though, bro, appreciate it.

M.J.H. · 09-22-2004, 10:32 AM

Wednesday; 9-22-2004

DE Squat/Deadlift

Wow, exhausting workout today. Definitely have to get back into the swing of 10 sets of speed squats, even if I am going very light. It's almost like a cardio session, especially since I am trying to move the bar as fast as possible.

Speed Box Squats
10 sets of 3 with 245

Hyperextensions
4 sets of 5 with 165

Nautilus Leg Extensions
4 sets of 12 with 260

Support Rows
2 sets of 5 with 260
2 sets of 10 with 220

Nautilus Pullovers
2 sets of 10 with 270

Speed work was pretty damn good. I have been experimenting a lot lately with my foot placement. I am not too crazy about a narrow stance or an extremely wide stance---and I am trying hard to do more a powerlifter style squat. After the speed squats I did some hyperextensions, which TOASTED my lower back, ouch. Finished my legs up with some leg extensions, not bad. For my lats I did some support rows and then some pullovers, good sets. I was exhausted.

Diet:
- cottage cheese + pineapple
- V-12 preworkout
- whey protein postworkout
- chicken salad wrap
- breaded chicken + sweet & sour sauce
- turkey & cheese sandwich
- ?

Sleep: 9 hours.

**gopro** · 09-22-2004, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Riverdragon

This is fucking hilarious! I need some popcorn for this.

Not trying to takes cracks at ya Mike but I think more than anything your journals are becoming comical. Maybe you should lay off them for a while? You don't need this shit. You're in great shape and your lifting is going good so why do you feel the need for this?

Nahhh, let him keep his journal. This is probably the 100th one he has done over the last few years, so he MUST need it. I just had to give him some
sh%t. He knows what I said is true. His best bet at this point is to not respond and then I will just stay out of here because I said my piece and proved my point. But if he responds...then in the words of big Arnold..."I'll Be Back!"

Saturday Fever · 09-22-2004, 10:36 AM

Stance doesn't define squatting like a powerlifter, so don't put too much thought into it. Find something comfortable. What you want to focus on is sitting back, not down. Keeping a solid arch in your back. Pushing out on your knees and feet. Pulling up and back with your shoulders. Pushing forward with your hips. Good session.

M.J.H. · 09-22-2004, 10:44 AM

gopro: LOL, what difference does it make to you how many journals I have had? I have made great progress over the past few years, so isn't that all that matters? I am not sure where you come off with this attitude? Maybe because you're tired of Saturday Fever (who I invited to IM) putting you in your place over and over and over again? Whatever the reason, please keep the negative attitude out of my journal. Thanks again.

SF: Okay great, sounds good. I am going to find a stance where going deep isn't at all uncomfortable. I agree that sitting back is definitely challenging for me, I guess because I am so used to just coming straight down with the weight. I'll have to take some more squatting videos and show them to you. That seems like the only way to really correct my squatting form.

**gopro** · 09-22-2004, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MonStar

gopro: LOL, what difference does it make to you how many journals I have had? I have made great progress over the past few years, so isn't that all that matters? I am not sure where you come off with this attitude? Maybe because you're tired of Saturday Fever (who I invited to IM) putting you in your place over and over and over again? Whatever the reason, please keep the negative attitude out of my journal. Thanks again.

There's your first mistake...you couldn't leave well enough alone and now I am one tick away from removing your azz. My point is not how many journals you have had...I could care less if you have 1000! My point is that you, for the 4th or maybe 5th time said you were going to use P/RR/S (once even starting a journal about it at WWB, but you just couldn't handle the mods picking on you for it)...and NOW you even PM me about it and ask me advice and then boom...once again, not doing it. Who talked you out of it this time? SNF?

Again, I really could care less IF you use my program as it is YOUR loss if muscle growth is what you are after. What set me off was this last time that you even PMed me about it, but once again, whimped out. I'm 100% sure that someone once again talked you out of it...another "expert."

And as far as SNF putting me in my place

...well, I'm still waiting for that to happen. Trust me, it never will.

Anyway, just keep posting about your workouts until you start your next journal. Do not respond to this and just keep doing what you are doing. Then, you will keep my "negativity" out of your journal. K?

Saturday Fever · 09-22-2004, 12:31 PM

1. No, I didn't and don't try to talk anyone out of anything.
2. Don't drop my name in arguments. If I have something to say, I'll say it, and I'd ask that you guys respect that.

Sapphire · 09-22-2004, 12:31 PM

Hey Mike...

I am wondering if you will also post your diet (trying to change the subject now)

You are right about ME being a newbie, so to speak, I only started training seriously 2 years ago, when I met and hired GP. His program works for me, so I only have good things to say about it.

I had been lifting for over 5 years with very little success. I only noticed improvements since P/RR/S. I know I am not very impressive, but for me, it's a BIG improvement!!

BUT in any case.... I hope whatever program you use, you are a huge success!!

Cyndi

ncgirl21 · 09-22-2004, 12:44 PM

And these are the days or our lives..................................

Anyways, just popping in to say hey!!

Looking good! What's V-12?

**gopro** · 09-22-2004, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Saturday Fever

1. No, I didn't and don't try to talk anyone out of anything.
2. Don't drop my name in arguments. If I have something to say, I'll say it, and I'd ask that you guys respect that.

Sorry to have involved you so unscrupulousy in this major scandal SNF. I did not mean to impose on your celebrity. You hold so much power and wisdom that adding your name just lent more excitement to this whirlwind. I am glad to hear that you did not try and talk Mon out of P/RR/S, and will continually wonder who did??? For the 4th time...a mystery that MUST be solved!

Nahhh, not really...ok, back to the journal...

chris mason · 09-22-2004, 01:11 PM

I can virtually guarantee no one talked him out of anything. Mike has ALWAYS felt compelled to switch routines AFTER asking for help with a million PMs.

He realizes this and is always polite about it (nearly). He knows it is a weakness or flaw he has, but it is very hard for him to overcome in my opinion.

I think with Mike you have to discern between action and intent. I think Mike has great intentions but cannot always follow-through with action. To me the intent is more important than the action in MOST cases.

All of that said, you really can't argue with the results. He is weighing a very hard 230 lbs and his strength is excellent. Whatever he has done has most assuredly worked for him.

I like Mike and think he is a good guy who will just drive you nuts from time to time.

**gopro** · 09-22-2004, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by chris mason

I can virtually guarantee no one talked him out of anything. Mike has ALWAYS felt compelled to switch routines AFTER asking for help with a million PMs.

He realizes this and is always polite about it (nearly). He knows it is a weakness or flaw he has, but it is very hard for him to overcome in my opinion.

I think with Mike you have to discern between action and intent. I think Mike has great intentions but cannot always follow-through with action. To me the intent is more important than the action in MOST cases.

All of that said, you really can't argue with the results. He is weighing a very hard 230 lbs and his strength is excellent. Whatever he has done has most assuredly worked for him.

I like Mike and think he is a good guy who will just drive you nuts from time to time.

Well, I actually don't want to take up too much more space in his journal with this stuff, but he actually admitted to me that the pressure from certain individuals over at WBB stopped him from using P/RR/S the first couple of times. I can post the PM, but I won't.

As far as his results go, I think they are excellent and I wish him the best of luck in achieving more, no matter what program he uses. This latest incident just finally got under my skin as I purposely came into the journal section to see how he was doing with my program and then found that he went to Westside. Had he not gone through the effort to PM me and ask for my help I probably wouldn't have cared.

Anyway, enough has been said and hopefully he will just go on with what he is doing.

chris mason · 09-22-2004, 03:34 PM

He hasn't been on wbb for at least a year now???

Monolith · 09-22-2004, 03:37 PM

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09-21-2004, 08:19 PM	#32
M.J.H. Obsessed Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Delaware Posts: 3,587 Photos: 12	Diana: Hmmm, that's a little tough to say to be honest. For a while I was thinking about 10% but then again it is tough to say. I mean I can see my abs completely without a problem, but I still hold some flab around my lower abs and lower back and love handles. I have never really had it accurately tested. DeadBolt: I have never heard of anyone getting injured doing speed work, but I am not sure. I definitely think that you should give Westside a shot though, it's a really great program. Proven over and over again to be effective. Okay, let me try and explain the lockouts a little better. First of all I pull a flat bench into the power rack, to do lockouts. I set the bar on the pins, and set the pins at the right height where I am moving the bar 8 inches to lockout. So I am not unracking the bar and coming down with it---I am pressing with the bar already in the bottom position on the pins. Make sense? gopro: Oh okay I see. Thanks for the support bud. If it's not positive you can keep it to yourself, thanks.
	Stats! 23 years old, 5'11.5", 206 lbs., ~8% bodyfat 380/455/655 bench/squat/deadlift (current) 405/495/675 bench/squat/deadlift (goals) The M.J.H. Chronicles

09-21-2004, 08:55 PM	#34
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	You got me. I really thought you were gonna stick with that last journal. Guess i should know better, eh?
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09-21-2004, 09:42 PM	#37
M.J.H. Obsessed Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Delaware Posts: 3,587 Photos: 12	DeadBolt: Okay man, great. Monolith: I was planning on sticking it out with the last journal, at the time. But things change, goals change, etc. Thanks for stopping by though, bro, appreciate it. SF: Thanks for the post man, appreciate you clearing this subject up. I have never heard of anyone getting injured from speed work. gopro: I am sorry if you felt like I insulted you by not giving your P/RR/S program a full shot---I mean I had every intention too and I decided not too. It seems that most of the feedback from your program is from newbies. No I do not want a P/RR/S discussion here in my journal. Nor did I even ask for you to post here in my journal. And I especially did not ask for to post anything negative. And I am not sure what you're talking about in terms of peer pressure? I didn't keep up with your program because I decided not to. Not because someone else decided for me. One again since you do not care, please keep your thoughts, and posts out of my journal.
	Stats! 23 years old, 5'11.5", 206 lbs., ~8% bodyfat 380/455/655 bench/squat/deadlift (current) 405/495/675 bench/squat/deadlift (goals) The M.J.H. Chronicles

09-22-2004, 09:45 AM	#39
Riverdragon Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: It's hot here Posts: 148	This is fucking hilarious! I need some popcorn for this. Not trying to takes cracks at ya Mike but I think more than anything your journals are becoming comical. Maybe you should lay off them for a while? You don't need this shit. You're in great shape and your lifting is going good so why do you feel the need for this? Last edited by Riverdragon : 09-22-2004 at 10:05 AM.
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09-22-2004, 10:32 AM	#40
M.J.H. Obsessed Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Delaware Posts: 3,587 Photos: 12	gopro: Start a new thread if you want, because I really would like to keep your thoughts out of my journal. I am not trying to have a P/RR/S discussion in here---or anywhere else for that matter. The WBB "experts" as you liked to call them completely ripped your program apart, and it was clear as day who had more credibility. Saturday Fever, PowerManDL, chris mason and a few others from WBB completely tore the program a part, from an exercise science/philosophy perspective. That was all the convincing that I needed to drop the program. Once again, I do not want a P/RR/S discussion in my journal. Start a new thread somewhere else if it will make you feel better. Riverdragon: LOL, this it getting amusing for me as well. I am not sure why gopro would bother posting in my journal at all. I am not doing his program, nor did I ask for his advice or thoughts on the matter at all. Thanks for the support though, bro, appreciate it.
	Stats! 23 years old, 5'11.5", 206 lbs., ~8% bodyfat 380/455/655 bench/squat/deadlift (current) 405/495/675 bench/squat/deadlift (goals) The M.J.H. Chronicles

09-22-2004, 10:36 AM	#43
Saturday Fever Pimp Gimp Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: California Posts: 2,142 Photos: 4	Stance doesn't define squatting like a powerlifter, so don't put too much thought into it. Find something comfortable. What you want to focus on is sitting back, not down. Keeping a solid arch in your back. Pushing out on your knees and feet. Pulling up and back with your shoulders. Pushing forward with your hips. Good session.
	yay.

09-22-2004, 10:44 AM	#44
M.J.H. Obsessed Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Delaware Posts: 3,587 Photos: 12	gopro: LOL, what difference does it make to you how many journals I have had? I have made great progress over the past few years, so isn't that all that matters? I am not sure where you come off with this attitude? Maybe because you're tired of Saturday Fever (who I invited to IM) putting you in your place over and over and over again? Whatever the reason, please keep the negative attitude out of my journal. Thanks again. SF: Okay great, sounds good. I am going to find a stance where going deep isn't at all uncomfortable. I agree that sitting back is definitely challenging for me, I guess because I am so used to just coming straight down with the weight. I'll have to take some more squatting videos and show them to you. That seems like the only way to really correct my squatting form.
	Stats! 23 years old, 5'11.5", 206 lbs., ~8% bodyfat 380/455/655 bench/squat/deadlift (current) 405/495/675 bench/squat/deadlift (goals) The M.J.H. Chronicles

09-22-2004, 12:31 PM	#46
Saturday Fever Pimp Gimp Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: California Posts: 2,142 Photos: 4	1. No, I didn't and don't try to talk anyone out of anything. 2. Don't drop my name in arguments. If I have something to say, I'll say it, and I'd ask that you guys respect that.
	yay.

09-22-2004, 12:31 PM	#47
Sapphire P/RR/S groupie Join Date: May 2003 Location: anywhere my love Chris is... Posts: 4,449 Photos: 4	Hey Mike... I am wondering if you will also post your diet (trying to change the subject now) You are right about ME being a newbie, so to speak, I only started training seriously 2 years ago, when I met and hired GP. His program works for me, so I only have good things to say about it. I had been lifting for over 5 years with very little success. I only noticed improvements since P/RR/S. I know I am not very impressive, but for me, it's a BIG improvement!! BUT in any case.... I hope whatever program you use, you are a huge success!! Cyndi
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09-22-2004, 01:11 PM	#50
chris mason Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 415	I can virtually guarantee no one talked him out of anything. Mike has ALWAYS felt compelled to switch routines AFTER asking for help with a million PMs. He realizes this and is always polite about it (nearly). He knows it is a weakness or flaw he has, but it is very hard for him to overcome in my opinion. I think with Mike you have to discern between action and intent. I think Mike has great intentions but cannot always follow-through with action. To me the intent is more important than the action in MOST cases. All of that said, you really can't argue with the results. He is weighing a very hard 230 lbs and his strength is excellent. Whatever he has done has most assuredly worked for him. I like Mike and think he is a good guy who will just drive you nuts from time to time.

09-22-2004, 03:34 PM	#52
chris mason Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 415	He hasn't been on wbb for at least a year now???

09-22-2004, 03:37 PM	#53
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